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It will eb late next year but probably melbourne.

I'm not sure that I would bother buying this if it's limited. I imagine most people will keep playing the old version (since they can actually get rules for it.) unless the models are amazing what's the point?

GW recently made the move to stop supporting their Specialist Game line... the only exception was Blood Bowl. WIth the success of Mantic's Dreadball kickstarter, GW may have sees an opportunity to move Blood Bowl back into a marquee game, on par with 40k, fantasy and Hobbit/LOtR. A limited edition starter set (on the 25th anniversary of the game) would be a good event for such a line. The "Chaos All-Stars" team that we keep hearing about would an excellent exclusive for the limited edition, and so would high quality tokens, boxes, and pitches. This wouldn't necessarily mean that GW couldn't release an updated Blood Bowl starter sometime after the limited edition sells out.

I do need to admit, that I hope the above is true more than I think that it is true.

shintaibane wrote:
Sorry all but Blood Bowl is a rip off of an old FASA futuristic sports game called Grav Ball... sorry GW comes in second..

Bloodbowl is a ripoff from Troll Ball, violent fantasy football played in Glorantha (RuneQuest world). Trolls use Trollkin as balls (bears in extreme variant). Many WHFB elements in general are derived from Glorantha.

We had that discussion a month ago, Backfire. Let it die, man.

Anpu-adom wrote:
WIth the success of Mantic's Dreadball kickstarter, GW may have sees an opportunity to move Blood Bowl back into a marquee game, on par with 40k, fantasy and Hobbit/LOtR.

It's not happening. GW is aiming to minimize internal product competition while maximizing investment return. The only reason 40k and WFB are allowed to co-exist is because they both require similar amounts of investment and they fill different niches of the market. Not to mention, unless there's a sudden change of heart among the upper echelons of GW management, there is no way they're going to invest in a game that can be played with 12 models if they could instead invest in a game that has to be played with 60+ models.

I mean, I wish I was wrong. But most likely I'm not.

Not only that, but if they didn't do anything with Blood Bowl when the video game came out a couple years ago, they probably won't do anything with it now.

 Kirasu wrote:
Sorta sad that they wouldn't clean up the rules. I played BB for around 5 seasons straight and the game just is incredibly unbalanced with half the teams being completely awful. For a board game balance matters a lot.

Oh well I guess..

I heard Jervis Johnson say that the game was only ever designed for teams to play 12 games.. if you play more than that, then it begins to become unbalanced between the 'fast/unarmoured' teams and the tough teams.

I think if you play Goblins or Halflings.. well, you know what you are letting yourself in for. They are great fun, and you will never be short an opponent in a league, but you shouldn't play them if losing bothers you.

In terms of game balance I don't think it's too bad.. certainly, much better than Mordheim/Necromunda which have no doubt had many campaigns sunk over the years by one or a couple of beardy players in a campaign who exploit the inbalances in the system to the fullest.

I'd like to point out that making cheesy Skaven warbands was in character.

Hahaha, very good..

 Lansirill wrote:
I'm not sure that I would bother buying this if it's limited. I imagine most people will keep playing the old version (since they can actually get rules for it.) unless the models are amazing what's the point?

IF it happens, the models will be amazing - based on the increasing quality seen in the last several boxed sets.

 Pacific wrote:
I think if you play Goblins or Halflings.. well, you know what you are letting yourself in for. They are great fun, and you will never be short an opponent in a league, but you shouldn't play them if losing bothers you.

This is something I'm trying to address in my own on-again-off-again ruleset, by distinguishing between "heel" teams and "face" teams. Sure, you'll take more casualties if you're playing the goblin equivalents, but everyone likes seeing a goblin get smashed, so the damage is mitigated by sponsorship rewards. A face team would have better support to stop their players from dying, but it's a PR nightmare if one does.

 Pacific wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Sorta sad that they wouldn't clean up the rules. I played BB for around 5 seasons straight and the game just is incredibly unbalanced with half the teams being completely awful. For a board game balance matters a lot.

Oh well I guess..

I heard Jervis Johnson say that the game was only ever designed for teams to play 12 games.. if you play more than that, then it begins to become unbalanced between the 'fast/unarmoured' teams and the tough teams.

I think if you play Goblins or Halflings.. well, you know what you are letting yourself in for. They are great fun, and you will never be short an opponent in a league, but you shouldn't play them if losing bothers you.

In terms of game balance I don't think it's too bad.. certainly, much better than Mordheim/Necromunda which have no doubt had many campaigns sunk over the years by one or a couple of beardy players in a campaign who exploit the inbalances in the system to the fullest.

I'm not talking about using the same team for 5 seasons. Just a new team each season which pretty much *always* ends up the same. The teams with good base AGI win the games, the other teams lose because agility is the single most important stat in the game. Teams with traits that allow rerolls on ball handling are at an absurd advantage against those without. Minimum 1/6 chance to fail at every single thing you do except "walking in an open field" is way too punishing to teams without built in rerolls, and even more so to teams with base AGI 2.

I don't see why any team is a losing team by design. Can you have fun with the losing teams? sure.. yet I think that's still poor design which is only really tolerated with GW games. Other companies don't get to use terms like 'forging a narrative" to excuse unbalanced design.

I do like Blood Bowl but I found it a bit insane that my wood elf team could win almost every single game with 3 players on the field. Just because it's a specialist game that is never updated doesn't mean it couldn't use tweaking to make all teams be on even footing. (same goes with necromunda and mordheim which have glaring issues as well)

Oh don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you! The game definitely needs some work to balance.

As AlexHolker suggests, some kind of financial incentive for the 'squishy teams', or some other allowance, would make them a viable option beyond them being played for their comedy value.

Just that I would say the level of imbalance is somewhat less than when compared to some of the other games GW has produced (Necomunda/Mordheim being the chief examples - although those are games where some kind of 'umpire/gamesmaster' control to a campaign is almost mandatory if you're playing with a bunch of different players).

What is this? Like a lame attempt to make a Warhammer Fantasy version of Dreadball?

Weaksauce GW.

 Cryptek of Awesome wrote:
What is this? Like a lame attempt to make a Warhammer Fantasy version of Dreadball?

Weaksauce GW.

Not sure if serious or just trolling...

A joke perhaps?

This is the only thing that might draw me anywhere near GW at the minute. I'd buy this in a heartbeat.

I would not be surprised at all for GW to produce this as a 25mm scale game.

They would think it would deter people from using the rules and not buying their models, but in reality it would just reduce the number of people buying it.

 Grimstonefire wrote:
I would not be surprised at all for GW to produce this as a 25mm scale game.

15-20mm.

Bigger than Warmaster, smaller than fantasy, compatible with nothing.

Or make it at an even bigger scale, so they can charge even more money for the models.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Or make it at an even bigger scale, so they can charge even more money for the models.

Inquizibowl, because no one would expect (or buy) it

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Not only that, but if they didn't do anything with Blood Bowl when the video game came out a couple years ago, they probably won't do anything with it now.

I hadn't had this thought... and now it has made me sad

I hope you're wrong, and it is Bloodbowl after all!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Or make it at an even bigger scale, so they can charge even more money for the models.

This is actually what I would do - and plan to do, if I ever win lotto. Not so that I could charge more money, but because I would rather have the larger models myself. Plus, unlike Inquisitor, a fantasy sports game only needs one piece of terrain: the arena.

If this rumour is true, I am going to repaint my star player Morg 'N Thorg!!

I heard there's gonna be a tau team


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And that it was actually going to be a 40k basketball themed game called 'Space Jam'

Well, it'd allow them to sue Warner Bros then!

 Shandara wrote:
Well, it'd allow them to sue Warner Bros then!

ziiiiing

Given the horrible reviews of Dreadfleet I've read, any new boxed game wouldprobably need a full overhaul of the rules in order to be playable and fun anyway (which is sad because the old Blood Bowl rules are seriously inelegant, hard to learn and rely too much on physical props).

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Given the horrible reviews of Dreadfleet I've read

Was it really that bad?

My boyfriend and I picked up a copy of Dreadfleet a few months ago. The rules aren't that bad, but some of the scenarios are a bit... meh.