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Space Wolves aren't one of the most hated chapters, lol.

The Ultramarines, Blood Angels, and Grey Knights are. There is a common factor in all three of these codices. A certain magician with a terrible beard.

A lot of fans simply think the Space Wolves get the most hate because they can't handle criticism for their favorite chapter.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Making Lorgar kneel was the worst mistake Empy ever made, that opened a bag of worms. Hehe. Poor chap but he was quite a bad father. Giving Magnus crack I mean warp in the cradle and such. Rejecting Angron's honor and so on.

I've heard so many people give the Big E crap because of how he treated his sons... it's quite a juvenile argument IMO. Calling him a bad parent is, at the very least, baseless and has no founding or context since the word "Parent" only loosely applies to him.

Firstly, his twenty sons were actually his twenty sci-fantasy-gene-clones who all basically represent an Imperial mini me. That being said, he probably did love them. He wanted what was best for them. he also didn't just start over and make twenty new sci-fantasy-gene-clones to take their place. He crusaded across the galaxy to recover them.

As it regards specific instances like Lorgar and him being denied the religion he was clearly looking for... As a father (without being TFG) he had 20 truly "gifted" sons. Not "gifted" by today's standards of "my kid showed up for class and can string a coherent thought into a sentence - honor roll" crap... his sons are genuine prodigies. You cannot have "average" expectations for them. Being great means being pushed harder than average. The Emperor was hard on them not because he favored some above others, but because he wanted them to achieve greatness.

Lecturing Lorgar was the Emperor saying "You're better than that IMO"... not "I don't love you".

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Space Wolves aren't one of the most hated chapters, lol.

The Ultramarines, Blood Angels, and Grey Knights are. There is a common factor in all three of these codices. A certain magician with a terrible beard.

A lot of fans simply think the Space Wolves get the most hate because they can't handle criticism for their favorite chapter.

Ooooh, it's Matt Ward hatin' I'm seeing here?

By the way yeah, it's all Wolves' fan fault... sure... lol seriously when I see certain comment I laugh my pants off.
It's like: "It's not haters fault, it's the fans' one!!"... ridiculous

There is an irony to your statement that you do not comprehend.

I sort of base my perception of hate towards the SW on one simple question. "Do you think the wolves on Fenris stems from humans?" If your question is yes there, then I sort of draw the conclusion that you at least dislike them and most likely ain't very well intended towards them.

Battle brother riding battle brother is the single best revelation of the Horus Heresy.

I wish all Space Marines did it.

I'm not a Wolves fanboy, I simply like 'em.
And to be honest, I like almost every army in the game, even the GK.
Yes, sometime I joke about how "GK are cheesy" or SoB are "Bolter Bitches with eternal mestruation", but I could never seriously "hate" an army.
It's a hobby, afterall. A hobby I love, but still a hobby


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 Void__Dragon wrote:
Battle brother riding battle brother is the single best revelation of the Horus Heresy.

I wish all Space Marines did it.

Wolfception dude, wolfception... 'nuff said.

I think we can at least all agree that the Rainbow Warriors are the best chapter ever.

Huh?

 Soladrin wrote:
I think we can at least all agree that the Rainbow Warriors are the best chapter ever.

I agree, they sparkle!!

No, wait... dafuq?

 Soladrin wrote:
I think we can at least all agree that the Rainbow Warriors are the best chapter ever.

Rainbow Warriors 4 life!!

Not made up btw.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rainbow_Warriors#.UWSC4RzQn6o

If you say so.

Well if any chapter was the definition of neutrality....

 Soladrin wrote:
Not made up btw.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rainbow_Warriors#.UWSC4RzQn6o

They are descendants of the UM ??? Go rainbows !!!
Also I really didn't notice that BA have too many haters...Even with their goofy. dex stuff....

Nipple armour.

Most hated by most: Ultramarines and Guilliman.

...by a country mile.

No one hates the Ultramarines.

People hate Matt Ward.

Matt Ward isn't an Ultramarine, though. You have to pass a physical to become an Ultramarine.

"I am not a god; rather than enslaving humanity I want to free it from ignorance and superstition."
-Emperor

Lorgar pretty much disagree with this philosophy.. So yeah, kinda hate Lorgar. But I do love the whole concept of the word bearers legion because of the scriptures and relics, and of course the zealot mentallity and dedication they have to the chaos gods. I love painting scriptures and texts too. I hate the primarch, but love the legion/chapter.

Dorn and imperial fists.

Dorn is such a tool.

He's scared of Curze and got embarrassed by Perturabo.

I don't understand why anyone would play Imperial Fists, I'd be ashamed... and not just because they are bright yellow.

Dorn is the reason I never played Black Templars, who are otherwise exceedingly awesome.

 Red Viper wrote:
Dorn and imperial fists.

Dorn is such a tool.

He's scared of Curze and got embarrassed by Perturabo.

I don't understand why anyone would play Imperial Fists, I'd be ashamed... and not just because they are bright yellow.

Dorn is the reason I never played Black Templars, who are otherwise exceedingly awesome.

If you go by the old WD stories, Dorn was awesome but lately BL really messed him up....IMHO

Also I consider IF as true vanilla marines...brofist

P.S. Still waiting for the BL to explain anti codex - best codex chapter transformation....

I'm still yet to be convinced by people's criticisms of Dorn, personally.

Currently, Fulgrim and the emperor's children, that lot just creeps me the hell out.

 Just Dave wrote:
I'm still yet to be convinced by people's criticisms of Dorn, personally.

Which "criticisms" in particular?


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 DarthMarko wrote:
If you go by the old WD stories, Dorn was awesome but lately BL really messed him up....IMHO

Also I consider IF as true vanilla marines...brofist

P.S. Still waiting for the BL to explain anti codex - best codex chapter transformation....

How did BL mess him up?

Also, them going from anti-codex to best codex short of Ultramarines is also studio fluff.


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 Jonavic wrote:
"I am not a god; rather than enslaving humanity I want to free it from ignorance and superstition."
-Emperor

Lorgar pretty much disagree with this philosophy...

Actually no, the Emperor's philosophy was a lie he used to control the masses, he kept humanity as a whole intentionally in the dark about the true nature of the universe.

It was Lorgar who sought truth, and boy, did he find it, lol.

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 Jonavic wrote:
"I am not a god; rather than enslaving humanity I want to free it from ignorance and superstition."
-Emperor


Actually no, the Emperor's philosophy was a lie he used to control the masses, he kept humanity as a whole intentionally in the dark about the true nature of the universe.

It was Lorgar who sought truth, and boy, did he find it, lol.

Didnt the Emperor reject the Dogmatism and worship of him? The Emperor clearly couldnt control the whole imperium, so wasnt it more corruption of religion and fascism that twisted the whole view of what the emperor really wanted? After he died of course... correct me if im wrong u_u

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Nipple armour.

You missed out sandals.

Only when nipples and sandals unite to pour forth their light, then and only then, do the true scions of sanguinius appear...
And ye shall know them by the red thirst, the black rage and the trail of tears.



I don't dislike any legion particularly. There are just legions that I know less about (Iron Hands/White Scars etc)

I could say I hate the White Scars, then the next WS book comes out and they're amazingly well portrayed = My opinion changes immediately.
It's not that I'm easily influenced or anything...

Fulgrim and the Emperors children, what a bunch of spoiled children, They give me a headache every time i read about them. I jsut want to shove a boltgun to their face and tell them to shut the up and do what they're told. the oly good thing about them is when Loken sucker punches, the more annoying than usuall for an EC, Lucius.
Oh i had no problem with Saul Tarvitz,

The again all traitors seem to have the emotional responses of teenagers.

Most dissapointing is ofcource the lion, they totally forgot the man was a primarch. Also less high functioning socio-path and more King arthur please, maybe even some Gustavus Adoplhus (the lion of the north).

Or something how the chaos gods had originally intended for him to be their champion but he refused them, of all the primarchs the oldest one, the emperors first-born ends up on the most tainted planet that a primarch ends up on, i feel the placement may have been intentional. And being so close to the eye the lion probably heard the whispers of the dark gods before hearing the voice of human.
These aspects should've been explored.

Haha, you're not really supposed to like the chaos worshipping guys Word Bearers are AWFUL AWFUL people, like Nazis times a thousand. The mutilate entire planets (They literally tear up the planets) and their populaces just for giggles. And everyone is scared of the Batman.

Dorn, Masochism just rubs me the wrong way, lol.

In all seriousness, I never did like Guilliman, he's just not someone I'd like as a person.

Leman russ worst primarch of the most 80's styled, hateful army in 40k.
Ruining their gene pool like savages! Oooo we've got enlarged canines, yeah great! Their styles fit better with fantasy not 40k!
Primarchs a joker!

Lion el Johnson. Quality. Survives on caliban a planet warped by the chaos energies before being found, rises to the top of the order, purged caliban. of chaos taint. this is all before he is betrayed by his surrogate "father" and mentor, while off whooping traitor a**e during the heresy....
Cheers Luther!-Scum Bag!
Deserves to live out the rest of his miserable days in the rock dungeons!
Oh and Johnson knocks leman russ out!

 Mad Boss Morgrot wrote:
Leman russ worst primarch of the most 80's styled, hateful army in 40k.
Ruining their gene pool like savages! Oooo we've got enlarged canines, yeah great! Their styles fit better with fantasy not 40k!
Primarchs a joker!

Lion el Johnson. Quality. Survives on caliban a planet warped by the chaos energies before being found, rises to the top of the order, purged caliban. of chaos taint. this is all before he is betrayed by his surrogate "father" and mentor, while off whooping traitor a**e during the heresy....
Cheers Luther!-Scum Bag!
Deserves to live out the rest of his miserable days in the rock dungeons!
Oh and Johnson knocks leman russ out!

What is it about the wolves and the D.A that mean we can't like one AND the other?

They both had their flaws - eg - Russ for being 'beardy' while not having a beard and Johnson randomly killing his own men...