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Frazzled wrote: One would think with the morning after pill it wouldn't be an issue now. Me no understand.
Not when they consider the morning after pill an abortion too.
Does North Dakota consider the morning after pill an abortion?
The 'morning after' pill is ineffective after a VERY limited time, certainly less than six weeks - thus the name 'morning after' pill. So it's not affected by the ND 'post-six-week-abortion' ban.
hotsauceman1 wrote: you mean The party of "Freedom for only things we agree with"?
Doesn't that describe every political party?
To some extent. The issue here is that the Republicans sell themselves as the 'get government out of your life' and 'small government' party, then at every turn try to interfere just as much as the Dems. The Dems at least don't lie about wanting some government intervention.
They just lie about other things.
Which makes them different, and not really equal in this instance. There is no shame in calling the Republicans out on their bs. Doing so doesn't make you a Democrat anymore than calling out Democrats on theirs makes you a Republican.
That's certainly true, and I agree that both parties should be called out on their crap. I just wanted to point out that either party could easily be referred to as the party of "freedom for only things we agree with." The Republicans do not have a monopoly on that unfortunate kind of approach.
The only plausible reasons for abortions after 20+ weeks are because the various anti-abortion laws prevented you from getting one earlier...
You know that isn't true, or so I hope.
The girl's parents might object, the girl didn't know she was pregnant, the girl may have been in denial regarding her pregnancy, or she may have feared the procedure itself*, etc. There are many, many non-legal reasons for a girl to put off an abortion.
*A friend of mine nearly bled to death after a botched procedure.
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The only plausible reasons for abortions after 20+ weeks are because the various anti-abortion laws prevented you from getting one earlier...
You know that isn't true, or so I hope.
The girl's parents might object, the girl didn't know she was pregnant, the girl may have been in denial regarding her pregnancy, or she may have feared the procedure itself*, etc. There are many, many non-legal reasons for a girl to put off an abortion.
Sigh. Do I really need to make it explicit that we're talking about common reasons, not any obscure reason that has ever happened in the history of abortions? Whether or not other reasons have occasionally happened, the basic point remains true: abortions after 20+ weeks are usually because the woman was blocked from getting one earlier (including parental interference) or because of serious medical problems. The conservative fantasy world in which deadline laws are saving millions of babies simply doesn't exist.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
The only plausible reasons for abortions after 20+ weeks are because the various anti-abortion laws prevented you from getting one earlier...
You know that isn't true, or so I hope.
The girl's parents might object, the girl didn't know she was pregnant, the girl may have been in denial regarding her pregnancy, or she may have feared the procedure itself*, etc. There are many, many non-legal reasons for a girl to put off an abortion.
Sigh. Do I really need to make it explicit that we're talking about common reasons, not any obscure reason that has ever happened in the history of abortions? Whether or not other reasons have occasionally happened, the basic point remains true: abortions after 20+ weeks are usually because the woman was blocked from getting one earlier (including parental interference) or because of serious medical problems. The conservative fantasy world in which deadline laws are saving millions of babies simply doesn't exist.
Such a statement really demands support before being acceptable.
[...] for conflict is the great teacher, and pain, the perfect educator.
Kovnik Obama wrote: Such a statement really demands support before being acceptable.
But I suppose there's no obligation to support the claim that a non-trivial amount of abortions are happening past 20-30 weeks for reasons other than severe medical problems?
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Peregrine wrote: Sigh. Do I really need to make it explicit that we're talking about common reasons, not any obscure reason that has ever happened in the history of abortions? Whether or not other reasons have occasionally happened, the basic point remains true: abortions after 20+ weeks are usually because the woman was blocked from getting one earlier (including parental interference) or because of serious medical problems. The conservative fantasy world in which deadline laws are saving millions of babies simply doesn't exist.
How 'bout lacking the cash? Or does everything always come down to Snidely Whiplash mustache-twirlers?
Peregrine wrote: Sigh. Do I really need to make it explicit that we're talking about common reasons, not any obscure reason that has ever happened in the history of abortions? Whether or not other reasons have occasionally happened, the basic point remains true: abortions after 20+ weeks are usually because the woman was blocked from getting one earlier (including parental interference) or because of serious medical problems. The conservative fantasy world in which deadline laws are saving millions of babies simply doesn't exist.
How 'bout lacking the cash? Or does everything always come down to Snidely Whiplash mustache-twirlers?
Well, given the determined efforts of conservatives to ban all funding for abortions...
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Peregrine wrote: Sigh. Do I really need to make it explicit that we're talking about common reasons, not any obscure reason that has ever happened in the history of abortions?
Yes, you need to explain yourself.
But in any case, I didn't list any obscure reasons; I listed several common ones.
Whether or not other reasons have occasionally happened, the basic point remains true: abortions after 20+ weeks are usually because the woman was blocked from getting one earlier (including parental interference) or because of serious medical problems.
That wasn't your initial point. You claimed that the only plausible reason an abortion would occur after 20 weeks was legal hindrance, that was, and is, an incorrect claim.
At any rate, I like how you hand-waved the circumstance of American women. Apparently it isn't common for an American girl to hide her pregnancy from her parents.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Spyral wrote: I'm glad, it's a step in the right direction. Hopefully one day the world will realise the wrongness of intentionally killing a human baby.
The problem is not everyone feels that abortion is killing a human baby, people make distinctions where human life begins some feel it's at the embryonic stage, conception, at birth, etc it's not that simple. For me personally, I feel human life begins after birth but really it's just an arbitrary
line in the sand.
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Peregrine wrote: Well, given the determined efforts of conservatives to ban all funding for abortions...
Yes? I assume there's more to that? Perhaps an acknowledgement that there can indeed be other common factors to late term abortions beyond the two that you insisted were the only ones likely to exist?
Look, you made a remarkably short-sighted statement about third trimester abortion. As much as I admire a guy going down with the ship, it might just be time to do the "I misspoke" dance.
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Oh deep joy.
Should go well.
*Sigh*
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buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
Spyral wrote: I'm glad, it's a step in the right direction. Hopefully one day the world will realise the wrongness of intentionally killing a human baby.
The problem is not everyone feels that abortion is killing a human baby, people make distinctions where human life begins some feel it's at the embryonic stage, conception, at birth, etc it's not that simple. For me personally, I feel human life begins after birth but really it's just an arbitrary
line in the sand.
A Planned Parenthood official testified recently that it should be legal to abort babies, post birth.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Kilkrazy wrote: Good. Now we can advance to the next stage, which is Post-death abortion.
All this would be solved if we just had more cow bell.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Kilkrazy wrote: Good. Now we can advance to the next stage, which is Post-death abortion.
All this would be solved if we just had more cow bell.
I still don't understand that joke...
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buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
Kilkrazy wrote: Good. Now we can advance to the next stage, which is Post-death abortion.
All this would be solved if we just had more cow bell.
If elected, I would make illegal to have a babeh unless you pass a credit check, a drug test (ignoring alcohol and mary jane), and score above 80 on an IQ test.
Furthermore, post-birth abortions will be limited to rapists, murderers, and people that knock on my door at 8 AM on Saturdays to try and sell me a vacuum cleaner...
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
dogma wrote: That wasn't your initial point. You claimed that the only plausible reason an abortion would occur after 20 weeks was legal hindrance, that was, and is, an incorrect claim.
Wow. That's really dishonest. I didn't say that was the only reason, and you even cut half my sentence out when you quoted it to remove my explicit mention of medical problems as another reason.
At any rate, I like how you hand-waved the circumstance of American women. Apparently it isn't common for an American girl to hide her pregnancy from her parents.
Which technically isn't the same as legal hindrance (though conservatives love laws that require parental permission/notification for abortions, so there's no option to just quietly deal with the problem before anyone finds out), but you're just nitpicking the fact that the hindrance comes from family instead of the state. The general principle is the same: the wait to get an abortion is only happening because of outside interference preventing an earlier one, not because the woman really wants to wait.
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Seaward wrote: Yes? I assume there's more to that? Perhaps an acknowledgement that there can indeed be other common factors to late term abortions beyond the two that you insisted were the only ones likely to exist?
So do you actually have any evidence that these hypothetical reasons are actually common (outside of nitpicking the fact that some of the deliberate factors making abortions harder to get are not technically a law), or are you just going to post hypotheticals and demand that I disprove them?
Look, you made a remarkably short-sighted statement about third trimester abortion. As much as I admire a guy going down with the ship, it might just be time to do the "I misspoke" dance.
Who's going down with the ship? Nobody has provided any evidence that other reasons are common, and it goes completely against the common-sense idea that if you're pregnant and don't want to have a baby you want to get an abortion asap and avoid the whole unpleasant experience.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Wow. That's really dishonest. I didn't say that was the only reason, and you even cut half my sentence out when you quoted it to remove my explicit mention of medical problems as another reason.
And I didn't say that you said that was the only reason. I believe I said:
You claimed that the only plausible reason an abortion would occur after 20 weeks was legal hindrance, that was, and is, an incorrect claim.
It remains an incorrect claim because there exist plausible reasons for an abortion to occur after 20 weeks that do not involve the law.
Which technically isn't the same as legal hindrance (though conservatives love laws that require parental permission/notification for abortions, so there's no option to just quietly deal with the problem before anyone finds out), but you're just nitpicking the fact that the hindrance comes from family instead of the state.
Is it now "nitpicking" to distinguish private entities from public ones?
The general principle is the same: the wait to get an abortion is only happening because of outside interference preventing an earlier one, not because the woman really wants to wait.
So you presume to know what a woman really wants?
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
The general principle is the same: the wait to get an abortion is only happening because of outside interference preventing an earlier one, not because the woman really wants to wait.
So you presume to know what a woman really wants?
I like where this is going. Please continue, inquiring minds want to know!
Kronk will tell you what they want, what they really, really want.
Shall I tell you what they want, what they really, really want?
Yes, I'll tell you what they want, what they really, really want.
The really, really, really want to zig-a-zig ah.
I assume that's Welsh for access to affordable birth control and/or the ability to get abortions as has been made possible and protected through the supreme court's ruling on Roe versus Wade.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: The US needs to stop obesessing over this issue...
We've always been living in a Spice World...
oh Abortions? Nah, we couldn't possibly ever get along with anyone else in this country... Think about the power we could easily possess if we actually started to work together...
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