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 Hulksmash wrote:
Well we've seen painted pictures of the Grogan, that hand/feet guy, and the two human troops. They've been showed in a lot of random photos. Only ones we haven't seen is the little running fella, commander, and flying dude so far. Oh, and the drones.

Yeah, in the "action shots". I mean photos of the miniatures and that's it. Kinda like you would for the webstore.

~Eric

GIANT ROBOTS!

If when all is said and done and I've got Enforcer/ Reb mecha slugging it out with Spikey McPlauge as heavy weapons teams perched on a catwalk three stories above are blowing chunks out of the walls to allow an allied squad through, I'll be in a state of gaming Nirvana.

Doesn't hurt to have family pledging nice and high either for bloody family gatherings.

 Dais wrote:
Does anyone own the pegasus hobbies hex or platformer terrain to compare the value of the deadzone battlezones to those existing kits? I've been on the fence about going in for the urban battlefield pledge but I get the feeling I could do better buying some of the pegasus kits from the warstore.

I am also very weary of going into a pledge level that is "done for a while."

They get the job done, but they are far from great quality, and frankly, look a little odd mixed with other stuff. I'm liking this terrain since, as far as Sci-Fi buildings go, it should be able to blend with a wider variety of stuff. The Hexagon sets are also kinda a one time shot. Very hard to break apart again, and difficult to really think of anything overly elaborate to build. Squares are better then hexes.

New artwork for the terrain pledge levels showing off what can be made from them if you don't go the full building route.

Ok, so... contributor hat off, consumer hat on....

I've been quiet as of late, as my loyalty is obviously a touch torn. That said... I feel like, in broad strokes, the "road-map" was a good call, and that hearing about faction-boosters, larger scale, more nods toward acknowledging the Warpath hooks, vehicles, etc.... all of that is music to my ears. I am enthused, and briefly felt excited about throwing my $400 or what-not, back at this...

... then someone from Mantic posted on the KS that they're bumping up against the limits of what they can add to a $150 pledge.... and that they hope/expect add-ons to be what drive numbers going forward.

I REALLY hope that doesn't mean we've hit the "added value" wall, and that where we are is largely where we'll be. I don't know yet that I feel "done", and certainly want to feel some balance of getting more for your buck, in accordance with asking more for add-ons. Going strictly one way sounds like a sure fire way to stagnate.

Anyway, my pledges are intact, my hope strong... but I do feel a bit like smirking at how my own feelings, and fortunes change in short spans of time. After a rough start, I suddenly feel like All Quiet on the Martian Front has suddenly found its footing, value, etc... and can't do wrong (it helps that their alpha playtest was fun as hell).... whereas my Deadzone enthusiasm has stopped advancing, and i'm sort of just in for some terrain and as an excuse to invest in the Warpath IP.

Great chat with Ronnie tonight on the ks comments, seemed very open to any new ideas and let slip plenty of info on where deadzone is heading.

We should see a load of new info rolled out this week. Mantic plan to finish of the basic game this week with the final week when they go crazy with giant robots, support weapons, small vehicles, plastic zombies, solo rules and other expansions.

Looking good for the future. Plus they will shortly have up a rolling list of the next 100k stretch goals

Edit - Ronnie stated that the two new factions would be rounded out fully before the strike pledge was maxed out, plus there would be more free stuff for striker after that.

If the Dreadball is a template then by some time you will indeed reach the point that the "core" will not get much extras, logical as you need the backers to spend on add on and the add on will start get move value for money with streachgoals making them more value for money.

It does not mean there will not be the odd free update for the core pledge or that they free stuff for it will not be spaced, but tis time to look at the extras, look at t this way, forge fathers and Asterians need to be fleshed out, none is from the core box so all free updates for them are de facto not in the core pledge.

Well if the issues with KoW (for those that think there were problems) are down to cost,

and this does seem to be the case since they had to do the extra command bits in metal and using their own cash not KS funds

And the issue of overly thick mould lines on a few (by no means all) dreadball minis was attributed to running the line to fast (so meaning less expensive machine time)

it could well be both previous campaigns were too generous in terms of give aways and this time mantic will have to reduce them somewhat to allow them to produce a still higher quality product...

Only time will tell

Whoever was complaining that a "4 mats" add-on wasn't there (I forget who but there was like 2-3 pages of discussion on the matter a while back... well, now there is!

Looks like there's 6 more mercs that Mantic wants to unlock, too, with 3 of those being free in Strike Team.

People do seem to forget the cost of the mat and scenery sprues in strike, which still make it a great deal.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Whoever was complaining that a "4 mats" add-on wasn't there (I forget who but there was like 2-3 pages of discussion on the matter a while back... well, now there is!

Looks like there's 6 more mercs that Mantic wants to unlock, too, with 3 of those being free in Strike Team.

That would be H.B.M.C., I believe - now he be happy, for certain!

 scarletsquig wrote:
Whoever was complaining that a "4 mats" add-on wasn't there (I forget who but there was like 2-3 pages of discussion on the matter a while back... well, now there is!

Indeed there is.. at absolutely no savings compared with before. The price for the new even numbered amount of mats is exactly the price of the old odd numbered actual deals (that save you $5-10) plus the full price of adding the single mat add on. I guess that technically saves you a mouse click in the pledge manager but no additional money with the new offerings.

However, people were apparently confused otherwise...

Never underestimate how lazy people can be or how daring can simple math can be.

Aye, it's definitely a "math is hard, lets go shopping!" add-on.

New renders are cool, but they don't really show off the terrain as it'll be used by players themselves... people will want to make functional-looking, enclosed buildings or open ruins with the kits, not abstract lines of walls.

I got from the discussion these will come tomorrow.

 Alpharius wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Whoever was complaining that a "4 mats" add-on wasn't there (I forget who but there was like 2-3 pages of discussion on the matter a while back... well, now there is!

Looks like there's 6 more mercs that Mantic wants to unlock, too, with 3 of those being free in Strike Team.

That would be H.B.M.C., I believe - now he be happy, for certain!

I am sure you meant.. He Be Majorly Cheerful..

 scarletsquig wrote:
Whoever was complaining that a "4 mats" add-on wasn't there (I forget who but there was like 2-3 pages of discussion on the matter a while back... well, now there is!

Looks like there's 6 more mercs that Mantic wants to unlock, too, with 3 of those being free in Strike Team.

Judging from Mantic's KS comments one of those locked panels in Strike Team will likely be upgraded counters.

No, the locked panel will be something else--there's already a panel showing the current card counters, so if there's an upgrade it will replace that panel.

That doesn't mean each locked panel will be a merc, though. Probably, yes, but not certainly. Nor does it account for the additional 2 terrain sprues that will be coming to Strike, and of course if any additional minis are added to the factions themselves they'll go up there and not in the locked panels.

All you can really say for sure is that, provided pledging goes high enough, there are at least four freebie stretch goals to be added to Strike Team (the sprues, plus the three panels).

New renders are cool, but they don't really show off the terrain as it'll be used by players themselves... people will want to make functional-looking, enclosed buildings or open ruins with the kits, not abstract lines of walls.

players of 40K maybe, i suspect deadzone will look more like this after looking at photographs of jakes' alpha game.

still, look forward to seeing more renders tomorrow, apparently they've got a lot they'll be teasing out.

I just took another look at the Survivor, and I noticed he has a fairly wide stance. Does this mean that Deadzone figures won't come on the classic Mantic bases?

Well good on Mantic. They seem to have just unlocked the battle damage terrain without a stretch goal to hopefully increase the pace of the kickstarter back to models.

Huh, where's the source on that? I think they just added a stretch in between to push things along with a free mini. The ruined battlezone is still at $250k as far as I know. Unless they posted something in the comments I don't think any of the updates have changed that.

But if that is the case I wont complain!

Still very tempted by the terrain, broken down and spread out like above it looks like a very good table filler for a very reasonable price and lets face it if you are playing necro you will be using that style....

can see me going in for a few battlezones at least.

Hell, that kind of terrain is still good for Infinity. Lots of broken sight lines, lots of verticality. I will probably only make a couple of full on buildings with a punch of industrial walkway stuff.

I'm still trying to figure what breakdown of battlezone themes I'll be using. I'm thinking (not including the pile from Strike Team) that a nice mix of a couple core, a landing pad and a fortifications set will do me good. I have enough ruined terrain so I'll probably pass on that (though they look really good). It also occurs to me that this stuff would be great for doing various Infinity objectives for Paradiso (especially those ubiquitoues 12"X12" rooms). I may have to make a few roofless rooms just for that. Hmm, suddenly the $95 terrain add-on is feeling so small. Oh well, we'll see how it goes. I still have another $85 to throw at this, so I will probably wait to see what FF upgrades we get after reaching $550k.

So the summary of yesterdays discussion

There is a consideration for a mini rulebook (from the scientist level) as an add on

Antenociti's bundles have been expanded in quantity (and some new items) so they are even better deal

There are a few more things to be added for free in striker, but it is nearing maxing out (I assume this is because the next stretch goals will be for Asterians and Forge Fathers that are not part of striker)

Focus now will be in getting new backers to bolster the ranks of backers already supporting the game

There will be booster sets for the faction packs

Beta should be up today and there is discussion about 4x4 multiplayer and solo play rules, there was also discussion for cooperative multiplayer play

Building renders should be up today

Orx are been worked on, but will be up only when they feel the models are up to our expectations

There will be better/ more redesign on the frontpage to make the project focus more evident and there will be more streachgoals in advance

Forge Fathers and Asterians will get a blitz of updates to bring them in line with the other starters

There will be some solution to the second wave shipping posted today

Female enforcer(s?) are in.... ok ok this did not need a bullet point, but I am glad there was an announcement about them

There was also discussion about customization packs of heads and gear, a push in getting more coverage about it, versions of infected and not infected of characters, Dr Simmonds been the spotlight but were not that well received as an idea by the community snd discussion of more "Mantic Value" in the project so more models.

Sorry if I missed something.

Excellent summary - thank you very much for mining that out of the Abyss that is the Comments Section!

Well, with that Maki "plastic crate" KS seemingly being a bit of a joke, I'm in for Mantic's $100 terrain pladge.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, with that Maki "plastic crate" KS seemingly being a bit of a joke, I'm in for Mantic's $100 terrain pladge.

What makes it a joke?

The price?

It is rather expensive for what you get - especially as it is for what are essentially 'shipping containers'.

The market for AT-43 versions on eBay is on the high side, which seems to have influenced their pricing?