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Hi There i would like some advice on builds and tactics for chaos bikers

i was thinking 5 bikers with MoS
champ with power sword

running them with a lord with power sword and burning brand of skallthrhak (spelling?)

is this a good option?
and what should i make my primary target and what should be avoided?

would this be a better option than nurgle bikers with Plasma/ Melta

dont want to go over 250pts

thanks in advance

Slaanesh gives you +1 Int. By itself, thats pretty weak. Slaanesh works really well with the icon of excess, which gives your bikes FNP. This works best with big squads of 10 bikers.

If your looking for a smaller unit, MoN bikers work better as they are not paying the icon tax. Instead their bikes inherently have the durability advantage.

In regards to power swords, you don't want to bother with a power sword on your bike sergeant. Power swords offer very little overall benefit. A power axe or maul is where you want to be -- even if it lowers your init to 1. That bonus str is what does the work.

As far as your lord -- the burning brand is decent. If you want your HQ to wreck face in assault, you will need to gear him out differently.

I run my bikes with MoN so they are T6. As well loaded up with 2x Meltas to go Tank hunting if possible.

I was thinking of getting another squad of bikes for CC as well.

would it better to run a squad of say 8 with MoS and the icon of excess + 2x meltas so the squad is dual purpose
should i throw in a power fist or is that overkill

I've always thought either shooty or CC, not both for bikes IMO.
I would say nae on the power fist, just because I1 is never good especially if you are using MoS, defeats the purpose

yeah i think i will go for the CC loadout T5 I5 is pretty good with FNP

in regards to the lord what would be a good loadout ?
burning brand
power axe


Also thinking as running these bikers as a tag team with a maulerfiend
mauler to pop tank then bikers hit everything inside and move quickly on to next target

any thoughts

MoS biker champions should have Lightning Claws. Yes, you lose 1 attack for it being a specialist weapon, but you still take advantage of I5 and reroll to wound at AP 3. This is more valuable than the maul or axe (bikers being thrown into 2+ save units should only be done in rare circumstances).

The above assumes you see a lot of MEQ in your area. If not, mauls are actually pretty nice.

Sounds like it could work. I would say if your going that route, then use Burning Brand

Mark of Nurgle on bikes look good on paper, but even T6 I have had Helldrakes wreck face on them and DE spam. I actually prefer the Slaaneshy ones for the icon of excess and FNP, I still think Power Fists have a place in the Slaanesh bikes they are still T5 and FNP so only S10 is instagibbing and bypassing the FNP.
TBTO - I have been more happy with a Nurgle spawn squad and a lord MoN on a bike or jump pack with PF and Lightning Claws and a sorcerer on Bike (no mark) level 3 sorcerer and go for biomancy to get endurance, enfeeble, iron arm etc. I have been happier with them, but they are not easy to play.

with MoS you really want the icon and then you want more than 5 bikes. I run 8 with 2 plasma and icon.


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I also really like Plasma more than melta on bikes. You can assault after rapid firing on a bike, might as well use it.

I use 4 cheap khorne bikes with a melta as a bodyguard for my juggernought lord.

Pop a transport, charge whatever gets out.

I would always take MOS bikers with an icon over MON;

Logic:
FNP and jink gives you about a 4++ invulnerable against all but str 10;
If in CC you can FNP against power fists making them not scared of much;
The bikers should be safer in CC because AP2 means you will be jinking most of the time.

Now onto weapons loadout. I am thinking 2 flamethrowers, power sword on the champion, this way I should be able to thin out a hoard before I charge, and then in combat I have an I5 to beat on another character with armor 3+ or worse. For the lord I would give him a power first and the black mace (if this is legal) or just a power fist and a power claw (or mace) so that I have an answer for armor 2+, or just a way to cleave through softer units faster.

I'm still debating on the Lord though.

5 MoN bikers here. I only kit the champ with a powersword and usually give them a pair of plasmaguns for big game huntin.

I attach a MoN lord with the Burning Brand on a bike, with a sigil and a lightning claw for a very, very effective hammer unit.

if i attached the lord on bike to the squad does he benefit from the icon of excess?

Yes

Bloood Dragons wrote:
if i attached the lord on bike to the squad does he benefit from the icon of excess?

As long as that lord has MoS, othwerwise it don't.

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Bloood Dragons wrote:
if i attached the lord on bike to the squad does he benefit from the icon of excess?

As long as that lord has MoS, othwerwise it don't.

not true at all. Any model in the unit gains FNP, MoS or no MoS

 Exergy wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Bloood Dragons wrote:
if i attached the lord on bike to the squad does he benefit from the icon of excess?

As long as that lord has MoS, othwerwise it don't.

not true at all. Any model in the unit gains FNP, MoS or no MoS

"Icon of Excess

Units with the Mark of Slaanesh only. All models with the Mark of Slaanesh in a unit equipped with icon of excess have the Feel No Pain Special rule."

It's the same for all icons except for the vengeance one, if you don't have the mark of the icon you don't get the benefits.

Edit: On topic, a squad of Nurgle bikes with icon of vegeance and a lvl 3 sorcerer with biomancy can be really tough, with a good roll on biomancy you get T6 FnP on your bikes

 Lord Yayula wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Bloood Dragons wrote:
if i attached the lord on bike to the squad does he benefit from the icon of excess?

As long as that lord has MoS, othwerwise it don't.

not true at all. Any model in the unit gains FNP, MoS or no MoS

"Icon of Excess

Units with the Mark of Slaanesh only. All models with the Mark of Slaanesh in a unit equipped with icon of excess have the Feel No Pain Special rule."

It's the same for all icons except for the vengeance one, if you don't have the mark of the icon you don't get the benefits.

Edit: On topic, a squad of Nurgle bikes with icon of vegeance and a lvl 3 sorcerer with biomancy can be really tough, with a good roll on biomancy you get T6 FnP on your bikes

wow you are right, never noticed that.

I guess the Khorne Icon still allows non marked models to still reroll charnge distance but no FC. Interesting.

Yes, the icon of khorne only metions that a unit with that icon can reroll its charge distance, conferring FC to units with MoK only.