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 Alpharius wrote:
I guess everything isn't Unicorns and Rainbows in Digital Land!

I'm sure it will be spun in such a way that us tree killers are still off worse.

 Alpharius wrote:
I guess everything isn't Unicorns and Rainbows in Digital Land!

Oh, no, it still is

I guarantee I'll be able to get a full digital copy before anyone waiting for the MMPB.

Wouldn't trade back to paper books as my primary reading source for anything.

Vulkan Lives review in route too, btw.

It won't be that expensive if by chapter four you realize you hate: the author, the style of writing, the storyline, or just the price tag. You can off yourself or the serial and no more fuss.

 Theophony wrote:
It won't be that expensive if by chapter four you realize you hate: the author, the style of writing, the storyline, or just the price tag. You can off yourself or the serial and no more fuss.

I know i know. But that's only if I don't like it. I actually really like Wraight's writing, and Brotherhood of the Storm was surprisingly fantastic. So, if I dip in the toe, chances are I'm going to be suckered into the full $36.

Plus, then I have to deal with 12 different files, which would suck.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
It won't be that expensive if by chapter four you realize you hate: the author, the style of writing, the storyline, or just the price tag. You can off yourself or the serial and no more fuss.

I know i know. But that's only if I don't like it. I actually really like Wraight's writing, and Brotherhood of the Storm was surprisingly fantastic. So, if I dip in the toe, chances are I'm going to be suckered into the full $36.

Plus, then I have to deal with 12 different files, which would suck.

Or you can wait till the end when they will release the collection for 48.00 because they had to merge the files together for you . Sorry guys I stop in from time to time to see if BL got their stuff pulled out of you know where. I'd like to buy AE and the other books, but even with them now being available in pb I still refuse to buy because of the slap in the face. I really enjoyed the series, but all this tomfoolery was just to much to make it enjoyable anymore.

 Theophony wrote:

Or you can wait till the end when they will release the collection for 48.00 because they had to merge the files together for you . Sorry guys I stop in from time to time to see if BL got their stuff pulled out of you know where. I'd like to buy AE and the other books, but even with them now being available in pb I still refuse to buy because of the slap in the face. I really enjoyed the series, but all this tomfoolery was just to much to make it enjoyable anymore.

Well, at the most it would be $36, but your hyperbole is duly noted.

I don't know what other tomfoolery you speak of, aside from the novellas. Unless you're one of the really mad-about-MMPB people. Then I know what you're speaking of. I completely disagree that it's in any way, shape, or form tomfoolery, but I know what you're talking about at least.

LOL serialization. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to remind us that we know nothing about publishing and this is actually the only thing that makes selling fiction possible these days. I just hope it's not Aaron this time as that would be truly shameful. In any case, I like Chris Wraight and I like the White Scars so ... I guess I'll see if I still want to buy this a year from now.

 Manchu wrote:
LOL serialization. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to remind us that we know nothing about publishing and this is actually the only thing that makes selling fiction possible these days. I just hope it's not Aaron this time as that would be truly shameful. In any case, I like Chris Wraight and I like the White Scars so ... I guess I'll see if I still want to buy this a year from now.

Again, I actually like the notion of serialization. Just not at this pricepoint.

Are there really people so desperate to read this WS story that they'll a) put up with a 12 week serialisation without going nuts and b) pay that ridiculous price ? I fear there may be... which is why BL keep pulling these tricks and I say this as someone prepared to pay for ebooks and even e-shorts while waiting for the MMPB to arrive. Personally I'll pass.

Agree with Alph too, at this rate it is only a matter of time before we have traitor Fists or Ultras running around

 cincydooley wrote:
Again, I actually like the notion of serialization. Just not at this pricepoint.

Yeah, at least you got four stories for $3.99 in H&B.

Eusebius wrote:
Are there really people so desperate to read this WS story that they'll a) put up with a 12 week serialisation without going nuts and b) pay that ridiculous price ? I fear there may be... which is why BL keep pulling these tricks and I say this as someone prepared to pay for ebooks and even e-shorts while waiting for the MMPB to arrive. Personally I'll pass.

Agree with Alph too, at this rate it is only a matter of time before we have traitor Fists or Ultras running around

For those of you that haven't read Brotherhood of the Storm:

There was already a pretty big schism being displayed in the White Scars between their Terran and Chogoris factions. I'd wager that may have something to do with it.


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 Manchu wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Again, I actually like the notion of serialization. Just not at this pricepoint.

Yeah, at least you got four stories for $3.99 in H&B.

My thoughts exactly.

And there were members loyal to Horus in the legion.

 cincydooley wrote:

Eusebius wrote:
Are there really people so desperate to read this WS story that they'll a) put up with a 12 week serialisation without going nuts and b) pay that ridiculous price ? I fear there may be... which is why BL keep pulling these tricks and I say this as someone prepared to pay for ebooks and even e-shorts while waiting for the MMPB to arrive. Personally I'll pass.

Agree with Alph too, at this rate it is only a matter of time before we have traitor Fists or Ultras running around

For those of you that haven't read Brotherhood of the Storm:

There was already a pretty big schism being displayed in the White Scars between their Terran and Chogoris factions. I'd wager that may have something to do with it.

Yeah, that really is part of the same 'problem' that I was talking about.

Not every Legion has to have The Dirty applied to it!

 Alpharius wrote:

Yeah, that really is part of the same 'problem' that I was talking about.

Not every Legion has to have The Dirty applied to it!

Can I ask why you don't like that? Not trying to be argumentative, just curious.

It kind of makes sense to do this with WS, though. I mean, they are not famous for being fanatically loyal like the IF or super fastidious like the UM. There are two ways this could go: (1) they're the Loyalist version of the Alpha Legion, like how people used to think of the DA, or (2) there are some wolves among the sheep, a reverse version of how there are guys like Garro, Tarvitz, and Loken among the traitors.

So every single Legion has to have a big secret and/or flaw?

It starts to come across as more of a way to drag things out than to 'make things interesting'.

Maybe I'm just jaded by now, and the bloom is off the rose, but yeah, how many more books until we get to Terra?

Every Legion certainly has a flaw ... and in the HH it would make sense that they'd all examine their flaws in light of this Big Question: do we remain loyal?

Alpharius wrote:I realize that we're in New Fluff territory now, but:

Of all the Legiones Astartes, the White Scars of Jaghatai Khan remain the most enigmatic and elusive.

Really?

And I kind of liked that in the past, the White Scars were loyal without a doubt, and were one of the main defenders of Terra when it all went down there.

I think the authors need to stop dirtying up every Legion just for the Grimdark of it.

I read it more as BL/GW acknowledging there's very little fluff on the HH Scars, but I most certainly agree with what you're saying.

cincydooley wrote:I was pretty prepared to like the Serialized HH novel. I actually really like serialization; it's like reading a TV show every week.

But $2.99 per chapter, with 12 chapters, is really pushing it. And I own all the limited novellas....

They should have done them for $1.99 a piece, with the option to purchase a "serial subscription" for like, $15-20 bucks. I'd have been sold on that.

I'm not sold on paying $36 bucks though.

Blah.

Agreed, I really liked the idea of serialisation as a way to get the novel without having to shell out for hardback or wait for 9 months, but not at this price.

cincydooley wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
It won't be that expensive if by chapter four you realize you hate: the author, the style of writing, the storyline, or just the price tag. You can off yourself or the serial and no more fuss.

I know i know. But that's only if I don't like it. I actually really like Wraight's writing, and Brotherhood of the Storm was surprisingly fantastic. So, if I dip in the toe, chances are I'm going to be suckered into the full $36.

Plus, then I have to deal with 12 different files, which would suck.

I guess that's exactly what they are thinking, and it wouldn't surprise me if people went for it: plastic crack or limited edition codices suggest to me it's a viable strategy for BL.

 Alpharius wrote:
So every single Legion has to have a big secret and/or flaw?

It starts to come across as more of a way to drag things out than to 'make things interesting'.

Maybe I'm just jaded by now, and the bloom is off the rose, but yeah, how many more books until we get to Terra?

I think the problem comes from the fact that BL wants to give each Legion their due to sate all of the fans (and of course their wallets).

I'm with you that I really want to get to Terra, but I'm really happy being along for the ride too.

Personally, I'd like them to have mapped out the next "big series" for when the HH finishes before they conclude the HH. I'd happily read anything about the Unification Wars or the time following the HH too.

Sure enough a BL defense of serialisation: http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/getting-serious-about-serials.html

I knew they were going to mention Dickens but come on!

 Manchu wrote:
Every Legion certainly has a flaw ... and in the HH it would make sense that they'd all examine their flaws in light of this Big Question: do we remain loyal?

I'm fine with every Legion having flaws, but are the Scars really the most enigmatic or elusive? Not the Alpha Legion, the Dark Angels...?

Eusebius wrote:
Sure enough a BL defense of serialisation: http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/getting-serious-about-serials.html

I knew they were going to mention Dickens but come on!

That's too funny. I mentioned something about Dickens on their FB page when they posted the announcement.

Do they happen to mention that the Dickens serials were FREE in the newspapers?

Doubt it

 Just Dave wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Every Legion certainly has a flaw ... and in the HH it would make sense that they'd all examine their flaws in light of this Big Question: do we remain loyal?

I'm fine with every Legion having flaws, but are the Scars really the most enigmatic or elusive? Not the Alpha Legion, the Dark Angels...?

In point of fact, we know more about both the Alpha Legion and DA than the White Scars. Those Legions may be the most secretive but the WS are apparently hiding in the open. This is kind of like the SW refrain of appearing to be barbarians.

 Just Dave wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Every Legion certainly has a flaw ... and in the HH it would make sense that they'd all examine their flaws in light of this Big Question: do we remain loyal?

I'm fine with every Legion having flaws, but are the Scars really the most enigmatic or elusive? Not the Alpha Legion, the Dark Angels...?

I thought the same thing, obviously, but I'll chalk this one up to 'Standard Advertising Hyperbole Limited To the Back Cover Of This Book'.

And yes, every Legion is flawed, but really?

Every Loyalist Legion teetered on the verge of Betrayal?

Though to be fair, I guess we haven't seen any such glimmers from the Imperial Fists.

Yet!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Every Legion certainly has a flaw ... and in the HH it would make sense that they'd all examine their flaws in light of this Big Question: do we remain loyal?

I'm fine with every Legion having flaws, but are the Scars really the most enigmatic or elusive? Not the Alpha Legion, the Dark Angels...?

I thought the same thing, obviously, but I'll chalk this one up to 'Standard Advertising Hyperbole Limited To the Back Cover Of This Book'.

And yes, every Legion is flawed, but really?

Every Loyalist Legion teetered on the verge of Betrayal?

Though to be fair, I guess we haven't seen any such glimmers from the Imperial Fists.

Yet!

I don't think we've seen it in any of the Dropsite victims, nor the Space Wolves either...

Good point!

And they actually removed some of the 'flaws' from Corax as well!

Manchu wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Every Legion certainly has a flaw ... and in the HH it would make sense that they'd all examine their flaws in light of this Big Question: do we remain loyal?

I'm fine with every Legion having flaws, but are the Scars really the most enigmatic or elusive? Not the Alpha Legion, the Dark Angels...?

In point of fact, we know more about both the Alpha Legion and DA than the White Scars. Those Legions may be the most secretive but the WS are apparently hiding in the open. This is kind of like the SW refrain of appearing to be barbarians.

I'm under the impression that's only because there's been more published about the Alpha Legion and Dark Angels, rather than the Scars actually being more enigmatic... Going back to the different interpretations by me and Alph.

To be honest, it DOES sort of make sense for the White Scars.

My main complaints with the Garro "Sword of Truth" audio drama was that the plot twist was so very obvious.

And it does make sense with what little we know about the White Scars. Plus, it differentiates them more from the Space Wolves.



I mean, that's what tribal based barbarians would probably do. Weren't the Mongols / Huns / Timur / (Dothraki ) known for quite regular backstabbery and infighting until someone put their foot down?

On that note, I probably should read Brotherhood of the Storm now.

As for the Fists, I can imagine their only 'betrayal' will be despair. I see the Imperial Fists and Dorn as being the main avatar of the slide of the Imperial of the 30th Millennium to the Imperial of the 41st. The info we've got about "The Unremembered Empire" so far seems to suggest to me that the dudes from the Crimson Fist story will be the staunchest 'loyalists' in the story.

I've never gotten the impression that WS wear their hearts on their sleeves like UM and IF. Alph could be right that it's just marketing hyperbole but from a out-of-setting perspective the statement is true. The only legions we know less about are II and XI.

It would be dumb to depict the UM, IF, SW, BA, or Sallies on the edge of rebellion. Thankfully, it hasn't happened -- despite certain interpretations of Guilliman.

I guess my main problem is that up until now, the loyalty of the White Scars has never been up for debate - not even a little, or a hint.

But then, yeah, we didn't really know all that much of them - besides their excellent Index Astartes article, of course.