Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - Completed! - $1,216,482 final total.

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**Bolognesus**

NAVARRO wrote:
Pacific wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
Looking at early days for the plastic terrain, they do seem less detailed or versatile than the very old Hexagon kits... wonder if that will change.

The only thing those old kits had going for them were the price, always thought they were pretty crappy really!

Really?

Well I have all 3 sets and all are awesome... only craked one open and did this with it....

http://s45.photobucket.com/user/NAVARROpt/library/MERCS

If I go wild with the 3 kits I can built endless stuff... the sound of 6 tiles sprues on the Mantic terrain does not sound more versatile than hexagon terrain...

IMO that looks extremely nice **despite** the kit used - and I think most of us know you're somewhat halfway good with a sculpting tool etc.

**Souleater**

Given the speed at which this is going I think mantic are going to have to start doing faction sets for the races which we saw in Dreadball.

Which will be awesome in large amounts!

**adamsouza**

I like the Platformer/Hexagoner Terrain kits.

By themselves, the platformer kits produce okay looking terrain that is small and fragile, unless you glue it together.

An equal amount of these mantic sprues will cover more table space, probably be more structurally sound, and hopefully cost less.

**scarletsquig**

Amazon payments is back up, for anyone wanting to pledge.

**RoninXiC**

Finally

**Alpharius**

the horror!

I mean, there's only 36 days left to get in on this!!!

**Rolt**

@Alp

Hehe yeah, I few hours lost will hardly kill this, its jumping up like crazy now theres a good chance it'll hit the next goal within the hour.

**Pacific**

NAVARRO wrote:
Pacific wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
Looking at early days for the plastic terrain, they do seem less detailed or versatile than the very old Hexagon kits... wonder if that will change.

The only thing those old kits had going for them were the price, always thought they were pretty crappy really!

Really?

Well I have all 3 sets and all are awesome... only craked one open and did this with it....

http://s45.photobucket.com/user/NAVARROpt/library/MERCS

If I go wild with the 3 kits I can built endless stuff... the sound of 6 tiles sprues on the Mantic terrain does not sound more versatile than hexagon terrain...

Ok.. That's like a million times better than the stuff I managed with them!

So.. looking like the game will be played on a 2ft by 2ft board?

**scarletsquig**

^ Yep, the small board size is actually intentional as part of the game design, Jake wanted it to feel claustrophobic and like there's nowhere to hide.

There's loads of pics of the first gen plague up on Remy's blog if anyone wants to take a look:

http://remytremblay.sculpture.over-blog.com/article-plague-lord-deadzone-mantic-117397772.html

Awesome model, I think it looks better in those pics than the painted version does.

Something which is kinda interesting, a quote from the page:

As you know I have made some enforcers few month ago for the warpath range, this times tye'll be tooled in hard plastic, and that's nice.
For this game I've sculpted the big guy for the plague, one of the new faction in the warpath universe.
He's quite big and ugly an will be in restic to insure the best details you could have at the lowest price.
Note that the head on the picture is slightly different of the one you'll have in the box, but only slightly.
And sorry for this horrible English message

I like the sound of that. Mantic said themselves that some hard plastic might be possible if the funding gets high enough, so we could be seeing some Enforcer sprues soon.

Or if it isn't being done through this KS (which will have individualized restic sculpts), then it looks like it'll happen later on as a general non-KS release for Warpath 2.0.

**RoninXiC**

All of Remy's miniatures for Mantic are 10/10. His Dreadball stuff is just amazing.

**RiTides**

scarletsquig wrote:
There's loads of pics of the first gen plague up on Remy's blog if anyone wants to take a look:

http://remytremblay.sculpture.over-blog.com/article-plague-lord-deadzone-mantic-117397772.html

Awesome model, I think it looks better in those pics than the painted version does.

Wow

. Yes it does. Much better!

Do you happen to know if that sculptor is doing the Nameless for Dreadball (and did he do all of the Season 2 teams, or just some of them?).

I really like his work and if I pledged for something like this, I'd feel much more confident if I knew what he, in particular, was sculpting.

**Black Nexus**

remy didn't do any of the season 2 teams AFAIK or any of Season 3. the ogres and the most of the humans are his for Kings of War.

**streetsamurai**

Decided to back it for 150$, the price is really good, and the product is orignial and contains no lame space skaven or space dorf. Eager to see the new races, especially the insects, terratons, jedah and nameless. Hopefully they put them in before the aforementionned lame space skaven or space dorf

**DiabolicAl**

There goes 200k

**Ronin_eX**

streetsamurai wrote:
Decided to back it for 150$, the price is really good, and the product is orignial and contains no lame space skaven or space dorf. Eager to see the new races, especially the insects, terratons, jedah and nameless. Hopefully they put them in before the aforementionned lame space skaven or space dorf

I hope not, I'm backing this in hopes of awesome space dorfs. And from the sounds of those in the know, I don't think I'll be disappointed.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Off topic aside:

The nameless (& the multi hex player in the same style) is meant to be sculpted by the same guy who did John Doe

**Earth Dragon**

Teratons!!! Come out of the woodworks folks. Lets get 225k today. Yeah.

**Ronin_eX**

Nice, teraton brawler and snipers (and another 2nd gen I suppose). Can't wait to break through to that one.

**scarletsquig**

RiTides wrote:

Wow . Yes it does. Much better!

Do you happen to know if that sculptor is doing the Nameless for Dreadball (and did he do all of the Season 2 teams, or just some of them?).

I really like his work and if I pledged for something like this, I'd feel much more confident if I knew what he, in particular, was sculpting.

As far as I know, Remy is sculpting 100% of the models for this KS. If it isn't 100% due to the KS exploding in popularity, it'll still be 80-90%.

Remy is a full-time employee of Mantic and he is the go-to guy for Warpath. So far, he has sculpted every single one of the Warpath models (yes, all of them!) except for the hard plastic forgefathers and marauders (steel warriors and grunts).

I read on the Mantic forums a few months ago that no-one other than Remy is allowed to make Warpath sculpts, to keep the overall design style consistent.

He's a fantastic sculptor. Whatever the concept art is, he makes a carbon copy of it in 3d, it's something he is extremely at doing.

**PsychoticStorm**

Logical approach.

**The Dwarf Wolf**

Ronin_eX wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:
Decided to back it for 150$, the price is really good, and the product is orignial and contains no lame space skaven or space dorf. Eager to see the new races, especially the insects, terratons, jedah and nameless. Hopefully they put them in before the aforementionned lame space skaven or space dorf

I hope not, I'm backing this in hopes of awesome space dorfs. And from the sounds of those in the know, I don't think I'll be disappointed.

Seconde here... Space Dorfs and Space ratmans are welcome, just like Jedah and Insects (maybe some Asterians too).

And, considering how the those space dorfs are important for the scenario (the only alien race to fight the corporation and actually win), they must be around the corner.

Ronin: expect the less comon races to apear on the rebs faction. Teratons are there alredy...

**Ronin_eX**

Hell, that's why I'm liking the Rebs. I get all my weird space opera aliens in one package but I still get the awesome space fantasy stuff in their own factions. Best o' both worlds.

**Cyporiean**

Rebs will be getting a number of races that were requested during the Dreadball Kickstarter, but did not get included as teams.

**scarletsquig**

Here's the deadzone Q&A from Jake's blog, might be of interest:

Q: When will the rules be made public?

A: We’re aiming to put an Alpha version of the rules onto the Kickstarter by the end of next week (5th May).

D: I’m playtesting all weekend in-between writing up corrections, then it needs a day or two in layout to make it pretty and get the sample cards organised. The aim is to get a condensed version that will allow you to see the core rules and let us know what you think. It will contain examples of the different elements, but not all instances.

Q: What’s an Alpha?

A: An early version of the rules.

D: Rules normally progress through 4 main stages with smaller increments within them. The first is Proposal/Concept, then Alpha, then Beta and finally Release versions. I could call this a Beta (that’s what people normally call things that get released to the public regardless of their state), but realistically there are a number of things which still need to be addressed before we get there in my eyes.

Firstly, what is done? Well the core concepts and processes have been developed and the game works as something you can play – it’s just not been refined enough yet for me to be entirely happy. What has yet to be finished is the details and balancing of the many weapons, troop types, faction specific cards and so on. I’ve got roughs for most of these, they just aren’t all balanced yet. You can help with that.

Then there’s the Kickstarter. To a large extent you guys have the control of how much goes in the final Deadzone rulebook. I’ve proposed a raft of stuff to Ronnie, and he’s tipped a stack more ideas into the mix, but whether we can get them all done or not depends on how well the KS does. It all takes time and time is money. If we get the funding then well be adding more factions, “locals”, extended campaign rules and loads more as well as all the extra models, terrain sprues and suchlike you’d expect from a successful Kickstarter campaign. This means that I can’t really call the rules a proper Beat because I don’t even know what’s going to be in the final version yet!

So the Alpha will show you the kind of game Deadzone is and you can easily see where it’s going. If you’re interested you can even chip in and offer suggestions. Always happy to listen to good ideas
Q: Will the rules include… ?

A: Maybe.

D: The final contents of the rules (and the game in general) depends on the success of the Kickstarter. See my discussion above.

Q: Can I play without the board?

A: yes, with a few house rules.

D: If you really don’t like the idea of a board you could easily adapt the rules to a plain table. You need rules for movement, ranges and scatter and all can be derived from the grid measurements (movement and ranges) or borrowed from other games (scatter).

However, I personally see no real benefits and two distinct problems with doing this. Using a tape measure instead of the gridded board guarantees a slower game and also offers more opportunities for disagreements. I chose to use the board to make a slicker, faster and less fractious game as I like all those features.

If I see anything else from Mantic or its staff scattered around the internet, I'l make sure to repost it here so you all don't have to go looking.

My own observations on the rules:

- 2'x2' board and 3" tiles means an 8x8 board.
- There are 8 different tiles touching any single tile on a square grid (4 edges and 4 corners).
- d8's are used for the game.

So.. this means that a d8 can be rolled to determine scatter, and that two d8's can be rolled to randomly determine any location on the grid, e.g for placement of objectives, treasure crates etc.

Really good bit of game design, the d8's were chosen for a very carefully-considered reason.

**Black Nexus**

i;m not expecting judwan in any meaningful way. they are pacifists after all.

asterians, forge fathers and nameless all have a place though IMHO, as do robots...

@ Scarletsquig

the plague 3rd gens don't look like remy sculpts to me. The enforcer have also been digitally built based on his designs, though tweaked to bulk out the knee by the looks of it. Shower curtain on the captain is a poor choice.

**Ronin_eX**

I'm actually a fan of going grid-based. But then, a great deal of my favourite wargames are hex'n'chit variety. Wargames started off using boards and it is nice to see a resurgence of them lately. They make it easy to determine LOS, range and a load of other things without error and argument. So I'm all for the board. Hell it even works to help ease non-wargamers in. My wife is half interested mostly because of the board-game aspect, though it sounds like we might not be getting Veer-myn as a race (which would likely have been her choice).

**streetsamurai**

not sure if i like the rebels gettin teraton and other alien that are playable factions. I would have like it more of they only got non-pc aliens.

**Bolognesus**

Black Nexus wrote:
i;m not expecting judwan in any meaningful way. they are pacifists after all.

Oh I don't know. Medics, for a start perhaps? (one can hope)

**scarletsquig**

^ Great idea, Judwan medic would be really cool, and fitting with their background.

Rebs are definitely the most interesting faction, the variety of different aliens is awesome.

Ideally the faction should have more different types of alien than the Mos Eisley Cantina!

**timetowaste85**

At the Deadzone (Deadzone), Deadzone Cantina...The weirdest creatures you've ever seen-a. At the Deadzone, Deadzone Cantina: Grogans and blasters and old Judwan masters, at the Deadzone...

Please don't sue me, Richard Cheese.