Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - Completed! - $1,216,482 final total.

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**Black Nexus**

does seem like more and more people are waiting until the end and boom then it goes. Would be impressed if it's bigger than the first day though, that was a mega result.

**GrimDork**

Seems like there are a lot of miniatures kickstarters, people maybe are just waiting to see if something more exciting comes along, where they just stick to the sweet spot pledge or drop out instead of going all-in.

I think we can beat the 170k or whatever it was on day 1. I guess maybe i'm rolling the last day or two together though. I would be ecstatic if we could get our heads down and bullrush 1m.

**Alpharius**

The last two days will probably at a minimum equal the first tow days, if not 2x them.

IF they have the 'right' stretch goals, of course!

**JoshInJapan**

Huh. We blew through three stretch goals to get to the rules for zombies, but now that zombies are actually on the table, pledging has slowed down. Are there that many people sitting on a pile of unused SW Strain models...?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I suspect the reason you blew through stretches to reach the zombies was folk adding the cash for the zombies before they were achieved.

So most existing backs don't need to add more money, and it's all down to recruiting new folk again

**scarletsquig**

There's a lack of good add-ons with this one, at this point Dreadball was rolling out completionist upgrades for season 1 teams as well as having the extra teams themselves as BOGOF deals.

We have the terrain on this, but there aren't any bundle deals for it, it's all $25/battlezone (pretty much), so.. who really knows how that will compare to the retail release?

Then there's the mercs which look to be roughly in line with Dreadball MVPs at their current price, so not much incentive to add them. Starter factions.. no idea what these will contain at retail, or their price.

Needs super-value bundle deal for all the mercs not included in Strike Team.
Needs super-value bundle deal for the specialists not included in Strike Team.

In fact a "any 2 factions for $50" bundle would be pretty sweet too, the EU bundle worked great since it is a good value add-on, can't see the harm in applying that to all factions.

The main issue is, the add-ons have to at least somewhat compete with simply going for assault team... which is a reasonable option, but does tend to result in a few more duplicates than the average backer might want.

The rules previews haven't really indicated whether or not the duplicated and extra minis will be made useful or not. In Dreadball, this was xrystal clear, if you wanted to play a team, you really ideally wanted 16 players in that team to fill out all of your gameplay options for different positions which made expanding the team quite an easy choice.

It's possible that Mantic are aiming for a slightly lower total on this than its potential, after the pain of having to make a loss of 10k minimum on the KoW kickstarter, which is fine too, I think they know they struggle to cope if things get too big, which this KS easily could have done.

I don't mind if they only make kickstarters with no stretch goal freebies at all and only a nice, simple hefty discount on all the new minis that get produced. I'd still happily back that kind of structure as long as I was able to make a good call on the value.

**PsychoticStorm**

It probably half because of people adding for the zombies and half of been holidays in the UK and US.

**Widdershinz**

I'd really like to see some mock ups of the other battlezones. The image of how much of the core world set can cover a table was great, something like that for the others would sell me up. The fort zone doesn't look like you'd get much out of it comparatively.

**edlowe**

The lack of addons is certainly damaging the pledge total.

Bundle deals for warpath players to pick up larger units would certainly be welcome.

To be honest im staring at the screen waiting for the list of stretch goals that Ronnie promised the other night. If we knew what was coming in the next 100k it would drive enthusiasm and let us see more clearly where the games heading.

**PsychoticStorm**

scarletsquig I will agree with this, problem is for once there are only two mercs not included in the strike team and the completionists packs are waiting for streachgoals....

**scarletsquig**

Oh, and 100 zombies for $60 would probably get more than a few people going nuts on them. I've bought hard plastic from mantic at less than that price before, and it was very, very enjoyable.

**highlord tamburlaine**

It needs something to get things pumping for the next few days.

Warpath bundles, zombie bundles, those factions boosters we've heard about yet haven't seen, a roadmap of where those funds are going to take us... we just need more.

I just wonder how much longer they want to tease us with snippets and glimpses of things to come? Things are starting to wind down.

With less than a week I hope they lay all their cards out on the table soon.

**Alpharius**

Widdershinz wrote:
I'd really like to see some mock ups of the other battlezones.

More clarity/examples on what you can do with the various terrain types would be helpful...

**Compel**

I'm sort of agreeing. I'm sitting on a fairly high value pledge right now and... There simply isn't enough stuff for it to be filled out.

I don't need a load of terrain - I've spent the last 10 years buying terrain. (And yet, I still went for an extra 2 battlezones over strike team for variation).

Zombies? Bought 80 of them in Halloween
Table? Bought a table years ago
Paints and hobby stuff? Bought years ago.

That basically just leaves the EU factions, some specialist dudes and the urban detailing kits. - Which I'm kinda iffy about because I'm not sure how well they'll blend in with my desert based battlefield...

**edlowe**

I think scarlet squigs right, theres no big exciting offers to pull people in. Everything seems very nice but its not really at the crazy levels I thought it would be.

Dont get me wrong im very happy with whats in strike at the moment but it does seem like there could be another 200k in the bank if the options were there for bundle deals and bogof.

**darkPrince010**

Right now I'm only in for $20: The rules and an Enforcer Captain (The original, better imo one) as it's about the cost of retail elsewhere anyways.

Problem is I have no home or tabletop space for terrain (So anything above the $40 mark is starting to look like money spent for unneeded, if cool, terrain), and I have my stupidly-massive Bones KS in the wings here within the month or so so I have no shortage of figures.

Worst of all is that I just don't feel I'm getting the value out of the minis I would be getting (Terrain, definitely, but see my above sentence on storage space/need). Right now it's approximately $30 for 15 minis, and I don't think it's enough to be worth my currently-tight budget monies.

In the KoW KS the BOGOF offers were incredible values, and I'm still-now kicking myself for not budgeting more towards Elohi, Trolls, Ogres, and even the battle nuns for Sisters of Sigmar proxies. However, I have yet to see anything like this from the DZ KS, with the closest being the BOGO42%O ("Buy-One-Get-One-42%-Off") of the EU bundle. Maybe the KoW BOGOF was a terrible idea that cost Mantic money and wasn't something they wanted to repeat, but right now the pricepoint is turning me off of pledging any higher.

I'm really disappointed by this as I really want to support Mantic more, but I can't afford to pay GW prices for minis, even for a company I really like, at this point in time. If they pop out BOGOF offers here in the next few days then I will be a happy camper and most likely be seeing if I can squeeze more blood from the turnip of a paycheck I'm working with, but until then I'm sitting with just a rulebook, a mini, and a lot of hopes.

**edlowe**

New update seems to imply there will be better offers and deals coming soon!

**adamsouza**

I think Striker is a good value
5 Teams + Terrain + Gaming Mat + Personalities(3?) + Dice + Cards + zombies(5)

The only thing I'm more concerned with is only ordering stuff from Wave 1. I'm slightly annoyed with still waiting for stuff that goes with my Wave 1 Dreadball Teams a year later in Wave 3 (extra figures, prone figures)

**PsychoticStorm**

I guess I will drop the update

Big on Miniatures

We are half way to securing the Hard Plastic Plague Zombies (Seriously, $15 for 20, you just can’t go wrong!) so it’s time for our next, next, next goal… yup, if Asterian and Forge Father Specialists AND Wrath wasn’t enough…

$675,000 – BIG Games!!

We will write rules for playing Large Skirmish Games!

This new mode of playing allows you to:

Play on a larger battlefield

Two-player games with more than one mat as a battlefield. Playing lengthways down a two-mat battlefield gives a different type of game as there is a longer approach/position phase, plus long ranged weapons play more of a role. It’s also possible to use light vehicles as there is enough space and ground to cover.

It’s possible to play on a 4’x4’ Battlefield or even a 6’x4’!

You’ll also be wanting some longer ranged troops …

Play cooperatively with a friend, or against many friends

Usually on more than one mat, but possible to play on a single one. These games pit teams of players against other teams of players – in effect taking a large two-player game and breaking each side down into sub-commands. Introduces an element of co-op play into Deadzone. Even though each side shares a common goal they also retain separate missions for the sub-commands.

You’ll also be wanting to expand your force beyond your initial faction starter (you may want to pick up a second one, or look out for our Faction Boosters for games played on four or more mats) so some sergeant-level models will be coming up...check out Jake's Force Organisation post for more details of how to construct your force.

If we hit this goal, we will add a free digital copy of the rules for playing larger skirmish games to all pledge levels by including them in the Compendium.

This includes both multi-player and multi-mat modes. You don't have to use both, you could for instance use multi-player on a standard 2'x2' board and have your friends join in. Similarly, you could combine the two new modes with the experience-driven linked campaign system already included in the Core Rulebook to create some truly epic multi-player, multi-mat games where your squad grows in experience and power - the choice is yours!!

Preparing for Big Games

With larger games on the horizon and the prospect of playing on multiple mats, we have some deals available so that you can get multiple Deluxe Gaming Mats - and then you'll be wanting more scenery to go on top of that!

After that we have the Faction Boosters coming up PLUS some cool new deals designed to boost your starting force…stay tuned!

Until tomorrow fine folks Let's see if we can get those Zombies in!

Interesting is the shaded image pic name goblin weapon teams.

**Yonan**

darkPrince010 wrote:
Problem is I have no home or tabletop space for terrain.

That's something I like about the terrain in this KS though - it's modular and can be disassembled into space efficient stacks of walls and bags of connectors. You could collapse the entire tabletop of terrain down into a very small area. Which also means, every time you use it you'll assemble it in a new way which is also great ; )

Edit: Looking forward to the rules for the large games. If they can keep it similar yet still play different, it will make for a great variety of gameplay depending on what you feel like.

**darkPrince010**

Yonan wrote:
darkPrince010 wrote:
Problem is I have no home or tabletop space for terrain.

That's something I like about the terrain in this KS though - it's modular and can be disassembled into space efficient stacks of walls and bags of connectors. You could collapse the entire tabletop of terrain down into a very small area. Which also means, every time you use it you'll assemble it in a new way which is also great ; )

Trust me, I don't even have space for that! I have minis almost overflowing from my cupboards,and they certainly will be overflowing once the Bones KS arrives.

The thing is I really don't need the terrain, and the Bones KS has heavily diluted my thirst for minis. As a result, I'm only really looking at springing for them if a ridiculous deal pops up (The zombies are a contender atm, but not definite yet for me personally as I have lots of fantasy ones at home), and so far nothing stands out at me.

Now, if there was a $60 deal for two factions, rules/chits/paper maps, and no terrain, or $100 for all four factions, the game stuff, and no terrain, I'd be looking at them more heavily as the unlocks start to make it more like $1/model rather than $2/model, but right now I'd be paying for a lot of terrain I wouldn't need for any pledge over $40. Hopefully they might introduce a reverse-Terrain pledge, but I dunno.

**scarletsquig**

^ I'm in at $140 EB + secret weapon Deadzone board currently (this thing is seriously good, take another look at it if you haven't already, it is getting proper 3" tiles, custom-produced for deadzone and the person making them *really* knows what he's doing).

I have another $150 or so worth of add-on potential before the survey ends if it looks like a good deal. There would be room for more than that too if it wasn't for also dropping $185 on the KoW survey (big spending month for me and Mantic

).

The 2x2 board is appealing for me since it means that not a lot of effort is required to cram it full of terrain, and paint all of that terrain to an extremely high standard, I can see myself with a very sweet looking plastic board + full terrain set for this.

I already know what I'm going to do with it. There's not going to be any grey whatsoever on the board.

I'd like to get a "full set" for the Rebs.

I'd also like to add $50 to get some ruins battlezones, but have some concerns about the concept art, which just looks like a carbon copy of the core worlds sprues at the moment, with a few small bullet holes and minor scratches on it rather than being actually "ruined" in the same way that the GW terrain is.

So, that's 2 major add-ons that I'm firmly in "wait and see" mode on.

We're not getting the new faction stuff until the post-$675k mark, so things are likely to remain pretty slow until the last 48 hours, at which point the rush of pledges will unlock all the add-ons that people have been waiting for.

**PsychoticStorm**

Unless mantic does something to fix that.

The blank streachgoals are intriguing, they seem to save up in order to make shorter streachgoals later, not sure if this is the best strategy, worked well on the start, but flattened momentum in the middle, now?

**scarletsquig**

^ The forgefathers/asterians kinda turned things into molasses, and I think I know why.

They marked the point at which strike team stopped getting a steady stream of freebies, and the project started to do too many different things at once.

Ideally, the goals should have already finished off the starting 4 factions 100% by now.

They went a bit too early with the forgefathers/asterians and the terrain expansions. Not enough focus on the core.

The "1 choice of faction free" + weird shipping stuff* if you want that to be one of the new ones thing also made things confusing as well as making people doubt the value that would be offered.

Mantic would have been better off doing something like "Strike Team booster unlocked!" +$25 gets you TWO new factions, forgefathers and asterians, which will be boosted with stretch goals!

*Everyone* currently on strike would have added that as a "no brainer" add-on, and it would have been exactly the same deal that the EU bundle currently offers.. it's just that the wording and marketing would have been a hell of a lot more appealing.

*I spent a LOT of time banging on like a broken record on the Mantic forums before this KS started about "don't make people pay separate shipping, it is boring and confusing", so seeing a confusing-as-hell shipping .pdf rear its head in the middle of the campaign was a bit of a facepalm moment.

**H.B.M.C.**

Clearly Mantic are in damage control*.

*Sorry, it's just that everyone says that whenever it appears something goes wrong, and I just wanted to say it once.

**warboss**

scarletsquig wrote:

They went a bit too early with the forgefathers/asterians and the terrain expansions. Not enough focus on the core.

People seemed to be clamoring for those here in the thread at least IIRC... was it the same over on the kickstarter comments?

**H.B.M.C.**

Well advertised Kickstarters are like reverse bell curves. I don't think we have anything to worry about.

**scarletsquig**

People were clamouring for pretty much everything, and still are.

I'm still really hoping for acrylic counters, +2 terrain sprues for strike team, all 6 core factions completed, hard plastic enforcers.

Just needs that little push to get it there, and I don't think the three upcoming stretches of "ff/asterian, free merc and then a free rules expansion" are going to do the trick before the weekend compared to stuff that could unlock some more good value add-ons that people are wanting as this starts to end... only the ff/asterian specialist goal really helps towards that end, and then only for the people buying the EU bundle.

Still really confident that we're going to see around +$500k in the last 2 days, it's just frustrating to be following this like a hawk every day, knowing that I'll only have the last day or so to make my add-on decisions and won't be able to increase until the last minute since the stuff I want won't be live until then... which is ironic because since having to do this will result in me personally being a textbook "spike at the start and end" backer, as all of my contributions to this will fall on the first day and the final day.

Quite a well planned KS in terms of timing though. It covers two end-of-month paydays, and the final 48-hour warning goes out on Friday, the most active day for any KS campaign.

**GrimDork**

Yeah this should do well before its all said and done. I, too, am hanging on to the last portion of my pledge as i'm not 100% certain what I'll be filling the gaps with.

**Lansirill**

scarletsquig wrote:

Still really confident that we're going to see around +$500k in the last 2 days, it's just frustrating to be following this like a hawk every day, knowing that I'll only have the last day or so to make my add-on decisions and won't be able to increase until the last minute since the stuff I want won't be live until then... which is ironic because since having to do this will result in me personally being a textbook "spike at the start and end" backer, as all of my contributions to this will fall on the first day and the final day.

Well, I pledged on the first day, and then around 4-7 days later when the terrain add-ons went live, and I'm probably not upping my pledge anymore (I'll just shuffle how I allocate what I pledged) so we can balance each other out. Sortof.