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My apologies if this is already a topic somewhere, but I have looked and looked and I cannot find anything for the life of me...

Heralds of Chaos have an interesting box in the army list section of the new Chaos Daemons codex. It specifies that "Each primary detachment in your army may include up to four Heralds of Chaos, chosen in any combination from the following models:" and then proceeds to list the various Heralds.

Does this mean that Heralds of Chaos can ONLY be purchased when you are using Chaos Daemons as your primary detachment? Or does it mean that you can have up to 4 Heralds of Chaos as a single HQ slot in a primary detachment and then only a SINGLE Herald of Chaos when purchased as an allied contingent?

As far as I can see, that box only specifies that each primary detachment can have up to 4 Heralds in a single slot, but they still remain a normal HQ choice when purchased as part of an allied force. Of course, that is also the way that my bias is leaning so...I'd rather have someone else work it out for me.

Thanks

I would interpret it as only available in the primary detachment, in much the same way as servitors are only available if you take a techmarine or command squads only if you take an HQ character.


I don't expect it to actually stay that way though, I would imagine that it will be FAQ'd to 4-to-1 for Primary and 1-to-1 for Allied detachments. But as written, definitely Primary only.

GameFreak975 wrote:
Or does it mean that you can have up to 4 Heralds of Chaos as a single HQ slot in a primary detachment and then only a SINGLE Herald of Chaos when purchased as an allied contingent?

This is correct.

GameFreak975 wrote:
Or does it mean that you can have up to 4 Heralds of Chaos as a single HQ slot in a primary detachment and then only a SINGLE Herald of Chaos when purchased as an allied contingent?

This is how it reads to me. It's how I've been playing it.

Chrysis wrote:
I would interpret it as only available in the primary detachment, in much the same way as servitors are only available if you take a techmarine or command squads only if you take an HQ character.

I don't expect it to actually stay that way though, I would imagine that it will be FAQ'd to 4-to-1 for Primary and 1-to-1 for Allied detachments. But as written, definitely Primary only.

This is incorrect because the Heralds exist as a choice in the HQ section. There's a rule that applies to Primary contingents, but nothing in that rule removes Heralds as a selection for Allied contingents.

So you have permission and no denial, meaning its a valid choice.

So do units of Servitors. That the limit is attached directly to the unit of servitors rather than as per the heralds is an efficiency consideration (in the heralds case) rather than having any meaning in and of itself. After all, the Servitor's specific restriction is unique to the servitor unit, while the heralds would all share the exact same restriction.

But again, I don't expect that to actually be the case once GW rules.

The servitors restriction is a denial of permission (unless you have a Techmarine). You can't do X unless you do Y.

Find the denial for Heralds in an allied contingent.

It's only a denial of permission as an exception.

The servitors are "You may include a unit of servitors for each Techmarine...".

The Heralds are "Each Primary Detachment may include up to 4 Heralds..."

Functionally identical. Either both are exceptions to unstated rules denying permission or neither are.

Chrysis wrote:
It's only a denial of permission as an exception.

The servitors are "You may include a unit of servitors for each Techmarine...".

The Heralds are "Each Primary Detachment may include up to 4 Heralds..."

Functionally identical. Either both are exceptions to unstated rules denying permission or neither are.

That's not how they read though. For the servitors it means you must have a Techmarine in order to include them. The Heralds only mention Primary detachment, not allied detachment.

If you're not taking a Techmarine you cannot take Servitors.
If you're not building a Primary detachment, you cannot take 4 Heralds in one HQ slot.

That's the only thing the Herald rule disallows.

Right. And the servitors don't mention what happens if you don't have a Techmarine. That's my point.

The servitors tell you you may include a unit for each techmarine, which implies that you may not include a unit without a techmarine.

The heralds tell you you may include up to 4 in each Primary Detachment. Which implies you may not include up to 4 in a non-Primary Detachment.

The Dark Angels techmarine is actually a better example than the Servitors as the rule is laid out identically. Except that the techmarine is a "For each X you may include Y" while the Heralds are "Each X may include Y", indicating "ownership" of the Y in question.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
The "In one slot" is actually a separate sentence. So the permission for primary detachments is to take up to 4 heralds. The permission for servitors is to take a single unit. Both have extra rules attached about the number of force org slots they take up, 1 and 0 respectively.