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I just placed an order from miniwargamin, due to their unfortunate closing, to aquire a khador starter box and a berserker heavy warjack. Where would you guys recommend going from here? And what tactics would be useful in my starting games against my friend (Cygnar).

Best thing and probably the only thing at this point is to get a bunch of Battle Box games under your belt. Get a good a feeling for the game and the mechanics.

Your gonna hear the whole "easy to learn, hard to master" line, and honestly its true the depth of the game is pretty incredible.

From there you're going to want to get some infantry, solo's and probably a few different casters....

I think at last count I have about 160ish points of Khador and just changing the caster changes the style of play, let alone the different jacks,infantry ect.

Oh and good luck.

Damn, MWG is the reason why and how I got into wargaming, WarmaHordes specifically.

But I gotta say, Ebay can have much more cheaper prices at first (Not so often) At least they do have the battlebox, 2 warjacks and a warcaster for Khador, even on Ebay, you can buy it (Not bid) for the same price, except you get 5 Man-O-War Shocktroopers. At first I didn't know what kind of sorcery this is, but its pretty plain serious.

However, If you just want to buy from MWG only, which I'm sorry I wasted the time typing the paragraph above, get the Battlebox and a unit of Man-O-War Shocktroopers at first, Plus the Berserker is fine, its your own free will to get what you want, your looking at total of all these models a 25 Pt. Army, which is a little average, 35 Pt. is the most common average battle for a game.

Tactics I can give you is, just get close to them to hit, Cygnar tend to be good at range attacks I believe, but let those Man-O-Wars deal with them, they do after all have 8 points of health each, reach, and fine combined melee attacks against Warjacks, fearless.

For Berserker, just don't tend to spend alot of focus or your going to lose him, but get a little AOE blast against models, but I just don't think damage like that is worth losing a Jack', he has a Cortex System problem, which means you only get 2 boxes instead of 3 of your cortex.

Just use Sorscha's spell Fog of War to gain concealment and help lower the odds of those Cygnar shooting you. But I don't even know what his list is, so can't tell if he is going to win or lose, but you just need luck and focus.

I would not buy Shock Troopers unless you were getting them as part of the two player starter deal. A better choice of first unit would be either Winterguard Infantry, Iron Fangs or Kayazi Assassins. Get the Unit Attachment for whatever unit you get, and if you get the Winterguard picking up Kovnick Joe is also a really good idea. Those are the three mainstay units of Khador and will give you the most mileage, Winterguard and Kayazi the more notorious ones.

pSorcha, pIrusk and pButcher would be good starting casters to teach you some different basic play styles.

Like most of Warmachine outside of Menoth, Khador is not terribly fond of their Jacks. Best bets for those tend to be the characters Beast 09 and Behemoth as well as the Spriggan primarily, Black Ivan to a lesser extent. Konquest I hear is also pretty good. Whatever you get, you'll probably usually just want one, and rarely more than two.

 AduroT wrote:
I would not buy Shock Troopers unless you were getting them as part of the two player starter deal.

Actually on Ebay (If he decides to shop there) You can get the Man-O-War, Destroyer, Juggernaut, and Sorscha for about a total of $50 (With shipping), which is nearly the same price as a regular Khador Battlebox at your local game store.-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Privateer-Press-Warmachine-Khador-Faction-Bundle-/110892515970?pt=Games_US&hash=item19d1b58282


And you saved nearly another $50 compared to getting the two player starter deal, because I don't think new players need a second army already, and need to focus on their first and main army, IMO.

 Sharps wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
I would not buy Shock Troopers unless you were getting them as part of the two player starter deal.

Actually on Ebay (If he decides to shop there) You can get the Man-O-War, Destroyer, Juggernaut, and Sorscha for about a total of $50 (With shipping), which is nearly the same price as a regular Khador Battlebox at your local game store.-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Privateer-Press-Warmachine-Khador-Faction-Bundle-/110892515970?pt=Games_US&hash=item19d1b58282


And you saved nearly another $50 compared to getting the two player starter deal, because I don't think new players need a second army already, and need to focus on their first and main army, IMO.

That's the Khador half of the two player starter box for half the price of the two player box, so I'm going to say that totally counts for my previous statement of not picking them up unless you're getting said box.

And generally when getting the full box, you find someone to split it with and roshambo for the rulebook.

I am trying to help him save money in buying the faction box in the link I posted. And who knows, he might only have one friend and that friend already has a Cygnar army.

Vipex, how many friends do you have? Plus are you willing to give away Protectorate to a friend? And would any of them be interested in Warmachine. If so, then I guess it is best to get the 2-player box.

 Vipex94 wrote:
I just placed an order from miniwargamin, due to their unfortunate closing, to aquire a khador starter box and a berserker heavy warjack. Where would you guys recommend going from here? And what tactics would be useful in my starting games against my friend (Cygnar).

Tactics against anyone can vary based on terrain, caster, jacks, infantry and solos taken by them and yourself. If your opponent got the battle box as well, you will be facing pStryker. His feat is defensive and he has some good spells, but overall a bit lackluster from just the battle box. Your tactics should be to hit him hard if he doesn't feat and back off on the turn he does. Your priority targets should be the ironclad and charger as they are the highest threats to your jacks and caster. Try to use your destroyer to get rid of the lancer or weaken it as it's shield will shred your cortex if you hit it in melee and if it hits you with it's shield. Remember your knockdown needs LoS, so if you can get your Juggy a kill lane on Stryker, popping your feat will make it virtually guaranteed to kill him.

As for where to go, that's largely up to you. The battle box does not give you a full rulebook so you will need that, but you want to ask yourself:
- Do you want a different warcaster?
- Is there a particular playstyle you are after?
- Are there certain models that you really like the look/backstory?
To help you answer this, you may want to consider buying your faction book or faction deck. These aren't necessary buys but the faction book contains lore and stats of a large portion of your army. You may want to consider investing in Wrath and Colossals as they have rules for battle engines and colossals in addition to stats, but you probably won't need them for the time being. In the mean time you can just check http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/ to get general impressions of your faction's choices.


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 AduroT wrote:

And generally when getting the full box, you find someone to split it with and roshambo for the rulebook.

Why roshambo when you can BYATTTUL FOAR THA RUELBOOOOOK!

Yeah, watching MWG videos got me into 40k then into this, and now they are closing :/...wow alot happened in this thred kind of forgot I had made it. And thanks, Man-O-War troopers are next on my list, just wanted to confirm that it was a sound decision.


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Oh and my friend had already bought the cygnar battlegroup, we decided to share a rulebook, roommates, we had really just planned on starting with the boxes and slowly working our way up.

Not really any experience against Cygnar, but Sorscha (both incarnations of her) are my favorite 'casters. She likes to do assassination runs and kill models, and her feat allows even low MAT/RAT models, like the Destroyer, to only miss on double 1's.

I think you will want to try out the Man-O-Wars first; depending on the caster, they can either be mediocre or do well. The main problem is that they are really slow. Sorscha can mitigate this by casting Boundless Charge, which would be good even when the Shocktroopers are too far to charge by allowing them to get pathfinder and charge for 9 inches instead of running for 8. But like I said, test them out.

Also, Beast 09 is very good to get. By himself, he'll wreck infantry, but he gets better with Sorscha because of his affinity.

for pSorscha, wait for the right moment to use your feat and then use it to assassinate his caster. You probably want some long range assassination tools for that, like the destroyer or Behemoth. Great Bears are always good because pow12 weaponmasters with backswing are hilarious. Get a wardog as well. It is your most valuable companion

Ok, my order is coming in a few days, will post pictures of the work in progress

Sining wrote:
for pSorscha, wait for the right moment to use your feat and then use it to assassinate his caster. You probably want some long range assassination tools for that, like the destroyer or Behemoth. Great Bears are always good because pow12 weaponmasters with backswing are hilarious. Get a wardog as well. It is your most valuable companion

Don't feel you Need to save it for assassination though. Using it early to wipe out a lot of their army and put yourself solidly ahead on attrition or scenario points is also a very viable option, and one that can catch people off guard if they assume you're going to save it for assassination.

 AduroT wrote:

Sining wrote:
for pSorscha, wait for the right moment to use your feat and then use it to assassinate his caster. You probably want some long range assassination tools for that, like the destroyer or Behemoth. Great Bears are always good because pow12 weaponmasters with backswing are hilarious. Get a wardog as well. It is your most valuable companion

Don't feel you Need to save it for assassination though. Using it early to wipe out a lot of their army and put yourself solidly ahead on attrition or scenario points is also a very viable option, and one that can catch people off guard if they assume you're going to save it for assassination.

My friend did just that to me and it turned into one of my most exciting games. I was down to three models after that pretty much, Xerxes, a gladitor and Tirburion I think and one or two scattered karax. I felt almost almost Aizenish or Deathnoteish as I sat and asked myself, "I have 3 models, now where is the kill?" And I found it.

alittle late, school has been busy. But here they are, i have a unit of widowmakers, wardog, widowmaker marksman, and berserker in the workings atm.

Awesome start.

I'd recommend a good black was on the jacks. will help bring the red down a bit and show off some of the detail on the jacks (bolts and slits ect).

Do not fall into the trap of looking at the cover art and thinking Khador is a faction of heavy warjacks and heavy infantry. Lists that try to take many warjacks and a bunch of Men-O-War tend to do terribly because Khador lacks the support to fuel many warjacks effectively and chronic SPD4 results in your heavy infantry and warjacks just getting charged a lot and alpha-ed off the table.

The models that Khador tends to rely upon are its single-based infantry and character warjacks. Head on over to the Khador section of the PP forums if you want deeper discussion on the topic.