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About time. This gestapo shtick has gone too far.

http://news.yahoo.com/24-old-breaks-down-ny-stop-frisk-trial-180210723.html



NEW YORK (AP) — A 24-year-old nonprofit worker wept on the witness stand Tuesday as he described an unnerving episode of being handcuffed near his home while an officer took his keys and went inside his building.

Nicholas Pert, who is black, is one of about a dozen New Yorkers expected to tell their stories of being stopped, questioned and frisked by police in a federal trial challenging how police use the tactic. About 5 million stops have been made during the past decade, mostly of black and Hispanic men.

The lawsuit challenges the constitutionality of some of the stops, with lawyers arguing the policy unfairly targets minorities.

City attorneys said officers operate within the law and do not target people solely because of their race. Police go where the crime is — and crime is overwhelmingly in minority neighborhoods, city lawyers said.

Pert's mother died of cancer, and he is the guardian for his three siblings, two small boys and his disabled 20-year-old sister. The stocky community college graduate testified that he was stopped four times, starting on his 18th birthday.

But it was a stop in 2011 that reduced him to tears.

He testified that he was walking to the corner store at about 11 p.m. to get milk when officers stopped him, handcuffed him and put him in the back of a squad car. One officer took Pert's keys, he said, and went into his building. Pert said he was concerned because he didn't know how his siblings would react if the officer knocked on the door.

"I was afraid he would go into my apartment, and I wasn't there to take care of the situation," he said.

Eventually the officer returned and he was freed.

Pert said, pausing to collect himself, that he felt criminalized by the episode.

"To be treated like that, by someone who works for New York City, I felt degraded and helpless," he said.

City lawyers sought to discredit witnesses by suggesting their stories had evolved to become more dramatic and their memories were faulty.

Pert testified that he filed one complaint against the police where he lied and said he had been physically injured. He also said one of the stops happened in May 2011, instead of April 2011, had trouble recalling the race and descriptions of officers who stopped him, sometimes contradicting himself, and published angry Facebook posts insulting the police department.

Lawyers for the Center for Constitutional Rights, which filed the class-action suit, are trying to show a pattern of racist and inappropriate behavior by the police.

Stop and frisk is legal, but the lawyers who sued say it must be reformed. They are asking for a court-appointed monitor to oversee any changes ordered by the judge.

About half the people who are stopped are subject only to questioning. Others have their bag or backpack searched. And sometimes police conduct a full pat-down. Only about 10 percent of all stops result in arrest, and a weapon is recovered a small fraction of the time.

A police whistleblower, Adhyl Polanco, testified that his superiors only cared about arrests, summonses and stops. He said they told him he needed 20 summonses, five street stops and one arrest per month — or he'd face poor evaluations, shift changes and no overtime.

"They can make your life very miserable," he said.

Polanco was suspended with pay for years after internal affairs officers brought charges of filing false arrest paperwork; he says the charges came because he detailed a list of complaints to internal affairs.

The mayor and police commissioner say stop and frisk is a life-saving, crime-stopping tool that has helped drive crime down to record lows. Officers have more than 23 million contacts with the public, make 4 million radio runs and issue more than 500,000 summonses every year. Comparatively, 600,000 stops annually are not unreasonable, city lawyers said.

U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin, who has already said in earlier rulings that she is deeply concerned about the tactic, has the power to order reforms to how it is used, which could bring major changes to the nation's largest police force and other departments.

City lawyers said the department already has many checks and balances, including an independent watchdog group that was recently given authority to prosecute some excessive force complaints against police. The police commissioner still has the final say on whether officers are disciplined.

In Albany on Tuesday, state Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver said restrictions on stop-and-frisk were among the few remaining issues in closed-door negotiations over the state budget.

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Associated Press Writer Larry Neumeister and Michael Gormley in Albany, N.Y. contributed to this report.

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I gotta admit, I'm unclear on how that messed-up tactic isn't in violation of your bill of rights.
   
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Good deal. How this lasted as long as it has is a mystery to me.

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Probably work

 azazel the cat wrote:
I gotta admit, I'm unclear on how that messed-up tactic isn't in violation of your bill of rights.


Don't feel too bad about that. We don't understand it either.

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 azazel the cat wrote:
I gotta admit, I'm unclear on how that messed-up tactic isn't in violation of your bill of rights.


I believe the point of the trial is that it /is/ my Canadian friend.

Can the NYPD do ANYTHING without procedural violation of constitutional or human rights?

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Allow me to re-phrase:

How did it take this long to get challenged in court?
   
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 azazel the cat wrote:
Allow me to re-phrase:

How did it take this long to get challenged in court?

Welcome to the American Judicial System... they're as slow as molasses.

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Probably work

Wikipedia is vague, but it looks like it was happening as early as 2011.

Perhaps earlier, as 2011 is simply the oldest reference in the article.

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 daedalus wrote:
Wikipedia is vague, but it looks like it was happening as early as 2011.


No, way earlier. I don't know the exact date but I think it's been at least 7 or 8 years, maybe a decade even.

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Probably work

That's unsurprising, though kind of appalling. I was just sourcing the earliest date that was actually listed in the wiki page, which is rather recent by comparison.

Edited my above comment for further clarity.

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Well, I have no idea when it did start either - it's suprisingly hard to pin down. I found one article saying there were questions about it in 1999 (!).

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The article did state 5 million in the last decade.

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Update to this.

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NYPD Commanding Officer Caught On Tape Ordering Cops To Stop And Frisk Young "Male Blacks"

An outrageous (but perhaps unsurprising) audio recording was played for jurors in the big federal lawsuit against the NYPD's controversial stop-and-frisk policy yesterday. The recording, made secretly last month by Officer Pedro Serrano in the 40th Precinct station house in the South Bronx, documents his heated argument with commanding officer Deputy Inspector Christopher McCormack, who blasted Serrano for refusing to meet stop-and-frisk quotas.

During the exchange, Inspector McCormack criticizes Serrano for making so few stops, arguing that the officer had a duty to stop violent crime by stopping and frisking “the right people at the right time, the right location.” When pressed to explain what he meant by "the right people," McCormack insisted that Serrano and other officers needed to stop people who were causing "the most problems." Pressed further, McCormack is heard on tape saying, "The problem was, what, male blacks. And I told you at roll call, and I have no problem telling you this, male blacks 14 to 20, 21."

According to attorneys for the Center for Constitutional Law, which is arguing the case on behalf of four people who say they were stopped and frisked because of their race, NYPD commanders routinely use the phrase "the right people" as code for blacks and Hispanics. 531,000 people were stopped as part of the program last year, more than five times the number when Bloomberg took office. Fifty-one percent of those stopped were black, 32 percent Hispanic and 11 percent white.

The Times reports that Serrano, who is Hispanic, testified yesterday that stopping and frisking minorities for no reason was "not a good feeling," and that he made the secret recording because what “they’re asking me to do something that’s illegal, I believe, and I was worried." He also said that he told some teens whom he'd been ordered to issue a bogus summons, "they should take my name down and if they sue, they could use me as a witness.”

Inspector McCormack is inspected to testify next week. In a later part of the recording, which was not played for the jury, the Times reports that McCormack accused Serrano of trying to put words in his mouth, saying, "He’s adding on that I wanted him to stop every black and Hispanic." For more on all this, the Daily News has a giant photo of the type of audio recorder Serrano used.



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Ouze wrote:Update to this.
For more on all this, the Daily News has a giant photo of the type of audio recorder Serrano used.


That's some fine journalism there, Daily News.

EDIT: Next let's see some clipart of a stick figure policeman, and we'll blow this whole thing wide open.

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Well to be truthful, New York was hardly the bastion for civil rights in the first place.

The fact that this has lasted for years though worries me a great deal.

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Racial minorities are the target of this kind of behaviour (same in the UK). That undoubtedly has some bearing on the length of time it has been carrying on.

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 azazel the cat wrote:
I gotta admit, I'm unclear on how that messed-up tactic isn't in violation of your bill of rights.


2nd amendment protects all the others. What can anybody do about it?

This type of tyrannical behavior only happens in states that permit it. In TX, cops know better.

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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
In TX, cops know better.


Sure they do

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 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
I gotta admit, I'm unclear on how that messed-up tactic isn't in violation of your bill of rights.


2nd amendment protects all the others. What can anybody do about it?

This type of tyrannical behavior only happens in states that permit it. In TX, cops know better.


I wouldn't say that, not hardly. We have our own history here.

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