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 Melissia wrote:
Actually, Orks were insinuated to be the first species that humans ran in to upon leaving the solar system . And it's also insinuated that when we finally get the tech to leave the galaxy, Orks will be there wherever we go afterwards.

There will always be Orks, and there will always be war. They have already won.

There's no real evidence that Orks exist in other galaxies. Rather, they appear to be all over the galaxy no matter where humanity goes. Big difference.

 Harriticus wrote:
There's no real evidence that Orks exist in other galaxies.

The Imperium and humanity in general sent probes out beyond the galaxy. Everywhere the probes went, they still received Ork transmissions from where they were going.

Interestingly, to whoever said that Orks should never have survived natural selection, they didn't.

The Orks as we know them were created by the Old Ones (we think - the Orks just call them the Brain Boyz) out of an extinct race known as the Krork. We don't know why the Krork died out. Maybe they just didn't have the psychic thing down that lets the Orks form Waaghs and use teknology, but the Brain Boyz fixed that.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Interestingly, to whoever said that Orks should never have survived natural selection, they didn't.

The Orks as we know them were created by the Old Ones (we think - the Orks just call them the Brain Boyz) out of an extinct race known as the Krork. We don't know why the Krork died out. Maybe they just didn't have the psychic thing down that lets the Orks form Waaghs and use teknology, but the Brain Boyz fixed that.

Who said krork was extinct? As far as we know krork is just older dialect of orks.

Orks prefer to kill each other over other races and they are the most dominant race in the galaxy if that doesn't prove orks truly are the best then I don't know what will.

Well, the old Ork codices, although they were reprinting things that were originally in White Dwarf, actually.

 illuknisaa wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Interestingly, to whoever said that Orks should never have survived natural selection, they didn't.

The Orks as we know them were created by the Old Ones (we think - the Orks just call them the Brain Boyz) out of an extinct race known as the Krork. We don't know why the Krork died out. Maybe they just didn't have the psychic thing down that lets the Orks form Waaghs and use teknology, but the Brain Boyz fixed that.

Who said krork was extinct? As far as we know krork is just older dialect of orks.

Orks prefer to kill each other over other races and they are the most dominant race in the galaxy if that doesn't prove orks truly are the best then I don't know what will.

Well, it helps that killing each other is their form of reproduction.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, the old Ork codices, although they were reprinting things that were originally in White Dwarf, actually.

The current Codex is an exact copy of Waaagh! Orks. Same stories, snippets and quotes. Only changes have been new units/rules and points values.

In other words: The Ork story has never changed. The Orks "in game" have changed.

And then theres Mork n' Gork. Beings who made the Emperor piss himself.

This is coming from Tau players.

Tau.

A race that is completely and entirely useless. Tau do not have *any* purpose. Tau do not have *any* saying in the galaxy and its development. Every other race laughs at their useless blue faces.

They are simply jealous. That's why.

Orks perfectly fit to 40k. They personify chaos - not Chaos, chaos. They are the second-mightiest race in the entire universe if they would combine their strength, but due to them being so disorganized, they cannot reach that goal.

 Melissia wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
There's no real evidence that Orks exist in other galaxies.

The Imperium and humanity in general sent probes out beyond the galaxy. Everywhere the probes went, they still received Ork transmissions from where they were going.

No, it was in the Galaxy. I remember that same quote.

Nothing has ever left the Galaxy. The distance between galaxies is incalculably vast and it has taken the Tyranids Millennium to traverse it.

 Harriticus wrote:


Nothing has ever left the Galaxy. The distance between galaxies is incalculably vast and it has taken the Tyranids Millennium to traverse it.

I think hat's incorrect, actually, as the C'tan were created at the same time the universe was, thus making then the only corporeal creature that has yet travelled the universe.

Ideally its like everyone has stated thus far; be they super-toasters, umies, spesh mehreens, spoiky mehreens, twiggy 'fings, anything and everything, the orks have fought it and in many cases, smashed the crap out of it...

everyone keeps using rynns world as and example and a perfect example it is... in fact, most books have civilized races on the brink of extinction because of continuous war from orks... the best part is, many people never get tired of reading about a new warboss or big mek despite them all being fundamentally the same character...

it is these many reasons why I cannot wait for the new ork dex to hit. I want more " so crazy, it just might work brutality" and unicycle-riding orks powered by squig juice firing guns that use fingernails as ammunition, resulting in a new form of atomic energy so powerful it will make the chaos gods crap themselves... you cant beat that no matter how many guns your storm raven can fire... not on table top and certainly not in fluff...

Second mightiest race? The only thing that keeps Orks from stomping everyone else is bad animosity rolls. Even if theoretically the Horus Heresy had never happened, the Emperor was still alive, and humanity had undergone 10,000 years of technological advancement and prosperity the Orks would probably still be the biggest threat if they could theoretically unify.


Honestly though, why would they? As it stands they have a lot of diversity in who they get to fight with. If Orks had philosophers I'd think they keep other races alive intentionally for having multiple choices for opponents.

 Amaya wrote:
Second mightiest race? The only thing that keeps Orks from stomping everyone else is bad animosity rolls. Even if theoretically the Horus Heresy had never happened, the Emperor was still alive, and humanity had undergone 10,000 years of technological advancement and prosperity the Orks would probably still be the biggest threat if they could theoretically unify.

Well, I can agree to that, they could easily overthrow most planets / systems. Their downfall is not being able to hold against gods, let alone C'tan. Though their biggest threat would be some kind of bio-weapon that specifically targeted their shrooms...wouldn't that make them unable to reproduce anymore?

The only thing keeping Orks from killing everyone is because that'd be boring for the Orks.

Are Orks silly? Yes. Which is why I enjoy playing against them.
There is nothing funnier than watching my opponent systematically take out half his army with a single Big Mek armed with a Shokk Attack Gun. The scatter dice hated him that game but man did we have fun. Too silly for 40K? Please. In the grimdark future there is only war. And lolz.

 Melissia wrote:
The only thing keeping Orks from killing everyone is because that'd be boring for the Orks.

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I just said that only better...

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Backfire wrote:
There is a point though: if 40k had been as serious/grimdark from the beginning as it is now, ....

There lies the bigger problem, I think: This perception that 40K is a 'serious' setting.

'Grimdark' doesn't make it serious. Quite the opposite. It's like all those end of the world movies, like Armageddon or The Core, which are entertaining in no small part because of just how over the top and ridiculous they are.

40K is not a serious setting. It's not as blatantly silly as it was in RT or 2nd edition, but the silliness now is just in how over the top everything is rather than in deliberately amusing writing. It's a caricature of war, and human nature.

So yes, Orks are silly. Too silly, in a game that takes tropes taken from every dim and dark corner of scifi, fantasy and action cinema, pumps them full of steroids and spits them out onto the tabletop?

Not even remotely.

Lets counter with the Farsight story,.. since orks are nothing to worry about commander farsight didnt decide to dedicate his life to eradicate this threat that nearly overran a large part of the Tau Empire...

Nah, Orks are nothing....

 kronk wrote:
Anyone that thinks orks are silly should read Rynn's World and Helsreach to get a proper education.

Or read about Armagaddon,.. Lol, entire regiments of Imperial Guards lost,.. largest part of the planet got stomped,..twice,.. Space Marine chapters lost whole companies,... IMO easily the most incredible feat by Orks.. (as far as i have read fluff)

And yes, Rynns world was impressive as well,.. though less of an impact on the Imperium then Armageddon.. But yeah, almost whiping out the Crimson fist is an impressive feat.

 WarlordRob117 wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Want a good example of the seriousness of orks?

Space Marine pretty much puts them both in a slightly numerous light, but then you see the destruction, then you begin listening to the audio of everyone being butchered for fun, all the depressing stories, and then you realize that from the Orks prospective, it's all good fun.

From everyone else? It's pretty up.

oh you mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvf0MMgYpg4

Was more meaning the Audio Logs that you pickup from the civilians. To us those guys are still hilarous.

40k without Orks is like an Oreo without the filling.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Amaya wrote:
Second mightiest race? The only thing that keeps Orks from stomping everyone else is bad animosity rolls. Even if theoretically the Horus Heresy had never happened, the Emperor was still alive, and humanity had undergone 10,000 years of technological advancement and prosperity the Orks would probably still be the biggest threat if they could theoretically unify.

Well, I can agree to that, they could easily overthrow most planets / systems. Their downfall is not being able to hold against gods, let alone C'tan. Though their biggest threat would be some kind of bio-weapon that specifically targeted their shrooms...wouldn't that make them unable to reproduce anymore?

Theres no way to produce a compound like in the quantities you'd need to exterminate all orcs.

And not holding against gods? What gives you this idea? They draw psychic power without even needing to interect with warp in any meaningful method, The combined psychic power of a full blown waagh is like that of a gods.

Yes, they are.

In the wider picture, they aren't. There is no limit to the silliness that is rampant in 40k at the best of times.

Orks are only silly when looked at superficially.

 Melissia wrote:
Orks are only silly when looked at superficially.

No, they're pretty silly when you start digging down as well.

The issue is simply whether or not that's actually a problem.

 Harriticus wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
There's no real evidence that Orks exist in other galaxies.

The Imperium and humanity in general sent probes out beyond the galaxy. Everywhere the probes went, they still received Ork transmissions from where they were going.

No, it was in the Galaxy. I remember that same quote.

Nothing has ever left the Galaxy. The distance between galaxies is incalculably vast and it has taken the Tyranids Millennium to traverse it.

You do know that there is another galaxy currently *inside* the Milky Way galaxy, right? There are other galaxies that are only 10-25 thousand light-years away from the Milky Way. The inter-galactic distances are really not that large.

I'd say that in a universe that features armies made up of the following:

Humans employing tactics of warfare dating as far as those developed by the end of WWII
Giant cyber-Jesuses (Jesi?)
Giant cyber-Antichrists
Daemons with boobies
Magic Ninja Elves
Sado-Masochist Magic Ninja Elves
Anime fish-cow aliens
A species of bugs ripping off every single alien bug species in sci-fi ever
Secret police who wear big shiny armour decorated with the easily recognisable symbol of the secret police
Nuns with guns

Then war-crazy humanoid fungi doesn't sound too silly.

You missed out the emo space vampires with their bloodfists, bloodtalons, bloodswords, and bloody blood missiles of blood, and the space-Viking wolfmen who ride around on giant wolves that are actually other space-Viking wolfmen...

They're psychic ninja space elves, get it right.

And dont forget "dancing, psychic,murderous,elf clowns..from outer space"