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I've been picking up things to supplement my Protectorate army over the last couple weeks as my GF is getting me back into the WM/H game. As I've been trying to pick up important keys to the faction that I've not gotten (due to running a Prime era PoM army), I've been running into a wall.

I prefer giving the FLGS's in the area my business, but lately I've been running into the "out of stock" demon with all the nearby stores. I still haven't gotten the Reclaimers I want for my army. At one of the LGSs, I'm fairly friendly with the owners and we got to talking; PP orders have been arriving partially complete and PP has been telling them that they are completely out of stock on some items and have been for some time.

Is this indicative of a demand issue, a manufacturing problem, both?

(I could throw out the generic anecdote of "a lot" of 40K players in the area switching recently, but who knows how indicative that is of reality.)

for solo's I would assume a supply issue, PP has a tendency of going out of stock I've found, which can be frustrating.

For squads, I would go ahead and make an assumption that they are working towards plastic/resin on most of their squads and some might go out of stock before going plastic.

Someone brought this up on the PP forums a week or two ago and Simon, their community representative, said their supply levels are okay. He went on to say it might be an issue with the distributor. I think their production may be a little lean right now, but it shouldn't be so bad you have chronic stock issues.

An odd thing happens every spring where PP stock becomes a little low for a few months as GW ramp up their yearly wm/h marketing campaign.

 Dais wrote:
Someone brought this up on the PP forums a week or two ago and Simon, their community representative, said their supply levels are okay. He went on to say it might be an issue with the distributor. I think their production may be a little lean right now, but it shouldn't be so bad you have chronic stock issues.

An odd thing happens every spring where PP stock becomes a little low for a few months as GW ramp up their yearly wm/h marketing campaign.

I swear to God, GW is the best marketing Privateer Press could ever ask for.

 CIsaac wrote:

I swear to God, GW is the best marketing Privateer Press could ever ask for.

Oh yeah. Is it any wonder that we see PP summer army deals around the same time GW has their yearly price increases?

Its a distributiuon thing.

I'll be honest. i remember when MK2 hit, and everywhere was "out of stock", and there were reports all over the internet of folks not being able to get stuff for love nor money. PP ran out of stock because it was selling so hard was the typical response. Now, i think its only partly true. My LGS owner got all his stuff direct from the manufacturer here in europe, and never had a problem getting stuff in. all the shops were out of stock with everything according to the internet, and yet somehow our guy could get whatever we ordered within a matter of days.

By all accounts PP have increased their production since then. So, if anything, i would rate it as a fault at the distribution level. is it possible for you, or your LGS to go further up the food chain?

 CIsaac wrote:

 Dais wrote:
Someone brought this up on the PP forums a week or two ago and Simon, their community representative, said their supply levels are okay. He went on to say it might be an issue with the distributor. I think their production may be a little lean right now, but it shouldn't be so bad you have chronic stock issues.

An odd thing happens every spring where PP stock becomes a little low for a few months as GW ramp up their yearly wm/h marketing campaign.

I swear to God, GW is the best marketing Privateer Press could ever ask for.

Until the new player plays a game of WH\H and realizes it is but a shadow of 40K.

Lately our 40K nights have had lots of WH\H players coming over to get away from that crap.

NoArmorSave wrote:

 CIsaac wrote:

 Dais wrote:
Someone brought this up on the PP forums a week or two ago and Simon, their community representative, said their supply levels are okay. He went on to say it might be an issue with the distributor. I think their production may be a little lean right now, but it shouldn't be so bad you have chronic stock issues.

An odd thing happens every spring where PP stock becomes a little low for a few months as GW ramp up their yearly wm/h marketing campaign.

I swear to God, GW is the best marketing Privateer Press could ever ask for.

Until the new player plays a game of WH\H and realizes it is but a shadow of 40K.

Lately our 40K nights have had lots of WH\H players coming over to get away from that crap.

Oh, please.

Do not try to preach the superiority of GW's rules. If you're going to white knight them, do try to stick to their actual strengths.

NoArmorSave wrote:

Until the new player plays a game of WH\H and realizes it is but a shadow of 40K.

Lately our 40K nights have had lots of WH\H players coming over to get away from that crap.

Id completely disagree my good man. they're both completely different.

40k is a fun, light hearted beer and pretzels game, if you approach it right. -Warmachine is a white-knuckle, tense, edge of your seat experience where one mistake costs you the game. As for me, i enjoy the latter. immensely. as do a lot of my friends. i enjoy a game that pushes me, and lets me push back. I try that in 40k, and i break it. i enjoy pitting my wits against it. I enjoy the depth and the huge tactical scope it offers. A lot more so than 40k. 40k simpply doesnt offer us anything that we want, or need, and in terms of depth, is extremely shallow, with a very cynical design behind it from a company more interested in changing the game instead of improving it. warmachine on the other hand offers far greater depth and tactical play and is constalntly shifting and evolving. Nothing ever stays the same. you have to keep evolving with it. it really is about you, and how you play, and not because you took a specific faction.

40k is fun, but see if it lasts. and please, drop from your high horse before someone pushes you. dropping "crap" is far from mature, and far from appreciated.

NoArmorSave wrote:

 CIsaac wrote:

 Dais wrote:
Someone brought this up on the PP forums a week or two ago and Simon, their community representative, said their supply levels are okay. He went on to say it might be an issue with the distributor. I think their production may be a little lean right now, but it shouldn't be so bad you have chronic stock issues.

An odd thing happens every spring where PP stock becomes a little low for a few months as GW ramp up their yearly wm/h marketing campaign.

I swear to God, GW is the best marketing Privateer Press could ever ask for.

Until the new player plays a game of WH\H and realizes it is but a shadow of 40K.

Lately our 40K nights have had lots of WH\H players coming over to get away from that crap.

...wut?

Back on topic though.

I've seen lots of FLGS have stock issues, but for some reason folks like Miniature Market, Discount Games, and Warstore generaly have what your looking for.

I'm wondering if its a distributor issue more than anything else.

Don't feed the troll.


I havent had a stock issue for awhile, but i get mine online as i dont have a Local shop that keeps full stock.

Deadnight wrote:

NoArmorSave wrote:

Until the new player plays a game of WH\H and realizes it is but a shadow of 40K.

Lately our 40K nights have had lots of WH\H players coming over to get away from that crap.

Id completely disagree my good man. they're both completely different.

40k is a fun, light hearted beer and pretzels game, if you approach it right. -Warmachine is a white-knuckle, tense, edge of your seat experience where one mistake costs you the game. As for me, i enjoy the latter. immensely. as do a lot of my friends. i enjoy a game that pushes me, and lets me push back. I try that in 40k, and i break it. i enjoy pitting my wits against it. I enjoy the depth and the huge tactical scope it offers. A lot more so than 40k. 40k simpply doesnt offer us anything that we want, or need, and in terms of depth, is extremely shallow, with a very cynical design behind it from a company more interested in changing the game instead of improving it. warmachine on the other hand offers far greater depth and tactical play and is constalntly shifting and evolving. Nothing ever stays the same. you have to keep evolving with it. it really is about you, and how you play, and not because you took a specific faction.

40k is fun, but see if it lasts. and please, drop from your high horse before someone pushes you. dropping "crap" is far from mature, and far from appreciated.

Spare me the crap about how balanced WM\H is. It isn't.

And 40K is extremely tense and filled with tactics. Especially when you have 2 players that understand the game. If you think it is just "beer and pretzels", you need to improve your game. Perhaps if you
quit playing that WM\H crapola, you could get better at 40K and understand the nuances of the system and the pairings of the different armies.

And the WM\H models Vs. 40K models....... Don't even get me started down that path.

It's okay to not like things. But Rule Number One is Be Polite.

Please keep that in mind.

 Spyder68 wrote:
Don't feed the troll.


I havent had a stock issue for awhile, but i get mine online as i dont have a Local shop that keeps full stock.

I've been able to find everything online without a problem, but I try to be a good gamer and specifically give my FLGS the business as they price match and provide a place to play.

I'll give them some more time. I'm still assembling/painting, so there's no rush.

There are a lot of issues with my local store getting stock, so much so that I'm thinking of just using them for brushes and stuff and getting my models elsewhere. I've been waiting over 3 weeks now for Reinholdt and Arlan Strangeways, I could have bought it from America/the UK and already have it painted and on the table. After a point it isn't a matter of being a 'good gamer and giving to your FLGS', it's 'god I want those freaking models and it'll be atleast week and a bit before I get them ontop of the time already passed, time to start using other people for models'

NoArmorSave wrote:

Deadnight wrote:

NoArmorSave wrote:

Until the new player plays a game of WH\H and realizes it is but a shadow of 40K.

Lately our 40K nights have had lots of WH\H players coming over to get away from that crap.

Id completely disagree my good man. they're both completely different.

40k is a fun, light hearted beer and pretzels game, if you approach it right. -Warmachine is a white-knuckle, tense, edge of your seat experience where one mistake costs you the game. As for me, i enjoy the latter. immensely. as do a lot of my friends. i enjoy a game that pushes me, and lets me push back. I try that in 40k, and i break it. i enjoy pitting my wits against it. I enjoy the depth and the huge tactical scope it offers. A lot more so than 40k. 40k simpply doesnt offer us anything that we want, or need, and in terms of depth, is extremely shallow, with a very cynical design behind it from a company more interested in changing the game instead of improving it. warmachine on the other hand offers far greater depth and tactical play and is constalntly shifting and evolving. Nothing ever stays the same. you have to keep evolving with it. it really is about you, and how you play, and not because you took a specific faction.

40k is fun, but see if it lasts. and please, drop from your high horse before someone pushes you. dropping "crap" is far from mature, and far from appreciated.

Spare me the crap about how balanced WM\H is. It isn't.

And 40K is extremely tense and filled with tactics. Especially when you have 2 players that understand the game. If you think it is just "beer and pretzels", you need to improve your game. Perhaps if you
quit playing that WM\H crapola, you could get better at 40K and understand the nuances of the system and the pairings of the different armies.

And the WM\H models Vs. 40K models....... Don't even get me started down that path.

Welcome to ignore! Your half baked, unsupported ramblings have given you first class tickets to paradise away from basic logically flawed arguments. And by you I mean me.

Thing is, will it really hurt your local shop to pick up the solo's from online ?

They are usually the ones that are harder to get.

 Spyder68 wrote:
Thing is, will it really hurt your local shop to pick up the solo's from online ?

They are usually the ones that are harder to get.

This same problem happened with a heavy jack kit and a unit of ATGM as well, they took a few weeks when they should have been there quite quickly

I think I'm up over a month of waiting on my FLGS order now. They got a shipment of the new releases, but still seem to be waiting for everything that isn't new.

There was a thread on this on the privateer press general forum.

They gave somones email address that could help Local shops find more distributers if needed to help.

 Spyder68 wrote:
There was a thread on this on the privateer press general forum.

They gave somones email address that could help Local shops find more distributers if needed to help.[/quote}

QFT my old FLGS (before I had to move to the freezing cold north) had three distributors and generally could get everything in.

Same here. My LGS goes off of Alliance, Southern, and ACD, if memory serves, and rarely has any problems stocking the whole line.

I'm assuming distribution could be a bit different over here, wouldn't it?

Fortunately for me Amazon IS my LGS. But my brick and mortar store has 20% off all MSRP as well so they are competitively priced. But I have found some smoking deals on Amazon for over 60% off with free shipping.

Hmm, I've also had issues with local stores bringing in PP stuff but from what I've heard, it's because there's now some minimum order requirement which they find hard to fulfill. I have no idea if they get it direct from PP or a distributor but I know one store that's been waiting for bane thralls for 3 months. Otoh, I've managed to order bane thralls online and get it to me within a fortnight so obviously, there IS stock of them. Somewhere.

FLGS here was getting most of their stuff thru Alliance, but had some troubles getting everything they wanted when they wanted it. Started ordering from ACD in the last few weeks and have been having much better luck I hear tell.

NoArmorSave wrote:
Spare me the crap about how balanced WM\H is. It isn't.
.

All my personal experience, anecdotal evidence from others and high standing tournament results would like to disagree with that statement. No faction dominates. this game is balanced. But fair enough - Im curious. What makes you say its not balanced? Can you back this statement up? I am genuinely curious here.

NoArmorSave wrote:

And 40K is extremely tense and filled with tactics. Especially when you have 2 players that understand the game. If you think it is just "beer and pretzels", you need to improve your game. Perhaps if you
quit playing that WM\H crapola, you could get better at 40K and understand the nuances of the system and the pairings of the different armies.
.

mate. get off your high horse, and drop this "holier than thou" attitude of yours. its doing you absolutely no favours. i played 40k since third edition. i know the game. intimately. My gaming group back home was extremely competitive, and for what its worth, some of those guys were amongst the various groups of official external playtesters GW ran before fifth ed when they stopped it, and for what its worth, these guys had their names in the "special thanks" sections of various codices and the rulebook itself too. So yes, i experienced the full brunt of the game at the highest levels of play. And while it could be tense (and i've had some great games), tactics were shallow. they typically boiled down to target priority and charging forward into a position to charge next turn. the nature of the game doesnt help, with each edition favouring a bare handful of truly top tier codices and viable builds. the vast majority of 40k boils down to "the list i write" rather than "how i play", and in that sense it is incredibly shallow. its got nothing on the various synnergies, depth and intricacies of warmachine. this doesnt mean 40k cant be fun - it can. but in terms of the depth, detail, and options warmachine offers, it does come short.

NoArmorSave wrote:

And the WM\H models Vs. 40K models....... Don't even get me started down that path.

this is simply a taste of aesthetics. I'll be honest. the best miniature designs are neither from GW or PP. they're from Corvus Beli, and their Infinity game. GW have some stunning models. they also have some howlers. and i can link you plenty examples too. And the same is true for PP models-some great/stunning models. look at the extreme mauler or warpwolf. and some howlers. nyss hunters, for example. Overall though, since i've invested in the line, i''ve grown to like the PP "look" more and more whereas before, it was GW "white knighty" they can do no wrong approach. But to be fair, as awesome as some of the GW kits are, since i've played other games, i have a new perspective. their over the top "heroic" pose can get dull, with hands the size of heads and heads the size of chests. I find a lot of the more recent models (since codex: Space wolves and the horrible head sculpts) look more and more goofy and cartoony. the chaos cultists are a perfect example of what i consider really bad model design- they feel and look like bad guys on a kids saturday morning cartoon show. I've seen very little offerings from GW recently that have made me go wow. And for what its worth, i just spent £50 on a whole bunch of cadian kasrkin, because they look awesome. new stuff? not so much IMO. PP though? i dunno. every release they've got something that excites me in terms of new shiny models.

So yeah, aesthetics. neither of us is right, we both merely have different perspectives.

I ordered spawning vessel acolytes from wayland games a month ago. They didnt ship them so i asked wayland games some time ago.

This was their answer:

Hi again

We are still awaiting a re-stock of the Spawning Vessel Acolytes - unfortunately they did not arrive on our last re-stock delivery.

The UK Casters for Privateer Press have had a large number of staff off ill recently, and our stock deliveries have been slowed down due to this.

We do not know exactly when the Spawning Vessel Acolytes will arrive, however as soon as they do, we will have your order processed and shipped out to you as soon as possible.

Regards,

Jeah... still not shipped. This answer was on the 14th. I ordered (and paid) on the 27.02 my flgs also doesnt get restocked. PP seems to have some issues .

Until the new player plays a game of WH\H and realizes it is but a shadow of 40K.

Lately our 40K nights have had lots of WH\H players coming over to get away from that crap.

Stop feeding guys

Hey! Trolls need to eat too! They lose a lot of their regenerative abilities if they get malnourished...

But that's interesting. Are the stock issues just in the UK at the moment or is anyone else outside of that area having problems?