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I'm pretty sure the Enforcer captain does suffer a little from perspective. The one Mantic currently sell doesn't seem too too bad, I mean, squint and you can imagine that he has shoulders...



That being said I prefer the current captain to the KS one, the cape, static pose and exposed head just aren't doing it for me,

The Enforcer Captain definitely isn't as good as Mantic's other enforcer captain, which looks pretty damned amazing, and doesn't have the weird thing going on with the shoulders.
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Rest of the Enforcers look pretty good though, especially the sniper.

Beat you to it mate!

That model looks nothing like the hunched Rogue Trader-era Terminator Captain that the board game appears to have.

 scarletsquig wrote:
The Enforcer Captain definitely isn't as good as Mantic's other enforcer captain, which looks pretty damned amazing, and doesn't have the weird thing going on with the shoulders.
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Rest of the Enforcers look pretty good though, especially the sniper.

Yeah. I'd prefer people call out which models ACtUALLY look bad not just make a blanket statement. There really is nothing wrong with the rest o the models past the captain. So some numbskull PAINTED the sniper oddly. I don't see anything wrong with the sculpt.

So Mantic, please give us a new Captain. The rest looks fine.

If they even just give us the current Captain in restic as an extra option I'd be happy enough, really the Deadzone Captain is the only miniature I could do without the rest are fine for me.

nkelsch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Keep in mind we've only seen fan photos of painted figures. I'm sure once the Kickstarter stars we'll get better quality pics.

These aren't cell phone pictures taken of a White Dwarf in the middle of an earthquake, these are photos taken that show off every detail. And high quality pictures won't make that guy's arms stop coming out of the sides of his head.

Agree. Those photos in this thread are pretty dang good. I am tired of being told 'they look better in real life' when they never do. No other mini manufacturer gets a 'pass' like that.

Looks bad in photos = looks bad in real life = A bad model

Ehh, I'd argue the Mantic Elves are a strong excpetion to that imo. I was part of the crowd that hated the sculpts, but now that I have a pair of regiments sitting at home, you can see they are actually decent models.

Enforcer captain still looks like he just got told that his puppy was run over though

 Taarnak wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
Hate, hate, hate the Enforcer Captain and sniper. Capes? Really?

yeah, what the feth is Mantic thinking giving a sniper model a camouflage cloak? what a buncha retards

The sniper is wearing high tech armor that could be, you know, camouflaged. But hey, what was I thinking, right?

The Enforcers are not a force that has been tied to the WW2 in space aesthetic previously. Why start now?

~Eric

Or maybe the sniper is wearing a high-tech chameleoline active-camouflage cloak? When did camo for snipers become tied to WW2 only? Modern day snipers also wear camouflage ghillie suits and such.

I like it. It's a great sculpt. I'm going to buy many of them and throw them at Malkovich as I drive by him.

nkelsch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Keep in mind we've only seen fan photos of painted figures. I'm sure once the Kickstarter stars we'll get better quality pics.

These aren't cell phone pictures taken of a White Dwarf in the middle of an earthquake, these are photos taken that show off every detail. And high quality pictures won't make that guy's arms stop coming out of the sides of his head.

Agree. Those photos in this thread are pretty dang good. I am tired of being told 'they look better in real life' when they never do. No other mini manufacturer gets a 'pass' like that.

Looks bad in photos = looks bad in real life = A bad model

I have to agree with this... I've seen a LOT of Mantic models defended as "They look better from a different angle / in-person / under UV lighting". The sculpts being shown are subpar, imo, and should be stated as such.

I've really liked a Few things from Mantic. I've pledged for the Nameless team for Dreadball later this year... intentionally hoping they'd get their sculpting/casting/etc improved by then. From the looks of these preview models, they haven't imo, and people shouldn't try to talk themselves (or others) into thinking otherwise when these are definitely lacking in many respects.

I'll be backing the KS just for the terrain. I'm hoping there is a terrain only option. If not, I won't be that fussed but I'm not that impressed with the sculpts. The plague look ok, maybe could be better with head swaps but not a fan of the Corporation.

It's weird, the stuff they have been showing for KOW is a massive improvement over their earlier ranges (the ogres, the humans, the lion) but this seems like "old" Mantic sculpting.

Love the terrain though.

 judgedoug wrote:

Or maybe the sniper is wearing a high-tech chameleoline active-camouflage cloak? When did camo for snipers become tied to WW2 only? Modern day snipers also wear camouflage ghillie suits and such.

I like it. It's a great sculpt. I'm going to buy many of them and throw them at Malkovich as I drive by him.

If it were a ghillie suit I might have given it a pass. Its not. Its an hooded cloak. Even a ghillie suit wouldn't really fit the urban setting they seem to be putting the game in.

The hooded sniper has become a trope that originated because of Russian Partisan snipers in WW2, IIRC.

If it were some form of active camouflage, it would make more sense to build that tech directly into the armor, wouldn't it?

It really doesn't fit the previous aesthetic Mantic set up for Enforcers. The cape on the Captain is hilariously out of place.

Also, I tend to agree that the new Captain sculpt is odd aside from the cape. I have the original and it is an awesome mini.

~Eric

I agree, I want historically accurate mutant space zombies.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I agree, I want historically accurate mutant space zombies.

Right, that is totally what I said.

The capes don't fit the established aesthetic. Period.

~Eric

I don't know, it may simply be the paint job for most of the models. I'm not a huge fan of the pictures I've seen, either from the KS preview shots or from Mantic themselves. The picture posted a little while ago shows some nice looking Enforcers though. Captain Ear-Hands may very well be out of proportion (but I'm not sure that it's all that crazy for a game piece... might not fly for a show piece but, eh, not everything is going to be) but I think that a better paint job would make the entire range look better. I feel that way about a lot of GW's models as well. Hard-edging everything makes baby Jesus cry.

Damm, I'd totally forgotten about that Enforcer commander.

Can we just have him instead?

The more I look at the older model the more I want a bigger and beefier mecha version to slug it out with space zombie Onslaught. That would make for good times.

 Cyporiean wrote:

Minis are Remy sculpts, material is the same as Dreadball.
Speaking of which, they know what caused the horrible mold line issues on some of the stuff from Dreadball and have fixed it. If you have any Dreadball figs you aren't happy with because of that Manticwill replace them.

Thanks for the heads-up on that. I might now open the plastic baggies and QA my figures.


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 scarletsquig wrote:

- Game will be played using a 3" grid on a total surface of 2'x2'. No tape measures. SW boards will work, but they'd have to have crosshair markers painted on to indicate the corners of the 3x3 tiles. Or terrain elements used to mark out the 3" space.
More of a Dust Tactics sort of game

How big are the grids in Dust TicTacs? It would be good if they were the same or close enough, simply to give some additional variety to our floorplan options.

nkelsch wrote:
Wow, those models are simply not good.
Apparently getting promoted in the Corp requires them to brake your arms, extend your torso and cut your legs in half. I hope that armor is good as it doesn't look functional.
And 'the plague' is apparently a result of 'steroids' and 'a good workout jam'.
Live by the 'realistic proportions', die by the 'realistic proportions'.

I'll be honest. I generally prefer heroic proportions to "truescale", so you know, I much prefer my space marines to my Mantic Corporation guys. I don't mind SM Terminators or their (inhuman) proportions, so my main issue with that captain isn't the cape or the terminator armour, but the puny little t-rex arms that he has. Maybe with a pair of SM Lightning Claws grafted on instead he'll look a bit better?


On the others - camo cloak doesn't bother me. I see it as visual shorthand for a model being camoflagued. Besides, 40k had cameleoline cloaks on the very-much-not WW2-ish original Space Marines as far back as the Rogue Trader book. Besides, you gotta hide that Iron Man armour somehow!

The regular mutants have awful proportions. More of that tiny-leg-big-torso-and-arms thing that Mantic's trolls and Ogres seem to be afflicted by. The big spiky looks like a better version of WarZone V1's Stahler Carcass Armour


Scenery looks nice, too!


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Just a thing to add - I agree with the posters who have suggested that they should retool the existing Enforcer Captain into Restic as part of this. Squig - can you mention this to them perhaps so the idea is at least in their radar. It'd be a piss-easy Stretch Goal or add-on, and I think would be well-received.

They could probably do the same with the Metal Ork and Forgefather characters models, actually.

I definitely keep going back and forth from "TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY", to "I'd like to see more after hearing/seeing that."

Things I like so far:

Necromunda/Mordhiem style campaign play

D8 system vice D6 (more stat options on rolls. Prefer 10s and 12s the most though)

Scenery is awesome and can be used in Necromunda and other skirmish games

Things I don't like:

The Commander model (yep. driving this one home)

The 2' x 2' playing field. Even 2' x 4' or 3' x 3' would be more acceptable, but really hope there are rules to put four - six - eight - nine boards together for different scenarios. I don't want every confrontation to be an "OK Corral" type shoot out.

No range on weapons. See above.

Lack of a Teraton and Veer-myn faction. That's right. One of the greatest WHFB rivalries hits space......I'd be game. (Had to. Please make this a possibility)

I'm hoping there's rules for using generic survivor 'gangs' in the game. Would be a nice way to bring in Necromunda players (and countless other survivor or sci-fi models).

I'm also hoping that they make squads of nameless, judwan, robots and terratons for this. Mantic could really solidify their universe as non-GW by expanding on those more sci-fi races.

 Taarnak wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Or maybe the sniper is wearing a high-tech chameleoline active-camouflage cloak? When did camo for snipers become tied to WW2 only? Modern day snipers also wear camouflage ghillie suits and such.

I like it. It's a great sculpt. I'm going to buy many of them and throw them at Malkovich as I drive by him.

If it were a ghillie suit I might have given it a pass. Its not. Its an hooded cloak. Even a ghillie suit wouldn't really fit the urban setting they seem to be putting the game in.

The hooded sniper has become a trope that originated because of Russian Partisan snipers in WW2, IIRC.

If it were some form of active camouflage, it would make more sense to build that tech directly into the armor, wouldn't it?

It really doesn't fit the previous aesthetic Mantic set up for Enforcers. The cape on the Captain is hilariously out of place.

Also, I tend to agree that the new Captain sculpt is odd aside from the cape. I have the original and it is an awesome mini.

~Eric

Unless the active camo is a mesh. Then it makes far more sense to have a cloak of it on top of your powered armor, instead of no armor and a mesh jumpsuit. But we could argue what makes sense in a sci FI setting all day long. You just don't like the sniper mini for whatever reason.

The Captain is stupid. The sniper is rockin' like Dokken.

decker_cky wrote:
I'm hoping there's rules for using generic survivor 'gangs' in the game. Would be a nice way to bring in Necromunda players (and countless other survivor or sci-fi models).

I'm also hoping that they make squads of nameless, judwan, robots and terratons for this. Mantic could really solidify their universe as non-GW by expanding on those more sci-fi races.

I agree on more races AS LONG AS it matches with their lore and background. One thing I can't stand about some Necro players is them trying to make rules for every blasted 40k race in Necromunda. Almost every codex race doesn't fit in the environment, at least not unless they have special equipment rules and how they interacted with the gangs, which really takes away from the game if most players aren't playing proper gangs.

BUT this is also a "looting" opportunity. Any tech trader groups, scavenger groups, and just plain the drudges of inter-galactic society are going to show up to try to "get theirs". So it seems much more flexible on who would come be around.

Earth Dragon wrote:

decker_cky wrote:
I'm hoping there's rules for using generic survivor 'gangs' in the game. Would be a nice way to bring in Necromunda players (and countless other survivor or sci-fi models).

I'm also hoping that they make squads of nameless, judwan, robots and terratons for this. Mantic could really solidify their universe as non-GW by expanding on those more sci-fi races.

I agree on more races AS LONG AS it matches with their lore and background. One thing I can't stand about some Necro players is them trying to make rules for every blasted 40k race in Necromunda. Almost every codex race doesn't fit in the environment, at least not unless they have special equipment rules and how they interacted with the gangs, which really takes away from the game if most players aren't playing proper gangs.

BUT this is also a "looting" opportunity. Any tech trader groups, scavenger groups, and just plain the drudges of inter-galactic society are going to show up to try to "get theirs". So it seems much more flexible on who would come be around.

Yeah...the scavenging backstory, and lack of a link to a particular planet (I believe) makes for an easy association to pretty much any race that has space faring capability. Necromunda and Mordheim both suffered from closed stories that limited the races that made sense - that shouldn't be at issue here.

I think the backstory indicates that it would be a Corporation World if I'm not mistaken, so most corporation affiliated races should show up. Really the only guys that wouldn't make sense are races who couldn't care less about scavenging a Corporation planet. So, like you said, this should encompass the bulk, and maybe even create some "setting specific" factions. Not sure if these plague guys are gonna be a Warpath wide race.

all of the races would probably end up being in this, as it said that anyone interested in pillaging, or mining would show up and take as much as they could. so i expect all races to have a skirmishing force. (once the funding gets high enough) I'm curious to see how large these forces are going to be. i'd love for them to be 25-35 man forces, or at least have an option to upgrade all of the forces to that size.

Average game size will be 5-10 for the Enforcers with other factions like the plague being more numerous at 10-30 or so.

So, it depends on the faction, the more elite ones like Enforcers and Forgefathers will be smaller. I guess Enforcers are at the top end, almost like Spyrers in Necromunda in terms of power level.

Again, that almost hurts it though. 40 guys crammed on a 2 sq ft board.....a bit much for me. I'd really like something that suggests the board would be bigger at that point so some tactical manuvering would be involved.

 judgedoug wrote:

Unless the active camo is a mesh. Then it makes far more sense to have a cloak of it on top of your powered armor, instead of no armor and a mesh jumpsuit. But we could argue what makes sense in a sci FI setting all day long. You just don't like the sniper mini for whatever reason.

I dislike it for purely aesthetic reasons. I feel like they are starting to try to shoehorn Space Marines into the Enforcers, and I don't want that to happen.

The mini is well sculpted, no issue there.

 judgedoug wrote:

The Captain is stupid. The sniper is rockin' like Dokken.

That actually made me laugh out loud. Haven't heard that name for an age. Now Imma have to go digging for some terrible 80s hair music. Thanks JD...

~Eric

I have to agree with most of the people hear about the captain, needs work, and as for the sniper i don't have that large of a problem with him but i would like him to have a unique armor instead of a cape. =/ just my 2 cents.

Hrm, I like the big plague guy, who I'll simply call Nemesis for lack of better term at the moment. The crouched ghoul thing looks okay, but the grunts have some terrible proportions. Granted, they're supposed to look hideously mutated, but they look like Mantic ogres who had an unfortunate accident with green stuff.

The Enforcer captain will make a great Forgefather with a headswap. Cloak guy is cool too.

Not feeling the Dust Tactics board thing, especially on a 2 x 2 where some sides are rocking up to 30 figures on what presumably will be a dense terrain board. Sounds a bit clustered.

Good to hear the restic tooling has been changed, as my Dreadball figures looked like crap.

The initial announcement had me quite hyped, alas subsequent details have me steered me towards the wait and see camp.

I'm kind of excited, simply because I know the guy that drew and colored, "Nemesis" as you called it

I hope the Plague isn't just infected humans. I hope we see a bit more variety of infected races. If "Nemesis" there is what we get when humans get infected, I wonder what happens if the Plague infects Forge Fathers or Teratons?

Thick and chunky spiky beard monsters? Giant pointy Godzilla- like kaiju monsters?

Who knows what kinds of fun monstrosities you could come up with if the Z'zor got the plague... oh the possibilities.

Don't let me down Mantic!