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Hey guys, I was thinking about ways to make good 'ol Mephy better.

1) Give him an AP2 weapon(that strikes at initiative)

2) Make him a MC(not sure about this one)

3) Give him invuln

What do you guys think?

Lucarikx

Mephiston needs to be made better?

Nope.

I'm sorry, normally I don't shoot down ideas and dislike anyone who does. However, I really think Mephiston is fine now. He had a reign of terror before, but now he seems much more balanced and not an auto-include.

Wait, you want him back to the broken way he was before 6th?

At least be honest with it.

'Fluffy' ways you could make Mephiston better;

Give him a warscythe.

Give him a special rule to regenerate a wound for every wound he inflicts.

Make his blessings auto-cast on himself.

Make him an Independent Character.

Give him a Rosarius.

Give him Feel No Pain.

Give him Miraculous Intervention.

'Fluffy' ways Mephiston should be make better;

None.

Thanks guys! I was just trying to make him "fluffier", I guess.

Lucarikx

You obviously don't use mephiston right. With the group of mates i play with they won't verse me if i run Mephiston anymore as he is unstoppable if you use him right (keep away from 2+ armor) and do your best to keep him in cover while moving and near a priest and you'll piss yourself laughing when you shrug off Rail guns like they were bolters with FnP.
He doesn't need a buff at all! str 10, 12 inch move, Can't be instant killed except for force weapons and instant kill special rules.

Ways to make him better? Put him on top of a Reaver Titan, maybe?

You want to make him better? If you do the h will be an auto include. The guy still destroys everything (bar termies) he comes into contact with and so I don't feel he needs anything else. But if you insist: give him a rosarius (4++) and a power axe and he will the most cost effective melee character in the game.

To me better would mean to adjust his rules to make sure he's used more often.
I think that he suffers from the "issue" that a lot of BA-uniques have: They are really awesome, but in the end they are hardly played because most other characters are a better choice for the list.
The Sanguinor has the same problem It's over a LR's cost of awesomeness, but I never find a reason to justify his use in anything below 2k.

Mephiston could really do with a Rosarius or something like FNP, just something that makes him more resistant to mass-shooting. Or another way to reach CC more easily.
Maybe even make him an IC?
Ofcourse that means he would lose something else to make up for this.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Ways to make him better? Put him on top of a Reaver Titan, maybe?

You mean replace him with a Titan?

Reduce his points cost. Simple, yet doesn't make him ridiculous like he used to be.

Just give him eternal warrior and a++ save, bump his points up to 260 and shabam Mephistons back!

Two simple things for me:

- Make him IC
- Make sanguine sword inherent, then he gets two additional rolls in the BRB if requested. It's dumb that he's a mastery lvl 3 who can only take two powers if you want to stray outside the codex.

 Evileyes wrote:
Mephiston needs to be made better?

Nope.

+1

Yeah I'm one of the people who's been harping that he sucks now in the Mephiston thread in the tactics forum, but he's really a stupidly-overpowered character... he's just not worth spending 250pts on in a list.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Yeah I'm one of the people who's been harping that he sucks now in the Mephiston thread in the tactics forum, but he's really a stupidly-overpowered character... he's just not worth spending 250pts on in a list.

I prefer tycho, but Mephiston can still phist most enemies.

Challanges against necron lords? Got it made.

He's also a good tarp it against ap3 or worse weapons

Basically he is screwed against anything that can get through his save. Or anything with a save he can't get through

Every Character has a archilles heel. they are not Primarches nor are they the E-man himself. just buffed generic BA or whatnot. i think meph is A-ok with me. seems like you want a OP [over-powered] auto include.


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 Lucarikx wrote:
Hey guys, I was thinking about ways to make good 'ol Mephy better.

1) Give him an AP2 weapon(that strikes at initiative)

2) Make him a MC(not sure about this one)

3) Give him invuln

What do you guys think?

Lucarikx

But regardless of what i just said if you could come up with some house rules. i am sure people would only be too happy to iron out anything ie gametest ideas, offer constructive critique of said ideas and see if something workable comes of it

Note: i am always up/down for writing/modding rules/houes rules.

You mean like doom of malantai, duke sliscus and baron sathoyx?

Since when is Sliscus or Sathonyx an auto-include?

They are ok but over overpriced and very limited, as well as frail and easily killed

Pre-6th Mephiston was batgak insane good, and still is pretty buff. Last thing he needs is more buffing.

I think he's good as he is, but if you really want to make him better maybe include FNP and make sanguine sword AP2 aswell (so you must cast a power to get AP2) and keep him at the same points if that stuff IS included, otherwise drop him to 220ish ?

 Ascalam wrote:
Since when is Sliscus or Sathonyx an auto-include?

They are ok but over overpriced and very limited, as well as frail and easily killed

Pre-6th Mephiston was batgak insane good, and still is pretty buff. Last thing he needs is more buffing.

They pretty much are now, you won't see many DE tourney lists without the baron as our hq sucks. Also all DE characters are brittle so what's your point?

Isn't santhanyx like 100 points with 12" move, a cover save bonus and a 2+ invuln?

2+ until he fails, that is.

He doesn't need to be re-done, he's finally balanced

Pre 6th edition Mephiston was an insane beat stick who required no strategic thinking besides "Hug cover, then hit stuff in CC". He was pretty much able to destroy most units.

Now, he's actually somewhat balanced. There are effective counters against him, but any good player can mostly avoid those and still play on his strength.
If Mephiston had an invul save, ap2 and/or IC status, it would just raise him back to the dumb level he was at. Now he is strong if used well and can fail easily if used wrong. That's what units should kinda be like.

Why these "lets make Mephiston better!" threads keep popping up all the time is beyond my comprehension.

Drop his strength and toughness down to 5 and make him an independant character. That along with a price reduction, 200 pnts or so, and he's just right.

Does the OP have any good reasons to believe he Mephiston needs fixing?

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Does the OP have any good reasons to believe he Mephiston needs fixing?

How about this reason: Chaos Space Marines have Abbadon, Vanilla Marines have Calgar, Space Wolves have Logan, and Grey Knights have Draigo. All of these characters have eternal warrior, iirc, and all of them have 2+ 4++ (3++ for Draigo) saves. All of them have crazy weapons (Calgars being the least unusual, although his shooting profile is ap2). All of them are independent characters. Why is it so foreign an idea that Blood Angels players would want a character that is in the same tier as these champions are? It makes sense.

Make Mephiston an independent character, and replace his preferred enemy psyker power with one that makes his attacks ap2, and his strengths 10 power with one that gives him a 4++ save till the end of the next turn, and I think he'll stand shoulder to shoulder with the other characters mentioned above.