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i was wondering what happened to the remaining loyalist of the world eaters, death guard and emperors children?
i know most of them were killed by horus on istavaan 3(?) but surely some made it out?
is there any history or record of the survivors?

[Spoiler alerts possible for 'Flight of the Eisenstien', 'Galaxy in Flames', and the 'Garro' audiobooks - You have been warned]

Nearly all the loyal Death Guard were slaughtered on Isstvan 3 by the traitor DG. We know that, unlike a lot of the loyalist Sons of Horus, World Eaters, and Emperor's Children, most of the loyal Death Guard couldn't reach cover in time when the Life Eater struck, and another chunk of those who did either brought the virus into sealed bunkers with infected survivors or weren't actually in a sealed environment.

That made it far easier for the traitor Death Guard, along with the Dies Irae, to find and crush remaining pockets of resistance. As far as we know, Garro and those loyal Death Guard still aboard the Eisenstien were the only survivors of the loyal Death Guard.

Most of the Emperor's Children would've likely been killed when Lucius betrayed them and their numbers were thin enough for the eventual exterminatus to kill them all. We certainly know that Saul and the remnants of those he commanded faced down the exterminatus in the open, so survivors from his command are unlikely.

The World Eaters weren't really mentioned much, but it can be assumed that, like the Emperor's Children and the Sons of Horus, they perished in the exterminatus that proceeded the ground invasion by Angron and the other traitor legions. We know that a large number were personally slaughtered by Angron in the ground invasion, though. We do know that one World Eaters vessel (the Daggerline) managed to flee the system like the Eisenstien after being commandeered by Macer Varren. The ship contained a few loyalist Emperor's Children, too.

Combining all the knowledge we know, currently it looks as if those few loyalists that survived in any way were aboard the two ships that we know managed to flee the Isstvan system.

The survivors mostly formed the Deathwatch. Some few was to become Grey Knights and Inquisitors.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The survivors mostly formed the Deathwatch. Some few was to become Grey Knights and Inquisitors.

Incorrect.
The Deathwatch was formed after the Heresy.
They may have become founding members of the Inquisition or at least helped found it.
Fairly sure none became Grey Knights, though they may have helped form them...

Most were exterminated by the traitors. I doubt survivors were treated well due to their connection to the traitors. Fear of infiltration and such.

thanks avatar, that was helpful.

 purplefood wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The survivors mostly formed the Deathwatch. Some few was to become Grey Knights and Inquisitors.

Incorrect.
The Deathwatch was formed after the Heresy.
They may have become founding members of the Inquisition or at least helped found it.
Fairly sure none became Grey Knights, though they may have helped form them...

Pretty much this, most of it is found in the Garro Audio dramas.

Personally, I think a more intriguing question is: how did the other Legions, such as the Night Lords, Iron Warriors or Alpha Legion, in particular purge loyalists from their ranks?

 Just Dave wrote:
Personally, I think a more intriguing question is: how did the other Legions, such as the Night Lords, Iron Warriors or Alpha Legion, in particular purge loyalists from their ranks?

The Alpha Legion are all loyalist bro, don'cha know?

 Avatar 720 wrote:
As far as we know, Garro and those loyal Death Guard still aboard the Eisenstien were the only survivors of the loyal Death Guard.
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Forge World's Horus Heresy book has several quotes from Crysos Morturg - a Blackshield formerly of the Death Guard and survivor of Isstvan III.

There are also surviving iron warriors in other books

 purplefood wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The survivors mostly formed the Deathwatch. Some few was to become Grey Knights and Inquisitors.

Incorrect.
The Deathwatch was formed after the Heresy.
They may have become founding members of the Inquisition or at least helped found it.
Fairly sure none became Grey Knights, though they may have helped form them...

My god, I was assuming the OP meant after the Heresy, but I'm not surprised that you rebutt things I say. You have managed to even take up a stand for the Imperial Fists being anything but boring and pragmatic fighters and not recruiting from Terra.
And in another discussion you provided a defense for the IOM being stupid evil in regards to ships landing on planets and their plasma reactors wrecking the surface of the planet.

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The survivors mostly formed the Deathwatch. Some few was to become Grey Knights and Inquisitors.

Incorrect.
The Deathwatch was formed after the Heresy.
They may have become founding members of the Inquisition or at least helped found it.
Fairly sure none became Grey Knights, though they may have helped form them...

My god, I was assuming the OP meant after the Heresy, but I'm not surprised that you rebutt things I say. You have managed to even take up a stand for the Imperial Fists being anything but boring and pragmatic fighters and not recruiting from Terra.
And in another discussion you provided a defense for the IOM being stupid evil in regards to ships landing on planets and their plasma reactors wrecking the surface of the planet.

But he's right. They didnt form the Deathwatch: that was created long after the Heresy, whereas IIRC its been clarified that they do found the Grey Knights (although aren't Grey Knights themselves).

In my experience, when Purps does chip into a discussion he's succinct and correct (as much as I hate to say it ).

i also wonder if any of the surviving forces would maintain their original armor markings and heraldry?
it would seem like waving a big shoot me flag around but if you felt you were loyal would you want to hide?

Well in those instances he was not correct Just Dave, as the Imperial Fists are the poster boys of cold, boring tactics. In general if you should write about them. Make them as unflashy and dull as possible. Unsmiling hardliner shall bring up the Imperial Fists and their descending chapters.

And the Deathwatch I was certain came mainly from the loyalist traitors or the Death Guard, but I can be in error as I haven't really studied any other chapter in depth other than the Imperial Fists.

There was one short story in one of the HH anthologies about a group a loyalist Iron Warriors holding a fortress against their traitor brothers. I forget what it's called or which one it was in, but it was a great read.

Think they might expand what happened to the loyalists in istvaan III, they did mention ancient rylanor going down into the citadel depths to guard/uncover something, they might take the story from there.

SerQuintus wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
As far as we know, Garro and those loyal Death Guard still aboard the Eisenstien were the only survivors of the loyal Death Guard.
.

Forge World's Horus Heresy book has several quotes from Crysos Morturg - a Blackshield formerly of the Death Guard and survivor of Isstvan III.

Since I am wholly unwilling to pay £70 for a book, even one like that, I missed that little piece of information, and I didn't see it mentioned when I went out and did a bit of skim research. Thanks for the info, though.

 Just Dave wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The survivors mostly formed the Deathwatch. Some few was to become Grey Knights and Inquisitors.

Incorrect.
The Deathwatch was formed after the Heresy.
They may have become founding members of the Inquisition or at least helped found it.
Fairly sure none became Grey Knights, though they may have helped form them...

My god, I was assuming the OP meant after the Heresy, but I'm not surprised that you rebutt things I say. You have managed to even take up a stand for the Imperial Fists being anything but boring and pragmatic fighters and not recruiting from Terra.
And in another discussion you provided a defense for the IOM being stupid evil in regards to ships landing on planets and their plasma reactors wrecking the surface of the planet.

But he's right. They didnt form the Deathwatch: that was created long after the Heresy, whereas IIRC its been clarified that they do found the Grey Knights (although aren't Grey Knights themselves).

In my experience, when Purps does chip into a discussion he's succinct and correct (as much as I hate to say it ).

Wait how can you be a founder of deathwatch but not a member? Doesn't having a hand in forming/founding a group make you one of it's first members?

Not even slightly.

David Cameron just founded a media watchdog, but that doesn't make him a member of it. He's the PM. There's no denying that he made it happen, but saying that automatically makes him a leader or auctor of that organisation would be false.

Spoilers from the Garro audiobooks:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Most of the Emperor's Children would've likely been killed when Lucius betrayed them and their numbers were thin enough for the eventual exterminatus to kill them all. We certainly know that Saul and the remnants of those he commanded faced down the exterminatus in the open, so survivors from his command are unlikely.

There's a possible hole for them to escape that death - IIRC, it's mentioned that Ancient Rylanor has wandered off and found some catacombs somewhere, implying they were in range of a safe spot.

No one in the heresy is dead till you've 'seen' a corpse.



Havent read the £70 heresy book though. If there's anything new in that, I don't know.

 Just Dave wrote:
Personally, I think a more intriguing question is: how did the other Legions, such as the Night Lords, Iron Warriors or Alpha Legion, in particular purge loyalists from their ranks?

Did they even have loyalists at this point? I think it's one of the reasons why they weren't included in the initial assault on Istvann. The Iron Warriors and Night Lords, especially the Night Lords, seem to have long abandoned the ways of the Imperium. They were rogue even before the heresy had broken out, which always makes me raise an eye brow as to why and how Dorn was even to include them in the events that transpired at the Dropsite Massacre. Same as the Word Bearers in a way, but they are to a lesser extent.

So there were Iron Warriors out amongst the star like Dantioch, but those that were together with the Legion seemed to harbour the same grudges as Perturabo and went willingly with him when Horus rebelled. Their attitude towards their fellow traitors isn't much better.

Who knows what the Alpha Legion are doing as it is all secrets and lies. The Alphas trust their Primarchs above all others, even the Emperor and Horus.

this might have to become a project. make a fighting force out of the survivors of istvaan 3.
throw in all of the different chapters, world eaters for assault, death guard as tac and sprinkle in some luna wolves and emperors children for good measure.

have to think of a name now...

The Red Headed Step Children that Daddy didnt want?

Most if not all of the loyalist World Eaters on Isstvan that survived the initial bombardment were massacred by their traiterous brethren

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:
Personally, I think a more intriguing question is: how did the other Legions, such as the Night Lords, Iron Warriors or Alpha Legion, in particular purge loyalists from their ranks?

Did they even have loyalists at this point? I think it's one of the reasons why they weren't included in the initial assault on Istvann. The Iron Warriors and Night Lords, especially the Night Lords, seem to have long abandoned the ways of the Imperium. They were rogue even before the heresy had broken out, which always makes me raise an eye brow as to why and how Dorn was even to include them in the events that transpired at the Dropsite Massacre. Same as the Word Bearers in a way, but they are to a lesser extent.

So there were Iron Warriors out amongst the star like Dantioch, but those that were together with the Legion seemed to harbour the same grudges as Perturabo and went willingly with him when Horus rebelled. Their attitude towards their fellow traitors isn't much better.

Who knows what the Alpha Legion are doing as it is all secrets and lies. The Alphas trust their Primarchs above all others, even the Emperor and Horus.

Well there was a passing reference in The First Heretic about the Word Bearers purging their ranks, so if the Word Bearers - who supposedly were designed to be loyal, although then again did previously worship the Emperor - had loyalists then surely the others did too, particularly any Terrans in their ranks...

 Just Dave wrote:
But he's right. They didnt form the Deathwatch: that was created long after the Heresy, whereas IIRC its been clarified that they do found the Grey Knights (although aren't Grey Knights themselves).

"They" did not form the Grey Knights.

Malcador the Sigilite gathered a grand total of FOUR individuals and (long story short) moved them to Titan where the nascent Grey Knights chapter was held in stasis. NO more than 4 single persons were involved at that point in the Heresy. Any other loyalist survivors were left to other fates (whatever they may have been).

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The survivors mostly formed the Deathwatch. Some few was to become Grey Knights and Inquisitors.

Incorrect.
The Deathwatch was formed after the Heresy.
They may have become founding members of the Inquisition or at least helped found it.
Fairly sure none became Grey Knights, though they may have helped form them...

My god, I was assuming the OP meant after the Heresy, but I'm not surprised that you rebutt things I say. You have managed to even take up a stand for the Imperial Fists being anything but boring and pragmatic fighters and not recruiting from Terra.

The Imperial Fists are more than simply a dull pragmatic chapter. They are that in the main but there are a good number of exceptions.

And in another discussion you provided a defense for the IOM being stupid evil in regards to ships landing on planets and their plasma reactors wrecking the surface of the planet.

I'm honestly not sure about that but frankly the IoM have worlds to burn (Literally in some cases)

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