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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Sturmtruppen wrote:
Coupled with the myth that a 7.62mm will give you a wound that requires just a small round plaster.

It will. It's the exit wound that's the problem

Ah ah, remember, we're talking about guns in movies here. There's no such thing as exit wounds in movies, bullets either lodge just a little inside the wound and are either a minor annoyance or no problem at all, or they just disappear, perhaps shattering on impact with human flesh or maybe dissolving inside the body to give the victim a nice boost of iron.

It's like the cocking sound, so you know they mean business

 KingCracker wrote:
But yea, its mostly the sound barrier that causes that loud bang, hence why you can buy "sub sonic" rounds for most calibers. Ive heard rounds fired from a "silencer" that was sub sonic and it gets REALLY quiet. Still no where near the "phewt" you hear in movies, but easily allowing you to shoot someone dead in their apartment, and their neighbors would be non the wiser. If you shoot a standard round in a silencer, it does quiet down a bit, but that crack is still coming from the sound barrier.

This. You can fire a .45 with a suppressor without any hearing protection, and you'll be fine (since .45 is a slow round compared to 9mm). And also, there's no muzzel flash from a gun with a suppressor attached to it. I'm surprised they didn't point that out.

I've heard a suppressed .22lr - all you hear is the hammer striking the casing (but .22lr aren't loud at the best of times.).

A mate took his modified ruger 10-22 out at the range after the military rifle club members had mostly gone home for the day. Muzzle end was threaded to take the suppressor.

The suppressor was a stock automotive exhaust spark arrestor that is compulsory to fit into the exhaust in certain parts of this country (to prevent stray sparks starting grassfires). They have a threaded end to make it easier to fit them.

There's this brilliant WW2 rifle in .45 ACP that was designed for special operations work, it's a mag fed bolt action, it's a full integral baffle set up, can't remember the name off the top of my head but it's the quietest silenced weapon I've ever heard, even compared to .22s

The Welrod?

 Sturmtruppen wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Sturmtruppen wrote:
Coupled with the myth that a 7.62mm will give you a wound that requires just a small round plaster.

It will. It's the exit wound that's the problem

Ah ah, remember, we're talking about guns in movies here. There's no such thing as exit wounds in movies, bullets either lodge just a little inside the wound and are either a minor annoyance or no problem at all, or they just disappear, perhaps shattering on impact with human flesh or maybe dissolving inside the body to give the victim a nice boost of iron.

My biggest beef with bullet holes is when a guy gets shot in the head in front of glass, and blood and brains splatter everywhere on the glass, clearly indicated the bullet passed through the other side, and yet there is no damage to the glass, it's like the bullet disintigrated. The Shawshank Redemption is the only movie I ever saw where they did that properly. Die Hard and Pulp Fiction are two culprits that immediately come to mind for being bad about that.

 djones520 wrote:
Die Hard . . . immediately come to mind for being bad about that.

They'd spent so much on the bullet proof wife beater that they couldn't afford the breaking glass

In roleplaying games, I always cock my shotgun, and then make it a point to pick up the shell I just ejected and stick it back in the gun.

I make it a point that, whenver there's a popper (moving tagret that jumps out) to wildly shoot it 3-6 times. Some ask why, I ask why not!

One thing that always annoyed/impressed me about Metal Gear Solid 4 was when Snake pulls the charging handle EVERY time you reload an assault rifle. Even if it was chambered, he clears it when inserting a new mag....which in game removes a round from the mag, and you actually watch the shell get ejected.

Cool, but unnecessary.

Edit - spelling

 chromedog wrote:
I've heard a suppressed .22lr - all you hear is the hammer striking the casing (but .22lr aren't loud at the best of times.).

A mate took his modified ruger 10-22 out at the range after the military rifle club members had mostly gone home for the day. Muzzle end was threaded to take the suppressor.

The suppressor was a stock automotive exhaust spark arrestor that is compulsory to fit into the exhaust in certain parts of this country (to prevent stray sparks starting grassfires). They have a threaded end to make it easier to fit them.

Yarp. The .22 is probably the best round to use in this manner for everyday use, specially in pistol form, because they very rarely go fast enough to break the sound barrier.

Speaking of honky ways to make a suppressor, a company makes a screw on end that allows you to you screw an oil filter from a car onto your weapon and POOF! Instant suppressor Youtube it, they are surprisingly usable

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
There's this brilliant WW2 rifle in .45 ACP that was designed for special operations work, it's a mag fed bolt action, it's a full integral baffle set up, can't remember the name off the top of my head but it's the quietest silenced weapon I've ever heard, even compared to .22s

I believe you're referring to the De Lisle carbine.

 Coolyo294 wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
There's this brilliant WW2 rifle in .45 ACP that was designed for special operations work, it's a mag fed bolt action, it's a full integral baffle set up, can't remember the name off the top of my head but it's the quietest silenced weapon I've ever heard, even compared to .22s

I believe you're referring to the De Lisle carbine.

That's it

http://blip.tv/militaryarms/de-lisle-carbine-6435770

Here's a video!

Sounds like a pellet gun.

I'm fairly sure the lethality of a firearm isn't based on its sound.

 purplefood wrote:
I'm fairly sure the lethality of a firearm isn't based on its sound.

I'm sure the lethality is, the most lethal guns go chk-chk-boom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MZffvS0yDo

Speak of the Devil, cracked just posted another story on guns today.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20396_5-mind-blowing-facts-nobody-told-you-about-guns.html

It's an excellent piece, in my opinion, balanced not by the insane need to state both sides, but balanced by simply listing the pertinent facts, whether they be for or against guns. The way they explain the issue of guns and suicide... well I've tried to make the same point here lots of times, and the way the put it so clearly and definitively shows why they're professional writers and I am not.

 sebster wrote:
Speak of the Devil, cracked just posted another story on guns today.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20396_5-mind-blowing-facts-nobody-told-you-about-guns.html

It's an excellent piece, in my opinion, balanced not by the insane need to state both sides, but balanced by simply listing the pertinent facts, whether they be for or against guns. The way they explain the issue of guns and suicide... well I've tried to make the same point here lots of times, and the way the put it so clearly and definitively shows why they're professional writers and I am not.

Read the article and it makes some interesting points (some which I had no idea about, like the mass shooting "reasons") but then I read the comments section, and I'm pretty sure I'm seeing red everywhere. Why is it every time one of these articles pop up, the worst both sides have to offer pop up? They're not helping anything and are only polarizing the "sides" even more.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Read the article and it makes some interesting points (some which I had no idea about, like the mass shooting "reasons") but then I read the comments section, and I'm pretty sure I'm seeing red everywhere. Why is it every time one of these articles pop up, the worst both sides have to offer pop up? They're not helping anything and are only polarizing the "sides" even more.

That's not just guns or really any other issue. It's just comments sections generally, they're a complete wasteland of crazy. I don't know why.

 sebster wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Read the article and it makes some interesting points (some which I had no idea about, like the mass shooting "reasons") but then I read the comments section, and I'm pretty sure I'm seeing red everywhere. Why is it every time one of these articles pop up, the worst both sides have to offer pop up? They're not helping anything and are only polarizing the "sides" even more.

That's not just guns or really any other issue. It's just comments sections generally, they're a complete wasteland of crazy. I don't know why.

John Gabriel's Greater Internet ****wad theory explains it I think. Most forums are more "civil" to some extent any way because we have reputations and identities, so to some extent the curtain of anonymity is lifted. At least that's my expansion of the theory to account for people not being complete fethheads.

Quote from the article;

'Most men just play a lot of video games and fall asleep whacking it.'

Apparently I'm living my life wrong, I don't play enough video games.

 sebster wrote:
Speak of the Devil, cracked just posted another story on guns today.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20396_5-mind-blowing-facts-nobody-told-you-about-guns.html

It's an excellent piece, in my opinion, balanced not by the insane need to state both sides, but balanced by simply listing the pertinent facts, whether they be for or against guns. The way they explain the issue of guns and suicide... well I've tried to make the same point here lots of times, and the way the put it so clearly and definitively shows why they're professional writers and I am not.

That was actually an awesome read. I've been discuissing it with several co-workers of mine that also own firearms. I had no idea that number of suicides was so much higher than homicides.

one myth they missed: how no matter what the calibre of the gun, taking a hit from it will blow you off your feet.

sure you may stumble and collapse from the shot but even a shotgun isnt going to pick you up and hurl you away just like that.

So much of the common perception of firearms is primarily based on Hollywood myth. It's really frustrating working in the industry. It's funny, silencers or as they're properly termed "suppressors" are a controlled/scary item here, as the article mentioned, but from what I understand they're required safety equipment at many ranges in Europe for rifles and pistols.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
So much of the common perception of firearms is primarily based on Hollywood myth. It's really frustrating working in the industry. It's funny, silencers or as they're properly termed "suppressors" are a controlled/scary item here, as the article mentioned, but from what I understand they're required safety equipment at many ranges in Europe for rifles and pistols.

They are, especially when hunting with rifles - it cuts down the muzzle velocity, so the bullet doesn't travel at far. They're manditory in the UK for deer hunting iirc.

 master of ordinance wrote:
one myth they missed: how no matter what the calibre of the gun, taking a hit from it will blow you off your feet. Sure you may stumble and collapse from the shot but even a shotgun isnt going to pick you up and hurl you away just like that.

And if it could, it would do the same with the shooter.

The one about the ammo limitage is a particular peeve of mine. I am sorry to say but i am that sad that i actually count the rounds being fired. When revolvers start going 7, 8, 9, etc i start face palming

 master of ordinance wrote:
The one about the ammo limitage is a particular peeve of mine. I am sorry to say but i am that sad that i actually count the rounds being fired. When revolvers start going 7, 8, 9, etc i start face palming

Yeah, I'm found myself counting the shots being fired when revolvers and other firearms appear on TV now

 Ratbarf wrote:
I didn't think most bullets actually broke the sound barrier? That's why they call the Gau 8 silent death because the rounds hit before you hear the gun go off.

ever go paintballing?