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Furyou Miko wrote: AD-B once said he refused to write a book about the Black Legion for a long time because he didn't think he could resist the urge to make his favourite Legion over-the-top awesome out of all proportion.
Huh, his every book is out of proportions....
And he is writing a book about BL....
Yeah, apparently the publishers pressured him into it.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Wait a moment here.
Yes, I agree, there are so much Russ fanboys but there are some (as me) that love him, but at the same time have the knowledge to say: "he wasn't the ultimate blawler, this honor is Angron's, he wasn't the best tactician, he wasn't perfect or a miniature of Big E., but DAMN if he was a badass"
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amudkipz wrote: Vulkan and Angron mostly, both are just so radically different from the rest. Vulkan cares about normal humans and Angron seems like a mad genius.
Well, to be honest the SW too cares 'bout normal human. Remember the 1st Armageddon War? The best "FRACK YOU, INQUISITION" since the Black Templars one.
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The wolves are back! *feral howl* "Si vis pacem para bellum"
PunkNeverDie110 wrote: Wait a moment here.
Yes, I agree, there are so much Russ fanboys but there are some (as me) that love him, but at the same time have the knowledge to say: "he wasn't the ultimate blawler, this honor is Angron's, he wasn't the best tactician, he wasn't perfect or a miniature of Big E., but DAMN if he was a badass"
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amudkipz wrote: Vulkan and Angron mostly, both are just so radically different from the rest. Vulkan cares about normal humans and Angron seems like a mad genius.
Well, to be honest the SW too cares 'bout normal human. Remember the 1st Armageddon War? The best "FRACK YOU, INQUISITION" since the Black Templars one.
He was a badass because of his pack...I'mean point the target, if he fails then one of the wolfguard will do the job (evident in battle of Garm, the Betrayer)....That's why he was Emperor's executioner....
Also I love him to the bone...
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Manchu wrote: IME, Magnus fans are the most defensive of all. "He's so tragic!"
Of course he's tragic. Everyone knows the wolves *only* beat them on prospero because they abused the allies rules. And Magnus didn't want to fight against the wolves anyway.
Not that they were damned from the second Magnus was arrogant enough to think he could make a deal with tzeentch. So yep - the 1k sons only turned because of the wolves...
It's all Russ's fault.
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
^This too...
Kudos for that...
Horus had nothing to do with that (that's why Magnus joined his forces later and attacked Terra)...Ooo and don't forget that minor full scale webway war...
I mean Custodians didn't have right to be pissed at all...
Here is another thing - Magnus fate would be great if Russ had bring him to Terra...*insert battery here*
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
PredaKhaine wrote: So yep - the 1k sons only turned because of the wolves...
It's all Russ's fault.
Just when I thought I'd have to dig through old posts for evidence of my claim
He is sarcastic....I think....
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
DarthMarko wrote: Here is another thing - Magnus fate would be great if Russ had bring him to Terra...*insert battery here*
They'd have made friends - The emperor had no intention of using Magnus as a battery, that was the lies of a deamon.
Then they'd have gone off together and rolfstomped everybody, as Magnus was the *most psychic primarch* and therefore the most powerful.
And then they would kiss and IoM would be free from evil Horus while Magnus becomes the first primarch who fethed a chaos god :-)
Please stop it :-) You are killing me...
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Vikings, wolves, axes, alcohol, semi-friendly to non-Astartes, 'nuff for me
He was a murderous hypocrite. He hated Magnus because his Legion was wracked with mutations when, guess what, the Space Wolves were wracked with mutations too. Curse of the Wulfren and what-not.
Exactly. A murderous hypocrite. That's what allows you to survive in 40k, kill everything that doesn't kill you.
Hypocrisy in this case depends upon where you are standing. From a Still Human perspective, yes, that would be hypocrisy. However, from a SW perspective, it's "Magnus is a mutants but we are the True Marines" To the SW, their "mutation" isn't a mutation at all. It's normal. So, they aren't acting contrary to their stated beliefs. Actually, they fully believe the other legions are all faulty.
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"Why me?" Gideon begged, falling to his knees.
"Why not?" - Asdrubael Vect
PunkNeverDie110 wrote: Wait a moment here.
Yes, I agree, there are so much Russ fanboys but there are some (as me) that love him, but at the same time have the knowledge to say: "he wasn't the ultimate blawler, this honor is Angron's, he wasn't the best tactician, he wasn't perfect or a miniature of Big E., but DAMN if he was a badass"
This, plus the whole drinking, rowdy, rough around the edges space viking thing. It's a whole lot more appealing to me than the big blue boyscout of ultimate order or any of the others really... YMMV
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and erase all doubt. 4000pts Steel Talons
DarthMarko wrote: But here is another thing - mutation isn't really a problem....
It is never mentioned in any book, at least not from the SW side...
Now sorcery is another thing when talking about hypocrisy :
Spoiler:
What I especially admire,’ said the
Thousand Sons Equerry, ‘is your hypocrisy. You hound us and harass us over our
so-called sorcery, yet you do not shrink from using it, shaman.’
‘There is a vast gulf between what I employ
for the good of the Rout and what you practise, warlock,’ Helwintr replied, ‘and the chief part of that gulf is
control. Only the naive would think that mankind could survive in the cosmos
without some measure of craft and cunning to protect him, but there is a limit.
A limit. We must know what we can master and what we cannot, and we must never
allow ourselves to step beyond that line. Tell me, how many steps have you
taken? One? Three? A dozen? A thousand?’
Now I will add TS and SW are all "right and wrong" in the same time( judging from each other perspectives)...
Why are you using the actions and words of a Daemon masquerading as a Thousand Son as evidence to support the Wolves' side of the argument?
Because he is right to an extent...like I said.....TS thirst for knowlege didn't have limits or moral boundaries (evident when they snuffed that chick, saving xenos libraries, their pet deamons), and when it was "all over" they had proven exacly that...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Several warnings and suspensions have been placed due to posts in this thread.
If you cannot post in a sensible and mature fashion without recourse to pathetically juvenile retorts and quips then don't waste everyone's time here.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
This one should be easy, with a landslide for Russ. The vote will be evenly split between SW fanboys not realizing being a fanboy is not a positive (and gleefully clicking on Russ's name before even reading the thread), and the SW fanboy-haters bashing their heads against a brick wall.
DarthMarko wrote: But here is another thing - mutation isn't really a problem....
It is never mentioned in any book, at least not from the SW side...
Now sorcery is another thing when talking about hypocrisy :
Spoiler:
What I especially admire,’ said the
Thousand Sons Equerry, ‘is your hypocrisy. You hound us and harass us over our
so-called sorcery, yet you do not shrink from using it, shaman.’
‘There is a vast gulf between what I employ
for the good of the Rout and what you practise, warlock,’ Helwintr replied, ‘and the chief part of that gulf is
control. Only the naive would think that mankind could survive in the cosmos
without some measure of craft and cunning to protect him, but there is a limit.
A limit. We must know what we can master and what we cannot, and we must never
allow ourselves to step beyond that line. Tell me, how many steps have you
taken? One? Three? A dozen? A thousand?’
Now I will add TS and SW are all "right and wrong" in the same time( judging from each other perspectives)...
Why are you using the actions and words of a Daemon masquerading as a Thousand Son as evidence to support the Wolves' side of the argument?
Well, to be fair, both the daemon and the Rune Priest make valid points. The Wolves were right for the wrong reasons (your approach to warpcraft is dangerous.... because you aren't channeling "da cycle o' lyfe and deth o' Fenris! durkerdur!), and the Sons were wrong for the right ones (we should totally traffic with daemons... for the good of humanity. derbleburble).
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DarthMarko wrote: Because he is right to an extent...like I said.....TS thirst for knowlege didn't have limits or moral boundaries (evident when they snuffed that chick, saving xenos libraries, their pet deamons), and when it was "all over" they had proven exacly that...
Snuffing that woman to make use of her unique farsight was a morally questionable act, indeed, but it was also one made out of desperation. I would not condone it, and Ahriman in particular seems to really regret it. This didn't come out of their general thirst for knowledge, this was the result of them desperate to know the future.
What exactly is wrong with saving xenos libraries now? I mean, not every xenos species are like the Necrons or Chaos, where their works can drive men mad and bring them to ruin. Not that the people of Shrike were xenos, I mean, lol.
Tutelaries were indeed a serious blunder brought on by Magnus's arrogance.
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Manchu wrote: There is a distinction between being a psyker and being a sorcerer.
A psyker explicitly forswears some--probably most--of what is possible. A sorcerer rejects the notion of voluntary limitations.
In this sense, Magnus and his sons have always been sorcerers.
His sons definitely had limitations. The enumerations existed to limit how far they tapped.
Magnus, of course, did not think the enumerations should apply to one as powerful as him, so Magnus has always, by that definition, been a sorcerer.
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Very true -- and the Emperor probably is, too, although we don't have direct evidence. It's interesting to remember on that count, however, that Magnus was as outraged at Ahriman as the Emperor was at Magnus for these reasons.
Omegus wrote: Magnus saw that future for himself in the Emperor's own mind, and he would have accepted it gladly for whatever reason.
Well, he saw it as "using his fearsome powers to lead humanity into a golden age", it is entirely possible that the vision of a decrepit corpse of a throne was a falsehood of Tzeentch. Magnus was seeing the Emperor.
Well, to be fair, both the daemon and the Rune Priest make valid points. The Wolves were right for the wrong reasons (your approach to warpcraft is dangerous.... because you aren't channeling "da cycle o' lyfe and deth o' Fenris! durkerdur!), and the Sons were wrong for the right ones (we should totally traffic with daemons... for the good of humanity. derbleburble).
I honestly think that the cycle of life and death on Fenris gak spouted by Leman Russ was just Russ being a lying ass to Magnus.
‘Psionics,’ whispered Hawser.
‘Psionics,’ Aun Helwintr echoed, smiling. He used his real
voice.
‘I had heard that some of the Legions actually had psyker contingents,’
said Hawser.
‘Most of them have,’ replied Helwintr.
‘But the occurrence is so very rare,’ Hawser said. ‘The mutation
is a—’
‘The psyker mutation is a priceless asset to our species,’ said
Helwintr. ‘Without it, we would be condemned to captivity on
Terra. The Great Houses of the Navigators allow us to expand
our reach. The astrotelepaths allow us to communicate over the
gulfs. But caution must always be exercised. Control.’
This to me implies that the Space Wolves know that, fundamentally, there is no difference between the psykers of other legions and them.
Why they felt that only they should be allowed to use psychic powers, when even the Librarians from non-TS could not, is another story.
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Manchu wrote: Very true -- and the Emperor probably is, too, although we don't have direct evidence. It's interesting to remember on that count, however, that Magnus was as outraged at Ahriman as the Emperor was at Magnus for these reasons.
I don't actually recall this, when did this happen?
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My impression was that the Enumerations were limiting in the sense of control. It wasn't that they stood for a voluntary limitation but rather an exercise by which the Thousand Sons could exert further mastery.
When Magnus was finally stirred to action by Ahriman's rubric and nearly killed him but for Tzeentch's intervention. I think it is described in the CSM dex.
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Manchu wrote: My impression was that the Enumerations were limiting in the sense of control. It wasn't that they stood for a voluntary limitation but rather an exercise by which the Thousand Sons could exert further mastery.
But when that dude whose name I can't remember ignored them and let the Warp flow through him freely, he became a juggernaut of psychic power, destroying Dreadnoughts with a thought and eventually resulting in a psychic overload that destroyed a Warlord Titan.
When Magnus was finally stirred to action by Ahriman's rubric and nearly killed him but for Tzeentch's intervention. I think it is described in the CSM dex.
Orite, lol. I was so caught up in discussing information from A Thousand Sons I had completely forgotten codex fluff existed.
IMO that has more to do with Magnus being outraged by Ahriman essentially subjecting the majority of his remaining sons to a fate worse than death.
Magnus is a sentimental little guy, for a Daemon Prince.
Void__Dragon wrote: Why they felt that only they should be allowed to use psychic powers, when even the Librarians from non-TS could not, is another story.
It probably has to do with their comfort with superstition. Such taboos serve a valuable function in the 40k setting. The more "rational" legions dismiss such things. Magnus and Russ are simply the furthest poles on that spectrum.
Void__Dragon wrote: ignored them and let the Warp flow through him freely, he became a juggernaut of psychic power
And was immediately mutated to an extremely significant extent, IIRC.
Void__Dragon wrote: IMO that has more to do with Magnus being outraged by Ahriman essentially subjecting the majority of his remaining sons to a fate worse than death.
*blink*
Magnus crashed the Webway, assuring humanity reliance on the Warp ...
(I can imagine him, Urkel-style, saying "did I do that?")
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Magnus crashed the Webway, assuring humanity reliance on the Warp ...
(I can imagine him, Urkel-style, saying "did I do that?")
And this was not a minor deamon incursion; it was a full scale war, moments before heresy,
probably brought by that "benevolent spirt"...So try to picture Valdor and sisters when they saw that....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Void__Dragon wrote: Why they felt that only they should be allowed to use psychic powers, when even the Librarians from non-TS could not, is another story.
It probably has to do with their comfort with superstition. Such taboos serve a valuable function in the 40k setting. The more "rational" legions dismiss such things. Magnus and Russ are simply the furthest poles on that spectrum.
Void__Dragon wrote: ignored them and let the Warp flow through him freely, he became a juggernaut of psychic power
And was immediately mutated to an extremely significant extent, IIRC.
Void__Dragon wrote: IMO that has more to do with Magnus being outraged by Ahriman essentially subjecting the majority of his remaining sons to a fate worse than death.
*blink*
Magnus crashed the Webway, assuring humanity reliance on the Warp ...
(I can imagine him, Urkel-style, saying "did I do that?"
Your post was very bothersome to separate into fragments, so I elected not to do so.
I would have just said they were arrogant hypocrites, personally. It's funny, despite Leman Russ and pals chastising the Thousand Sons for arrogance and the use of trickery, from the books the Space Wolves have those qualities in greater amounts than the TS (Perhaps not in arrogance, when comparing only Russ and Magnus). I mean really, Long Fang stating matter of factly that they are the most highly trained of all Astartes, Hawser being kept around just to tell the Space Wolves how awesome they are (If you believe him, the weakest Space Wolf could defeat the mightiest member of any other Legion. Random Space Wolf > Abaddon, Lucius, Raldoron, or Sevatar apparently), Leman Russ hilariously talking about how much smarter his Legion is than Magnus while talking to a psychic spy Magnus never planted or had any knowledge of. As for trickery, Leman Russ had Wyrdmake spy on his Legion, whereas Magnus explicitly told Ahriman to trust Othere with their secrets, hoping to build a bridge between his legion and Russ'. It's just ironic, IMO.
Actually he retained his human form, last I checked.
As for your last point... Um, okay? Not sure how that really responds to what I said, which is that Ahriman casting the Rubric didn't piss Magnus off because he felt he went too far, but because of what it did to the TS. The Rubric was after all a spell Magnus created.
I don't disagree about the SW being deceitful and talked-up.
As to the guy whose name you don't remember, I guess we'd better have his name before getting further into it. I was thinking of Phosis T'Kar.
Finally, the Emperor commanded Magnus to stop before he went too far. Magnus broke faith with the Emperor and helped doom humanity to the GrimDark. The central issue is that Magnus thought he was more in control of his powers than he actually was. The same thing happened when Ahriman performed the rubric. He thought he knew what was best, just like Magnus, and the consequences were awful. Magnus, like his father to him, was then furious with his own son.
The wolves are back! *feral howl* 
Fluff for the Fluff God! 
