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 Alpharius wrote:
I think it has been fairly well established at this point that most of what Kicktraq projects is in fact quite worthless.
Still, this one is doing very well indeed - and they've still got a good 9 or 10 hours of Prime USA Time to go!

Kicktraq becomes relevant through about day 10-24. These projects always start with a big bang, then as they taper off, KT becomes much more useful.


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 scarletsquig wrote:
Something just occured to me about the Enforcer Captain - If he had a cigar in his mouth, his pose would actually look pretty good, and give off more of a badass "I'm standing on the charred corpses of the enemy" vibe.

I think I'll be green-stuffing one on to mine.

I think if he has arm transplants it would fix a lot of the issues.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Shouldn't the caption read "Why are my arms growing out of the sides of my head?".

He went to Terminator School.


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 DiabolicAl wrote:
Another thing that confuses me. The $65 Dollar 'Boxed Game' pledge say s it contains 18 models. The $100 pledge seems to contain less? I think the contents could more clearly described. Still exciting stuff.

The $100 pledge probably has more, but they'd be currently hidden as "fake stretch goals".


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Earth Dragon wrote:
I'm not liking that what they could do in $15k with dreadball is taking them $25k for deadzone. There is enough stuff I want, but this really is suspect......

Don't look at their Kings of War kickstarter in that case...

This ties in with the whole "entitlement" argument though - not many people would have pledged at the current EB levels if we knew that this would be all we're getting, because as it stands, the value is pretty poor. People have pledged at this level with a complete expectation of gakloads of extra stuff to be added on. Dreadball was exactly the same.

The problem comes when campaigns like this are compared to ones where the creator is legitimately putting in as much as they can afford to all the way through. Say, Red Box. The thing is, well, how are we supposed to decide which company is really putting it all in upfront, and which ones are holding back? (Remember, Mantic is very small as well). Then there's the back-and-forth between people saying "you should have been happy with it when you backed it" and others expecting more loot from companies that aren't holding back.

I personally like a good deal, but I'm happier when it's all a bit more upfront despite this meaning less (or no) "fake stretch" goals and less "fake free" stuff. Takes the guesswork out of backing, at least!

Ugh, we had all this "fake stretch goals" conspiracy nonsense with Dreadball, and it was proven to be a load of rubbish, they did actually need the money to get it off the ground or else it would have been another crappy release like Warpath 1.0 was.

Tooling hard plastic sprues (three of which have been done already, and very large ones too) is not a "fake goal", those things are in fact expensive, and it's the reason why almost zero companies make them.

We've just had Mantic make a non gothic/skullz version of GW's Cities of Death, for generic sci-fi, and with a lot more in the way of options and accessories.

You don't get ladders, walkways, firing platforms, bulkheads and battlements in the GW kit, this one is so much better, and more usable for any sci-fi game you want, extremely super-useful for Necromunda/ Infinity.

If you're not happy, just look at it as a terrain kickstarter and start to see the awesome side of it.

Anyway, I've updated the OP to include all the recent rewards and have made a KS comment reminding Mantic about the terrain add-on for you guys who only want to pledge for a full 6x4 table of the stuff.

Besides, I figure you get a better effect from placing the stretch goals regularly and simply compounding the additional funds from smaller stretches in to the next larger ones. So while tooling a plastic sprue will easily eat a full "stretch-chunk" (yes, that is totally a term), something smaller like, say, a limited edition character is put in there more for pacing purposes because the stretch after may take up a larger chunk than a single stretch would allow.

This alleviates an issue a lot of Kickstarters have, and that is having unevenly spaced goals creating doldrums. With a regular allotment of goals (in this case $25k) you avoid overstuffing with a bunch of little things but are still able to pull out big stuff on a regular basis. So instead of having a free limited edition character sculpt after $5k-10k, you place it where it would normally go, but now that big $40k-45k stretch goal doesn't feel like it is an eternity away because its funding was compounded in to the previous level. Still achieves the same effect as having varied stretch limits but makes the pacing more regular.

This means less bellyaching about not updating fast enough when you slam through 3-4 small goals and less calls for showing what is next while slogging toward a far-off big goal. Seems to be working well enough so far.

really enjoying the journey so far, my pledge has got more models, better scenery and we are getting a funky survivor model...

just hoping for some addons to get now.

Are The Plague based on people who have watched Firefly?

Wow looks like I'm a bit late to this one! Woke up this morning, saw that I had missed all of the early bird pledges and so just spent the last 30 minutes reading through 15 pages or so in this section.

Have to say I expected it to be popular, but not to this level and it will be interesting whether it can get to Sedition Wars/Zombiecide type territory.

Because it's got a breath of Necromunda about it? The general improved perception of Mantic over the past 6 months or so since Dreadball?

In at $40 for the time being just to get my name on it, and then will no doubt bump it up to a level I later regret later on in the month..

Also, bloody brilliant that they have factored in free shipping for UK/US (speaking from an entirely selfish point of view! )

Looking at early days for the plastic terrain, they do seem less detailed or versatile than the very old Hexagon kits... wonder if that will change.

^ I own some of those old platformer/hexagon kits, they're versatile, but pretty ugly looking when it comes down to it (too many small parts, lots of highly visibly clips), and way more trouble than you'd expect to put together (dozens of really tiny, really fiddly parts and you really have to force the connectors).
They're not really very well scaled for practical 28mm gaming either, the edging pieces are too small to provide cover to 28mm minis, only coming up to their knees.

3" tiles with properly-sized battlement/edging pieces for minis to stand behind should make this much easier, plus overall I like the cleaner hard-sci fi design compared to the overly-busy hexagon kits which are pretty much 100% covered in rivets and random squares/triangles.
I wouldn't mind some 45 degree corners/ connectors for the mantic kit, to move things a little further away from the boxy look.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Ugh, we had all this "fake stretch goals" conspiracy nonsense with Dreadball, and it was proven to be a load of rubbish, they did actually need the money to get it off the ground or else it would have been another crappy release like Warpath 1.0 was.

Tooling hard plastic sprues (three of which have been done already, and very large ones too) is not a "fake goal", those things are in fact expensive, and it's the reason why almost zero companies make them.

Proven? Really? Nothing was proven since as we said then, neither you nor I am privvy to Mantic's inner business workings. Besides, I'm more of the opinion this time around that they probably did need $250-300k to get it running to their satisfaction, and the initial goal was as fake as the stretches we're seeing so far. I've never said that Mantic aren't smart - and experienced with KS at this stage, and KS is a thing to be manipulated - those who are better at running campaigns will get a lot more money in the end.

Can we simply agree to disagree on it and skip the "fake stretch" argument section this time around? I figure it'd be for the best since we're not going to see eye-to-eye on this nor are we going to change each other's opinions on this point.

We've just had Mantic make a non gothic/skullz version of GW's Cities of Death, for generic sci-fi, and with a lot more in the way of options and accessories.
You don't get ladders, walkways, firing platforms, bulkheads and battlements in the GW kit, this one is so much better, and more usable for any sci-fi game you want, extremely super-useful for Necromunda/ Infinity.
If you're not happy, just look at it as a terrain kickstarter and start to see the awesome side of it.

We know you mostly love Mantic, but we might want ot reserve "so much better" until it's actually more than a prototype. It's certainly very promising, but Mantic have disappointed us before many times, and they will do so again. Cathorse was sadly something I was really pumped for. Until I saw it. I'm both optimistic and hopeful that the scenery will be very nice, but with their track record, "better" is a word best avoided, IMO. Hell, I like my 40k scenery not to all be covered in Skullz, since it often looks a bit stupid when overdone...

 NAVARRO wrote:
Looking at early days for the plastic terrain, they do seem less detailed or versatile than the very old Hexagon kits... wonder if that will change.

The only thing those old kits had going for them were the price, always thought they were pretty crappy really!

 Azazelx wrote:
Proven? Really? Nothing was proven since as we said then, neither you nor I am privvy to Mantic's inner business workings.

Yes, proven. Go back and read the DB thread for a video of Ronnie waving a metal ref around in an early interview, and see ED's comments about seeing early designs with ref counters, and the plan for veermyn and forgefather teams to be metal.

We know you mostly love Mantic

Here we go again...

Mantic have disappointed us before many times, and they will do so again.

Gotta love blanket, nonspecific statements. Mantic have throughly impressed a lot of us, a lot of times, or there is no way in hell this would have raised ~$190k in 24 hours.

Can we simply agree to disagree on it and skip the "fake stretch" argument section this time around? I figure it'd be for the best since we're not going to see eye-to-eye on this nor are we going to change each other's opinions on this point.

I'm not the one who brought it up in the first place, neither am I the one who has posted several multi-paragraph posts on the topic here.

If you were serious about dropping the subject, you'd have pm'ed me and not posted a final "I'm right, end of discussion" post.

Now that you've both had your "Final Word" it might really be a good time to let it go.

is there any word on at wich point new factions will be included ???

And also, will it be possible to switch factions included at the 150 $ levels, if/when theu get released?

thanks

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ I own some of those old platformer/hexagon kits, they're versatile, but pretty ugly looking when it comes down to it (too many small parts, lots of highly visibly clips), and way more trouble than you'd expect to put together (dozens of really tiny, really fiddly parts and you really have to force the connectors).
They're not really very well scaled for practical 28mm gaming either, the edging pieces are too small to provide cover to 28mm minis, only coming up to their knees.

3" tiles with properly-sized battlement/edging pieces for minis to stand behind should make this much easier, plus overall I like the cleaner hard-sci fi design compared to the overly-busy hexagon kits which are pretty much 100% covered in rivets and random squares/triangles.
I wouldn't mind some 45 degree corners/ connectors for the mantic kit, to move things a little further away from the boxy look.

I may have missed it, but the hard plastic scenery, do you know if it is intended to be permanently assembled with plastic cement, or is it snap-together design?

The drone controller Enforcer model is very interesting to me... I wonder if there will be other drones then the ones that have been shown?

@Samurai: I seem to remember in the comments that they said this would be an option when new factions get released, or even for existing factions.

@Buzzsaw: Both, you can snap it together for flexibility, or glue it together for durability. I guess there might be some parts like the ladders etc. that need to be glued on, but I'm not entirely sure.

I'm guessing those walkways will need a quick dab of glue for sure, as well.

First of the add ons

That's a different second gen plague so it looks like there might be another non leaping version probably added along with the sniper.

Tempted to get a couple more Grogan

Now we're talking!

If the Rebs Field Commander lives up to the concept art, she'll be a sure fire winner.

Odd though, the Ripper Suit is a great buy at $10 including 4 different arm load-outs, but the Grogan is $5 and you choose 1 weapon. Perhaps the Grogan's are distinct sculpts, rather then modular with different arms?

Nice but...


...Where are the terrain add ons?!?!?

Amazon is having issues, so payment additions aren't going through


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 Buzzsaw wrote:
Now we're talking!

If the Rebs Field Commander lives up to the concept art, she'll be a sure fire winner.

Odd though, the Ripper Suit is a great buy at $10 including 4 different arm load-outs, but the Grogan is $5 and you choose 1 weapon. Perhaps the Grogan's are distinct sculpts, rather then modular with different arms?

I'm guessing it might be a backpack/arm positioning difference. Whatever it is, I'm taking advantage!! Those guys have great concept art

It look likes I have a couple of Hurley Drones that I can use as an option

 Pacific wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Looking at early days for the plastic terrain, they do seem less detailed or versatile than the very old Hexagon kits... wonder if that will change.

The only thing those old kits had going for them were the price, always thought they were pretty crappy really!

Really?


Well I have all 3 sets and all are awesome... only craked one open and did this with it....

http://s45.photobucket.com/user/NAVARROpt/library/MERCS

If I go wild with the 3 kits I can built endless stuff... the sound of 6 tiles sprues on the Mantic terrain does not sound more versatile than hexagon terrain...

Yeah but, you're NAVARRO man - what can the rest of us hope to do with them?!?

Seriously though - VERY nice looking stuff!

i kinda wish there was a buy 3 get 1 free deal or just a 15 dollar deal for everything besides the leaders.

Thats really cool Navarro, shows what can be done with that old kit.

Looking around the comments sections of a few different KS it looks like Amazon paymeants are messed up as a whole, hopefully it'll be sorted soon.
Also looks like quite a few people are starting to ask for female Enforcers and even a female captain, I'd love to see that too TBH.

ScarletSquig, do you know if there is any move to re-do the Enforcers and make them into a plastic sprue for figures, rather than using restic? If not, will these Enforcers be the same poses as the ones currently available for purchase?

 Fenriswulf wrote:
ScarletSquig, do you know if there is any move to re-do the Enforcers and make them into a plastic sprue for figures, rather than using restic? If not, will these Enforcers be the same poses as the ones currently available for purchase?

Hard Plastic Enforcers are not likely until the Warpath Kickstarter.

Darn. They'd really make themselves competitive with GW if they did re-do them and release them as a sprue. Could also fix some of the assembly problems people have with the current restic ones.

Scientist level promises 18 plastic figures in 2 colors



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Has Mantic said how many scenery sprues will come in the base box ?

SCIENTIST Level says SCENERY SPRUES
RECON Level says 3x SCENERY SPRUES
STRIKE TEAM Level says 5x SCENERY SPRUES

Scientist uses the plural sprues, so I assume it come with more than one.

Since 1 Sprue allows you to make a 3 inch box, only including one feels like a slap in the face.