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Hi,

Just wondering if it's possible for an emperor's champion to be seconded to the deathwatch or do the deathwatch have their own champions like the BT?

I thought the Great Mushroom was a ceremonial thing done before each major battle? As in, one good sword-swinging crazy is selected and given the ceremonial stuff for that battle. After the fight he's either dead or back to regular crazy again, the ceremonial stuff back in storage.

A former GM could well be sent to the Deathwatch ofc. And far as I know the Deathwatch does things quite differently than most Chapters would do it. They don't do Champions, line battles and challenges, they go in more like present-day Special Forces units.

Yeah the Emperor's Champion is something you are before a battle, and then you usually cease being said Champion once the battle is done. It's the most temporary position within any Marine Chapter.

Yes, the Deathwatch do have dedicated Deathwatch champions the same way most codex chapters have company champions or chapter champions. The Black templar champions are very different and really any BT in the deathwatch may "see the light"as it were and take up the mantle of a traditional BT Emperor's champion, though usually only if he can convince his brothers, most likely another BT, that he is deserving of the honor. Also helps if that particular Deathwatch watch fortress has BT relics available for the marine to use.

The black sword will stay in black hands till none are left to bear it

Exactly. That particular Watch Fortress (or Watch Station, for DW strike cruiser) needs to have a black sword and armour of faith among their relics for a BT to call himself an Emperor's champion. Some will, and some won't.

I've never heard of the Deathwatch having champions...
I mean they might do but if they do I've never heard of it.

From the Deathwatch sourcebook Rites of Battle. I don't have the page number with me unfortunately. And the information about BT Emperor's Champions operating in the deathwatch is in Honour the Chapter, another DW sourcebook.

Um ...pardon the interruption, but I don't see BT joining the deathwatch as they are usually led by either an inquisitor or a Librarian of some kind and if my fluff correctly recalls BT won't(as in WILL NOT) join any unit or work along side any team that uses "witchcraft" ...but I could be wrong.

Nah in terms of the Inquisition BT are okay with psykers...
If it says in the sourcebook that Champions are in the deathwatch then I guess they are.
Hmm just looked it up. It's a champion similar to the way BT do it but more permanent, it also wouldn't mean BT have to use BT gear...

Well...seeing as BT are one of the base chapters you can play as in DW, it'd be kinda difficult to say that they don't join. Also, the old material did say that DW squads are led by an Inquisitor, but in the newer material, the DW have much more autonomy, similar to the GK. They still work alongside inquisitors and an inquisitor that is part of a squad would be seen as an equal but the DW squads are no longer exclusively led by an inquisitor.

Just keep in mind that there are two different champions being talked about. One in Rites of Battle and one in Honour the Chapter.

SGrimhart wrote:Um ...pardon the interruption, but I don't see BT joining the deathwatch as they are usually led by either an inquisitor or a Librarian of some kind

This may also depend on which Deathwatch you're looking at. The one presented in GW's material operates under the auspices of the Inquisition and as an integral part of the Ordo Xenos. FFG's version of the Deathwatch is an independent entity with its own command structure, completely independent from and merely allied with the Inquisition.

That being said, even with GW's Deathwatch, there has been fluff of Black Templars operating together with the Inquisition (see: Vinculus Crusade). Also, GW's Deathwatch also lists Deathwatch Captains (and Librarians) as alternate team leaders to Inquisitors. If there really is an issue with the Black Templar Deathwatch Marine, he could simply be assigned to a team led by either a non-psychic Inquisitor, or one that is led by a Deathwatch Captain.

 Lynata wrote:

SGrimhart wrote:Um ...pardon the interruption, but I don't see BT joining the deathwatch as they are usually led by either an inquisitor or a Librarian of some kind

This may also depend on which Deathwatch you're looking at. The one presented in GW's material operates under the auspices of the Inquisition and as an integral part of the Ordo Xenos. FFG's version of the Deathwatch is an independent entity with its own command structure, completely independent from and merely allied with the Inquisition.

That being said, even with GW's Deathwatch, there has been fluff of Black Templars operating together with the Inquisition (see: Vinculus Crusade). Also, GW's Deathwatch also lists Deathwatch Captains (and Librarians) as alternate team leaders to Inquisitors. If there really is an issue with the Black Templar Deathwatch Marine, he could simply be assigned to a team led by either a non-psychic Inquisitor, or one that is led by a Deathwatch Captain.

That's technically how the Ordo Malleus works with Grey Knights.

They are independent, but will work for Ordo X

I suppose that, too, depends on the source one is looking at.
I remember that the Index Astartes and GW's Inquisitor game specifically made them a subsidiary of the Ordo Malleus.

Wait, BT Emp Champs get bumped back to regular marine after every battle? Didn't that emp champ from the BT novels go through like 2-3 warzones before getting himself orknapped?