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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 12:49:59
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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"Hard Plastic" Enforcers would really make this thing take off, I'd think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 13:11:40
Subject: Re:Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Has Mantic said who will be handling the plastic production for the Zombies/Enforcers yet? Im hoping that they won't be using the same Chinese company that was responsible for those horrible plastic KoW Goblins...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 13:13:21
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Alpharius wrote:"Hard Plastic" Enforcers would really make this thing take off, I'd think.
Agreed on that one. It would probably also help Warpath a lot in the interim as well, I think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 13:16:22
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Alpharius wrote:"Hard Plastic" Enforcers would really make this thing take off, I'd think.
I tend to agree. Although, I feel they should start with the "basic" Enforcers first, and not the heavies. I will get one or two squads of the heavies, but I would get at least 5 squads of the basic ones. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
They may not want to do that because it they already have the Restic ones though. Plus, Terminator proxies would probably sell well.
~Eric
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 13:51:48
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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I have to say it - After checking out the Blaine artwork, I find myself thinking "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy". I think DZ is tripping the little kid in me that loves Star Wars. I never cared for the Star Wars CMG, but I can see where DZ would have a very SW feel. Minus the whole Jedi/Sith thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 14:08:06
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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scarletsquig wrote:Plenty more goals to knock down, hopefully not everyone waits until the last 24 hours. 
This will now be exactly what I wait for...  To make it up to you I'll make sure to use your sig link.
Also didn't you say the hard plastic Enforcers were hinted to be the big guys like the captain (i.e. - not-terminators) instead of the rank-and-file? I wouldn't mind the big guys, just want to make sure my expectation level is properly adjusted.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 16:00:26
Subject: Re:Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Fixture of Dakka
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More Stretch Goals smashed! So, what's next?
Update #59 · May 26, 2013 · 30 comments
Wahey – that’s the Deadzone Compendium Stretch Goal swatted aside, great work guys!
We'll now include a free digital copy with every pledge!
Not only that, but we’ve broken through 3,000 backers, an amazing milestone, meaning that we can now write a brand new scenario for the Nexus Psi campaign - your new Deadzone Compendium has just gotten bigger!
You can now add on a printed version of the book in the add-ons:
However, don’t forget that our Deadzone Veterans get a free printed Veteran version of the Compendium, signed by Ronnie with a personal message of thanks, with an exclusive limited edition front cover:
So, how’s the best way to become a Veteran?
Assault Team ($290) is increasingly getting better and better value – not only do you get 2 of every faction, you also get two deluxe gaming mats, a shed load of scenery and two free faction starters of your choice - meaning you could pick up the Asterian and Forge Father Faction Starters.
From there, you could perhaps add on the Expanded Universe Faction Bundle, doubling up on the Asterians and Forge Fathers, breaking through the $300 and getting you your free Veteran Edition Deadzone Compendium!
This leads us on nicely to our next stretch goals:
Currently funding:
$610,000 - Insane Zombie Rules
Up Next:
$635,000 - Plague Zombies
New Stretch Goal:
$650,000 – NEW Asterian and Forge Father specialists
Asterian Black Talon
Asterians employ a range of specially equipped Cypher-units on the battlefield, each controlled by an operator aboard a cloaked Starship. Lithe and dextrous, only the most capable Asterian pilots command a Black Talon unit, a nimble jet-pack equipped Cypher. Like vultures they circle the battlefield, committing to deadly strafing runs with their rapid-fire Flux Rifles at the call of their commander.
Work In Progress Concept Art - we think some winglets around the legs are needed. What are your thoughts?
Forge Father Brokkr with Muspell-pattern Rifle
Forge Fathers know better than to be left wanting in a fight and, in addition to the Forge Guard entourage a ship may carry, the armoury is stocked with heavy duty weapons. Too powerful for a Brokkr to use without power-assisted Aesir armour, a modified version of the Heat Cannon called the Muspell is used instead.
When the Brokkrs are forced into a fight, they do so with devastating fire power at their fingertips.
Sample Concept Art for illustrative purposes only.
If we hit this goal, we will be able to sculpt and tool:
- The Asterian Black Talon specialist and add it to the Asterian Faction Starter!
- A new Forge Father Brokkr with Heat Cannon and add it to the Forge Father Faction Starter!
This goal adds more variety and options to the Expanded Universe Factions, fleshing out the troop choices they have at their disposal - add on the Faction Starter Bundle and help us get these brand new troops locked in!
Not only that but the following are now available to add-on to your pledge:
- Deadzone Compendium - $10
- Plague Zombies (20 Figures) - $15
- Nastanza, Twilight Huntress - $8
- Recon Unit N32-19 - $8
- Doctor Gayle Simmonds - $8
- 2 Asterian Weapon Drones with Fission Beam, Force Cannon and Shield Generator - $8
- 1 Forge Father Inferno Drill and 1 Crew Member - $8
- Asterian Black Talon ($5)
- Forge Father Brokkr with Heat Cannon ($5)
Download our Add-ons Guide to see the full range of extras we have available to add on to your pledge!
There's even more to come after this with plastic counters, new unique characters, solo play and faction starter booster sets all coming before the end of the campaign - let's see how many stretches we can breeze past today.
Get to it troops - and please spread the word, we're into the last week!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 16:04:35
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Mantic is at a bit of a crossroads with Deadzone, at least for me.
Kings of War is suffering from a bad transition from concept art to actual miniatures.
Dreadball suffered from some really bad quality Restic miniatures making it out into the wild.
Deadzone has already had one misstep in terms of concept art to miniature in the Orx Marauder figures.
Now, there's not much faulting Mantic's customer service in terms of trying to accommodate people that want to switch things up if they don't like the look of miniatures that previously only existed as art, or in replacing defective casts, but...
IF there are similar problems with Deadzone, I'll pretty much be done with Mantic - and certainly won't support Warpath when it is announced/Kickstartered/released.
Which would be a shame, as Mantic has a golden opportunity to really grab some market share now...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 16:29:30
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Does dreadball have such big issues though?
I will agree on realization of concept art to reality is an issue and they seem to have generally fixed it, but still have slip ups and dreadzone will be a huge test for them.
But the casting, are the miscasts percentage bigger than what is expected from the sector? they said they will go to tighten the quality control.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 16:40:06
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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PsychoticStorm wrote:Does dreadball have such big issues though?
I will agree on realization of concept art to reality is an issue and they seem to have generally fixed it, but still have slip ups and dreadzone will be a huge test for them.
But the casting, are the miscasts percentage bigger than what is expected from the sector? they said they will go to tighten the quality control.
No idea, but if they've said they're going to tighten QC, well, maybe the problems were a bit more widespread than they should have been?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 16:51:19
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Thermo-Optical Spekter
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the story so far is the first dreadball had issues because the machines were run faster than they should in order to meet the deadline, mantic directed their contractors to run machines at normal speed so season 2 should have no such issues, it seems this didn't happen and they will go over there to tighten their control.
Who knows why this happened, I read here that the factory may had taken another order from another entity and despite mantic paying for normal speed they seeded them in order to shove the extra order in their time schedule, speculation of course but it may happened.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 17:20:14
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Alpharius wrote: PsychoticStorm wrote:Does dreadball have such big issues though?
I will agree on realization of concept art to reality is an issue and they seem to have generally fixed it, but still have slip ups and dreadzone will be a huge test for them.
But the casting, are the miscasts percentage bigger than what is expected from the sector? they said they will go to tighten the quality control.
No idea, but if they've said they're going to tighten QC, well, maybe the problems were a bit more widespread than they should have been?
You could easily say that any problems related to an issue you had previously mentioned to your supplier as being more widespread than they should have been though.
My DreadBall stuff has been mostly just fine. The worst was the robots who had some considerable flash, and I had to straighten 3 Judwan and John Doe (a whole 5 minutes, mostly heating water) and one female human striker didn't seem to want to go together. Other than that, the models have been good and 10 "work" jobs out of just shy of 100 models isn't bad; not awesome of course but not enough to cause me to have grave misgivings.
In general, the only gripe I have with the physical aspects is models being twisted off sprues rather than snipped. As far as concept matching art, that's obviously a more subjective area. For DreadBall I feel they have stayed within a reasonable tolerance, though some KoW stuff has been quite...odd. The models we've seen for the non-marauder factions have been pretty close to the concepts though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 17:40:02
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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No.
Than again, most of my buddies could wait for DreadBall's retail release, pick up the stuff they like by looking at the miniatures on the actual release, or get release-mega-bundle deals that were almost as good a deal as the KS-pledges, and still have 2 or 3 weeks to paint their stuff before (!) my KS-stuff even shipped.
I don't find the DreadBall stuff bad. I really enjoy most of it. But if there's one thing I learned from DreadBall it's that there's no advantage with Mantic to buying the pig in a poke.
The - in my humble opinion - way to super-charge this Kickstarter would be for Mantic to give a Kingdom-Death-style guarantee that KS-backers get served first, no matter what (Chinese delays and all) and no Deadzone stuff will be on sale - including on events, Christmas if it has to be - until (random number) 4 weeks after the very last KS-package has left the warehouse.
Not gonna happen though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 17:52:15
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Probably more accurate to say "Who knows?"
Krinsath wrote: Alpharius wrote: PsychoticStorm wrote:Does dreadball have such big issues though?
I will agree on realization of concept art to reality is an issue and they seem to have generally fixed it, but still have slip ups and dreadzone will be a huge test for them.
But the casting, are the miscasts percentage bigger than what is expected from the sector? they said they will go to tighten the quality control.
No idea, but if they've said they're going to tighten QC, well, maybe the problems were a bit more widespread than they should have been?
You could easily say that any problems related to an issue you had previously mentioned to your supplier as being more widespread than they should have been though.
My DreadBall stuff has been mostly just fine. The worst was the robots who had some considerable flash, and I had to straighten 3 Judwan and John Doe (a whole 5 minutes, mostly heating water) and one female human striker didn't seem to want to go together. Other than that, the models have been good and 10 "work" jobs out of just shy of 100 models isn't bad; not awesome of course but not enough to cause me to have grave misgivings.
A 10% defect rate in the customer's hands would not work in any of the various industries I've worked in...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 18:15:14
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Pious Warrior Priest
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PsychoticStorm wrote:the story so far is the first dreadball had issues because the machines were run faster than they should in order to meet the deadline, mantic directed their contractors to run machines at normal speed so season 2 should have no such issues, it seems this didn't happen and they will go over there to tighten their control.
Who knows why this happened, I read here that the factory may had taken another order from another entity and despite mantic paying for normal speed they seeded them in order to shove the extra order in their time schedule, speculation of course but it may happened.
Entirely possible, they paid the factory in advance to deliver the first wave of dreadball with all the printing and casting done, in fully shrink-wrapped retail boxes.
What *actually* arrived from China was all the seperate components in a million different parts, and no counters, resulting in pretty much no-one in the company getting any sleep for a month as they scrambled to assemble everything and find a new printer at really short notice to make sure DB didn't miss its shipping deadline.
Not something the consumer cares about at the end of the day, mind. IMO, they'd be better off using one of the many startup companies in the UK offering digital CNC + hard plastic tooling.
Money for tooling costs isn't really an issue as long as you have kickstarter and a captive audience highly eager to pay for that magical combination of low pricing *and* quality.
Not gonna happen though.
Have you asked them if it will or not?
I will never understand defeatist (and absolute) statements when you have easy access to click on a button and directly ask the people running the company anything you like.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 18:44:05
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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The New Miss Macross!
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Zweischneid wrote:
No.
Than again, most of my buddies could wait for DreadBall's retail release, pick up the stuff they like by looking at the miniatures on the actual release, or get release-mega-bundle deals that were almost as good a deal as the KS-pledges, and still have 2 or 3 weeks to paint their stuff before (!) my KS-stuff even shipped.
That happened? Very poor form indeed. Kickstarter backers should recieve their stuff first before anyone else as they paid first prior to any other customers or retail chain members. Following these various kickstarter threads has definitely worsened my opinion of mantic. Poor qc, multiple bad or purposefully variant transitions from concept art to model, and now mercenary shipping to stores prior to fullfilling their existing obligations to maximize profit. Prior to a few months ago, the only bad thing I had seen or heard about them was the goofy looking elven dragon model they put out years before. The above moves are something I'd expect for Gw and not mantic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 18:55:05
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Pious Warrior Priest
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^ Actually in the case of Dreadball, retail stores were the existing obligation.
They put money down on Dreadball orders before the kickstarter even existed.
Which is why I'm saying "ask Mantic and get a statement out of them if it's a concern".
None of the wave 1 shipments for Dreadball were late, they were delivered on the date listed on the kickstarter page.
If you want to wait for retail because you're certain that Mantic will ship to retail in November, and to backers in December, and immediacy is more important to you than discount, then wait for the retail release. That's your opinion and your decision to make.
Also, for the record, pretty much everything from the KoW kickstarter is shipping to backers either just before or up to 3-6 months before it will be appearing in retail stores.
Following these various kickstarter threads has definitely worsened my opinion of mantic
They're not half as bad as the echo chamber that these threads create would have you believe. That doesn't mean they don't have flaws, but the often-repeated "deliberate malicious intent" as the reasons for those flaws quite simply doesn't bear any relation to reality whatsoever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 19:17:59
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Alpharius wrote:
A 10% defect rate in the customer's hands would not work in any of the various industries I've worked in...
And if we're going to include "under 3 minutes to correct the issue(s)" as "defects", most of the manufacturers in the industry would have rates just as bad, if not much worse.
The worst was the robots, and overall they were no worse than cleaning up a metal GW kit and still better than more than a few FineCast ones. FineCast has its reputation for a reason though...
warboss wrote:That happened? Very poor form indeed. Kickstarter backers should recieve their stuff first before anyone else as they paid first prior to any other customers or retail chain members. Following these various kickstarter threads has definitely worsened my opinion of mantic. Poor qc, multiple bad or purposefully variant transitions from concept art to model, and now mercenary shipping to stores prior to fullfilling their existing obligations to maximize profit. Prior to a few months ago, the only had thing I had seen or heard was the goofy looking elven dragon model they put out years before. The above moves are something I'd expect for Gw and not mantic.
I'd contest the timeframe involved, but I have no local retailers to definitively refute that. 2 to 3 weeks of lag seems a bit much (but it could be the difference in nation; US naturally takes longer than UK) and, as Squig pointed out, we have no proof that those retailers weren't big backers themselves. You'll notice the DZ one has a pledge level specifically for retailers. Factor in additional contracts with some retail/distribution partners (whose support of Mantic likely pre-dates the KSes) and it's less a "we want all the money" and more "we want to be on good terms with the FLGS" (a decidedly non- GW move). Remember, many retailers hate KS because they cannot compete on the price and it's a crap shoot on if their clientele got it cheap from KS or if there's enough market left to be worth the money. Some store owners won't carry products that were Kickstartered for this reason.
An olive branch to that sector given the already-thin margins overall in there is far from "maximizing profits"; they likely make about the same money in the end. Given that they never said "we will ship this to you first" and they are in a position to have to honor existing agreements with distributors/retailers (unlike KD who does it all themselves online), it's no where near the asshattery of say taking a 10 model kit for $38 and turning it into a 5 model kit for $35. They're not perfect, but they've done reasonably well in trying to keep things up.
Most importantly, they're the only KS I've backed that hasn't missed their delivery window (jury still out on KD:M, naturally). They were on-time/early for the first shipment and on-time for the second with the third shaping up to be the same.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 21:55:49
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Krinsath wrote:as Squig pointed out, we have no proof that those retailers weren't big backers themselves. You'll notice the DZ one has a pledge level specifically for retailers.
Well, with DreadBall at least they weren't backers. They were simply retailers ordering stock. That's actually how a list of the first handful of DreadBall stretchgoals were leaked. Someone posted a retailer-order list which had a fair few on them before they were "funded" or even announced on the Kickstarter.
Even if they would've been Backers though, through a retailer-pledge, they shouldn't get it massively earlier than other Backers though, but roughly at the same time (give or take a few days).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 22:27:40
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Zweischneid wrote: Krinsath wrote:as Squig pointed out, we have no proof that those retailers weren't big backers themselves. You'll notice the DZ one has a pledge level specifically for retailers.
Well, with DreadBall at least they weren't backers. They were simply retailers ordering stock. That's actually how a list of the first handful of DreadBall stretchgoals were leaked. Someone posted a retailer-order list which had a fair few on them before they were "funded" or even announced on the Kickstarter.
Even if they would've been Backers though, through a retailer-pledge, they shouldn't get it massively earlier than other Backers though, but roughly at the same time (give or take a few days).
Yeah, your case in particular seems quite odd really from your other postings; it's almost like it would have been faster for you to drive to Nottingham to get it (since you have that option unlike the international backers). Out of curiosity, was Season 2 the same delay or roughly in line with retail shipments?
I ask because as we know now their supplier for DB really messed them up. If a distributor prior to the KS signed up for 400 copies to be delivered by December then that becomes the priority. An ink-signed contract carries infinitely more weight than a KickStarter pledge, and I think that mix-up with their supplier really screwed them over on meeting those contracts and getting the KS out. I would expect that to be a one-time thing and not impact DeadZone at all though, but obviously if you experienced the same delay on Season 2 that would not be the case.
All that said, I'm leaning much more towards supporting DZ in a big way and then just getting some Enforcer kit from the eventual WarPath KS. Having just spent the past couple hours taking advantage of the goregous weather to primer some Cadians reminded me that I have a lot of proxy models on hand for WarPath...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/26 23:41:43
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Alpharius wrote:Mantic is at a bit of a crossroads with Deadzone, at least for me.
Kings of War is suffering from a bad transition from concept art to actual miniatures.
Dreadball suffered from some really bad quality Restic miniatures making it out into the wild.
Deadzone has already had one misstep in terms of concept art to miniature in the Orx Marauder figures.
Now, there's not much faulting Mantic's customer service in terms of trying to accommodate people that want to switch things up if they don't like the look of miniatures that previously only existed as art, or in replacing defective casts, but...
IF there are similar problems with Deadzone, I'll pretty much be done with Mantic - and certainly won't support Warpath when it is announced/Kickstartered/released.
Which would be a shame, as Mantic has a golden opportunity to really grab some market share now...
I'm not entirely sure the degree to which Mantic appreciates how widespread this attitude may be. For the most part, Mantic has been a " promising" company, that is, a company that may be great, might be good or might be crap.
The single descriptor that seems to be applicable to Mantic and their products right now is inconsistent.
Just look at the KoW sculpts and compare "Damon Richardson's Basilean Lord"
To the Sisterhood troopers and Lancers
One of the biggest problems is the appearance that they have very limited "tier 1" sculpting time, and it gets allocated to the characters... which seems rather self defeating, since the enormous hunger is for good looking rank and file troopers that are affordable.
Although in fairness they seem to share this attitude with GW at least, who seem perfectly fine with selling infantry units sculpted years ago alongside new, big money kits.
To get back to the point, the problem is that Mantic is still quite reliant on KS funds to flesh out their lines, and inconsistency is brutal for KS campaigns. If they have another "oops" moment like the first pictures of the Orx, they may find they have finally poisoned the well when they go back for Warpath or whatever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/27 01:05:44
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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The use of 3D sculpting is making me feel slightly better backing Deadzone as you can get a much better idea of the finished sculpt from a 3D render than concept art. Also, a lot of the figures that aren't 3D renders have already been sculpted, so it is much easier to see what you are getting than in KOW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/27 01:29:56
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Wasn't the whole DB issue simply because the season 1 shipment consisted of some MVPs etc that hadn't arrived yet? So while the shops could get the core set, nobody had the full s1 package.
Also, I think quite a few people were happy to receive their s1 shipment when they did because originally, there were supposed to be 2 backer tier shipments scheduled apart because of worry about the qty of the first print run, with the 2nd shipment being 1-2 months later. Yet, Mantic managed to deliver both tiers at the same time and on time. And when you consider what they went through to get the first tier out on time, they could have just said 'meh, screw this, I need some sleep. These guy know they're going to wait for theirs anyway' but they didn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/27 01:42:23
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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I'm less and less excited about this the closer it gets to closing. I think I'm dropping to just terrain since I could use that for sure. The models I'm just not convinced I couldn't get them cheaper or at an equal value later (similar to how KoW wound up).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/27 02:15:43
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Sining wrote:Wasn't the whole DB issue simply because the season 1 shipment consisted of some MVPs etc that hadn't arrived yet? So while the shops could get the core set, nobody had the full s1 package.
Mantic did give that explanation, yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/27 02:48:23
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Lansirill wrote:Sining wrote:Wasn't the whole DB issue simply because the season 1 shipment consisted of some MVPs etc that hadn't arrived yet? So while the shops could get the core set, nobody had the full s1 package.
Mantic did give that explanation, yes.
Wasn't Mantic so much as Jake, who's technically a freelancer I believe? I know Squig will be along to confirm or deny that. He was the one who detailed the supply failures and Mantic's response to said enormous failures (which amounted to "  it! We'll do it live!" as they hand-packed every box and still got it out by the KS estimated dates).
While the outcome was unfortunate in that retail got theirs before backers on Season 1 (again, I'm curious on Season 2), I think the other side of the story does illustrate how serious Mantic takes their fulfillment. A lot of companies would have just informed the backers of a delay and sorted it in due time, especially since most people expect that in a KS anymore. Mantic did not, and while they didn't do it perfectly, let's at least give them that bit of credit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/27 02:57:41
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Lansirill wrote:Sining wrote:Wasn't the whole DB issue simply because the season 1 shipment consisted of some MVPs etc that hadn't arrived yet? So while the shops could get the core set, nobody had the full s1 package.
Mantic did give that explanation, yes.
Well, does anyone remember seeing all the s1 minis in shops at that time?
They actually got it out before ETA for the wave2 backers, who were expected to get theirs in Jan/Feb.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/27 04:24:21
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Hulksmash wrote:I'm less and less excited about this the closer it gets to closing. I think I'm dropping to just terrain since I could use that for sure. The models I'm just not convinced I couldn't get them cheaper or at an equal value later (similar to how KoW wound up).
I am right there with you. Plus the fact that only a couple people at the store I go to would even bother to try to play, and I will never get it together and painted anyways.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/27 07:24:10
Subject: Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Krinsath wrote:
I ask because as we know now their supplier for DB really messed them up. If a distributor prior to the KS signed up for 400 copies to be delivered by December then that becomes the priority. An ink-signed contract carries infinitely more weight than a KickStarter pledge, and I think that mix-up with their supplier really screwed them over on meeting those contracts and getting the KS out. I would expect that to be a one-time thing and not impact DeadZone at all though, but obviously if you experienced the same delay on Season 2 that would not be the case.
Yes. It was the Season 2 delay that got me a bit mad (leading me to post some less-than-ideally-thought-through posts here).
With Season 1, I accepted the "China-messed-up" story. It's Kickstarter and things are expected to be rough around the edges. Being served the exact same story for Season 2 felt ... off.
That said, as was repeatedly pointed out to me, Mantic never mentioned in any way that KS-backers would be the first to get it. So my indignation wasn't based on anything tangible, merely on what I "thought" the "proper" sequence would be.
And before anyone jumps in again saying it's not a "big issue"... it is not. I still enjoy my DreadBall stuff. I'll not be abandoning Mantic for a few moves I don't agree with (just like I haven't abandoned GW despite many things I don't agree with). But even the little things need mentioning IMO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/27 07:32:43
Subject: Re:Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - $635k goal: Hard plastic Plague Zombies, +5 free for all $150 backers.
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Back on topic
http://quirkworthy.com/ wrote:
Dead in Deadzone
Zombies in Deadzone aren’t your traditional animated corpses. Really they should be called “zombies” because that’s just a nickname. However, they behave so similarly to the monsters from the old fashioned horror vids that most Corporation citizens wouldn’t argue about the niceties of the details. They shamble about in the tattered remains of their clothing, drooling, raving and attacking people (then eating them). Zombies seems pretty fair.
What they really are is the in-betweenies of the Plague infections. When Stage 2 Plague beasts fail to kill their victims outright then the survivors are usually infected anyway. Many more of them will die from this mutagen – the transformation is not kind. The “lucky” ones will survive the change to become Stage 3 Plague creatures and will romp off to join the merry band of mutants, ransacking the burning remnants of the civilisation they helped to build. Those that do not die, but fail to entirely survive the transformation, are left with pain, fury and mush for brains. These are the “zombies”.
They are far too stupid to be commanded in battle in any normal fashion and will merrily attack anyone from any faction. For this reason they are just as much trouble for the Plague that spawned them as for the Enforcers or Forge Fathers.
I’ve not finalised the rules yet, but the general idea is to have them bimble about the battlefield in large numbers, causing trouble for both sides. It’s an AI system, but given that the zombies have only the barest minimum of “I” in the first place the simplified version in the game won’t be terribly smart. And that suits them just perfectly
Dead Good
What is particularly good news about these zombies (apart from the cool rules and campaign) is the new models being planned. The concepts at the top of this page are what Mantic are aiming for, and I think they look pretty good. They will be moulded in hard plastic rather than resin-plastic, which is also good (it’s my favourite modelling medium), and the plan is to make them so that they are interchangeable with the existing Mantic zombies and ghouls from the Kings of War range. By mixing and matching between these sprues you’ll be able to build a great mix of poses and gear for a really shambolic and random zombie horde.
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