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Sorry if this has been covered before but my forum search turned up nothing.

A few days ago I was having a game vs an orc player and my warlord and rat ogre unit charged into the flank of his trolls. I rolled fairly poorly and only ended up with one unsaved wound. This wound was multiplied into d6 wounds which turned out to be three. He already had two wound on one troll and he said he had to allocate the unmultiplied wound to that troll and as it could only take one wound, the excess was wasted. This didn't seem right to me but I had nothing to contradict his opinion so I went with it. It now occurs to me that I was attacking the unit and shouldn't the wounds when multiplied be on the unit and therefore the wounds bleed over? Let me know what you guys think, this has been bugging me ever since.

No you cause wounds to the unit, since trolls have 3 base you can't do more than that, so when you got that 3 you caused 3 wounds to the unit and with one wound from before that's a total of 4 wounds on the unit, resulting in one dead troll and a wound on the unit.

Wounds in a multi-wound model uinit arent assigned to any model, except characters. They "float"

They are assigned to the unit, but capped at one model's number of wounds.

So to piggy back off this thread, if a unit of 3 trolls were hit by something like a grapeshot from the ogre cannon the wounds would carry over to the entire unit. For instance if you roll a 5 on the multiple wounds the first troll would take 3 wounds, die, then the remaining 2 wounds would go on the next troll?

No. The multi-wounds roll will only do as many wounds that is on the models profile.

A wound with multiple wound d6, A roll of 3, 4, 5, 6 will only do a max 3 wounds to a Troll.

The multiple wounds rule can only cause up to the maximum wounds a model in the unit has, so against trolls with 3 wounds that's 3 against sabertusks it's 2 and against RnF infantry it basically has no effect.

Also grapeshot doesn't have the multiple wounds USR, an ogre cannon does get a strength of 10 rather than 6 on its grapeshot.

You wound a single model with the strike, you then do d6 wounds to that model only. In the example of a troll and a roll of say, 6, the extra 3 wounds do not carry over onto the unit. You just kill a single troll real good and dead.

Great, sounds like we were doing multiple wounds correct, it my case it was against necro knights and not trolls. I'll have to check with him to see where he got the multiple wound idea from...


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Buckyeye6 wrote:
Great, sounds like we were doing multiple wounds correct, it my case it was against necro knights and not trolls. I'll have to check with him to see where he got the ogre cannon causing multiple wound idea from...

It does cause D6 wounds just like any cannon, and just like other cannons that doesn't extend to it's grapeshot.

It's also good to point out that Grape Shot has to roll to hit (you roll for number of shots) and you take normal modifiers for movement, range, cover, and skirmish.

So if you move, and fire at 6-12", you are shooting at a -2 to hit.
Seeing how it's BS3, that's 0-10 shots, hitting on 6's.

Grapeshot is, more or less, horrible.
You're almost always better backing up and firing the cannon if your opponent is point blank.

-Matt

Presumably unless you have Move or Fire.

I think multiple wounds is a rule we used to play wrong. My mates who "knew the rules" rolled for multiple wounds then rolled to wound for each, which is obviously wrong now that I have a BRB too. Meant they killed more RnF too.

HawaiiMatt wrote:
It's also good to point out that Grape Shot has to roll to hit (you roll for number of shots) and you take normal modifiers for movement, range, cover, and skirmish.

So if you move, and fire at 6-12", you are shooting at a -2 to hit.
Seeing how it's BS3, that's 0-10 shots, hitting on 6's.

Grapeshot is, more or less, horrible.
You're almost always better backing up and firing the cannon if your opponent is point blank.

-Matt

Off topic, but that's one of the silly things about the Khorn Khannon. For whatever reason, Matt Ward decided that Bloodletters needed to be BS5.

Saldiven wrote:

HawaiiMatt wrote:
It's also good to point out that Grape Shot has to roll to hit (you roll for number of shots) and you take normal modifiers for movement, range, cover, and skirmish.

So if you move, and fire at 6-12", you are shooting at a -2 to hit.
Seeing how it's BS3, that's 0-10 shots, hitting on 6's.

Grapeshot is, more or less, horrible.
You're almost always better backing up and firing the cannon if your opponent is point blank.

-Matt

Off topic, but that's one of the silly things about the Khorn Khannon. For whatever reason, Matt Ward decided that Bloodletters needed to be BS5.

That makes their grapeshot almost worth it. Even with BS5, you're looking at ~3 S5 hits average. I'd still rather fire the cannon.
BS5 makes sense. Khorne is a Martial god. His followers wouldn't forgo ranged combat.

Hell cannon says hi o/