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Hi guys,

Currently playing a game of 40k with a friend who is running GK with a stormraven gunship. The discussion of the day is the actual height which the flyer can be off the ground.
When he brought his flyer into the battle he zoomed it across the board and placed it behind a piece of scenery, giving both cover to the ship as well as the men which disembarked and stood behind it. There was no scenery blocking its path as it flew over there, but what I'm itching my head about is weather flyers which are zooming are actually able to fly so close to the ground; Is there a minimum distance which the ship has to be from the ground?

When, or if a flyer does this can it change is height to navigate over scenery? In my opinion the shuttle has to stay at a consistent height, as the ship is to slow and bulky to navigate the scenery. This would cause the ship to move LESS than 18", making it an instant wreck.

Let me know what you guys think.
Cheers.

Flyers don't change their height. There are no rules allowing them to do so. Also they are modeled on the base they come with. A storm ravens base is pretty tall...

So the only way for a flyer to get cover is if it is physically 25% hidden behind something from the perspective of the firing models. This is usually pretty hard to do.

Real-world logic rarely translates well into tabletop wargaming.
The SR's height is dictated by it's flight stand (modifying the stand would fall into the category of "modelling for advantage") and wherever it ends it's movement (a flyer can finish it's move on top of a building for example).

Ok, one little thing I forgot to mention. We are using a LRC as a proxy for a SR, which means we don't have the actual stand at hand. This is what is causing complications I guess.

The stem is at minimum 6" tall. So if you were proxying then you should be treating the LRC as being at the height a usual stormraven would be at. If he was placing it on the table (while zooming) and claiming cover from low cover then your friend was trying to get an advantage from using the proxy instead of trying his best to keep in the spirit that the LRC was a stormraven.

Agreed with Ironwill.

If you are going to proxy a model (which is perfectly fine, imho) then you have to take into account differences between the original and the proxy.

In this case it means you need some way to know that the LRC is actually 6" up in the air. This might involve simply raising it up when it's being shot at...

Yeah holding up the model is an easy solution. One match my land speeder broke and I had no glue. So when my opponent shot at it and I shot with it, I held it up on the stand as if it could be there.

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
Yeah holding up the model is an easy solution.

Or just sit it on a cup or a food can or something.

Did your opponent disembark on the same turn as zooming? Can you do that with stormravens?

 Flinty wrote:
Did your opponent disembark on the same turn as zooming? Can you do that with stormravens?

The Skies of Blood rule allows a Zooming disembark from the BA SR (Shadow Skies for the GK SR, called something else in the new flyer book I think), but restricts assaults after the Zooming disembark.

I just measured the top of my SR at 8.5 inches. Put it roughly there and check. They can still get cover from area terrain and intervening terrain the same as anything else, though.

I.e., Flying HIve Tyrant in rubble equates to a 4+ cover save, even though he is Swooping. If I am not mistaken, the same applies for Fliers.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
Did your opponent disembark on the same turn as zooming? Can you do that with stormravens?

The Skies of Blood rule allows a Zooming disembark from the BA SR (Shadow Skies for the GK SR, called something else in the new flyer book I think), but restricts assaults after the Zooming disembark.

Good to know. Thankee kindly.

hubbsey wrote:
I just measured the top of my SR at 8.5 inches. Put it roughly there and check. They can still get cover from area terrain and intervening terrain the same as anything else, though.

I.e., Flying HIve Tyrant in rubble equates to a 4+ cover save, even though he is Swooping. If I am not mistaken, the same applies for Fliers.

Vehicles don't get area terrain cover saves naturally like non-Vehicle models. A FMC will get a cover save, oddly enough.

Vehicles have to be 25% obscured to receive cover, even in area terrain.

Cheers for all your replies guys, we eventually came to an agreement that I was right