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Crossroads can be used as a corner

There should be a corner tile available but maybe as an addon rather than in the main set?

The question is, do we need 4 cross sections (4 ways) or just 2. When in combo with other types (I plan on getting 2 sets of 4x4 if not 3) then I can mix and match... I would like an option for a single road with a turn (like those old skoll starcraft maps where you had to protect a squad across a map)

 PLC wrote:
I'm guessing that it will reach $300-350k from here.

I'm going to guess that you'll end up being too low by 2x to 3x, minimum.

Especially once he starts adding in 'freebie' stretch goals of objective markers, terrain and/or bases...

The crossroads can work as a pi/2 turn (up with radians, down with degrees!) if you put some barricades up along the sides you don't want to use, or if you add some sidewalks. It would look very modular, but honestly I can see Cities of the Fyooturz as being big old modular things where buildings are built with premade concrete slabs (already are) and roads are built with premade blocks that just get dropped into place after leveling the ground.

I do really hope we reach the point where freebies become a viable option. I think it would really help to not only keep current backers like myself in rather than waiting till the release but also draw in many more people. As it is there is always a faint chance that Mantic's upcoming ks may force me to redirect my funds depending on how good it looks!

I think it would definitely be worth while putting that in the next update MisterJ.

If people know that you're gonna start chucking freebies in then i'm sure it'd boost pledges exponentially

Not every company can afford to throw in freebies though.

No no i realise that. From a money making stand point freebies are bad. But from a fund raising persepective the possibility of freebies is sure to bring in more people.

But to quote the man himself.

 misterjustin wrote:
I am actually considering something like that -- and if I can make it work it will certainly happen. Now if we break $500k or so then I'll probably go nuts and give away bases, objective markers, or other resin goodies

So that was my point, if Justin were to put in the next update the Free stuff would be included at "X" amount of money then people might be more enticed to pledge.

 BrookM wrote:
Not every company can afford to throw in freebies though.

Agreed!

But right now, and perhaps more importantly, in terms of keeping this one surging forward, there should probably be some sort of incentive to back now vs. wait until retail release later on this year.

 Alpharius wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Not every company can afford to throw in freebies though.

Agreed!

But right now, and perhaps more importantly, in terms of keeping this one surging forward, there should probably be some sort of incentive to back now vs. wait until retail release later on this year.

Other then the whole "it won't exist" aspect

Let the guy enjoy whatever-con first, then we'll see what happens.

Is SW showing these in your booth at AdeptiCon, Cyp?

If so, it's the big orange booth, everyone

Alph, you are missing the entire true point of kickstarting I think... If you want the product to exist, then you support it in advance so you can have it at all.

KoD, SW-BfO and RK all promised the moon in extras and are now struggling because of it. Justin wants to make sure everything is conservatively estimated to ensure he an deliver what he says... In the end you should stay in to do exactly what KS is for, getting the product made, period.

 RiTides wrote:
Is SW showing these in your booth at AdeptiCon, Cyp?

If so, it's the big orange booth, everyone

Yep, look for the orange booth next to CoolMini

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Alph, you are missing the entire true point of kickstarting I think... If you want the product to exist, then you support it in advance so you can have it at all.

KoD, SW-BfO and RK all promised the moon in extras and are now struggling because of it. Justin wants to make sure everything is conservatively estimated to ensure he an deliver what he says... In the end you should stay in to do exactly what KS is for, getting the product made, period.

This, I'd rather see Justin play it safe and see all parties come out happy rather than catering to us just like those other companies out there with missed deadlines or post-project woes for the company.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Alph, you are missing the entire true point of kickstarting I think...

To cut out the middle men like stores and distributors and sell direct to the consumer via a glorified preorder mechanic for greater per unit profit during the all important initial splash period?

It seems like most of the Kickstarters that don't meet the above criteria don't seem to do very well relatively. I can't say that I've been a part of the solution though as the few projects that were true kickstarters that I was interested in didn't get my money specifically because I was worried about them delivering in a competent fashion (like Thon).

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Alph, you are missing the entire true point of kickstarting I think... If you want the product to exist, then you support it in advance so you can have it at all.

KoD, SW-BfO and RK all promised the moon in extras and are now struggling because of it. Justin wants to make sure everything is conservatively estimated to ensure he an deliver what he says... In the end you should stay in to do exactly what KS is for, getting the product made, period.

In other words, kickstarters are to fund a project, not to drain it of funds.

Well, yes, and no.

For me, I need to get a little something while at the same time giving a little something.

Quid pro quo!

Still, I've no doubt that this one will be quite successful indeed!

You are taking a risk with KS. You have nothing proof positive of how the final product will actually look or perform. So there is always that inherent risk. If they had the tooling to make the boards in plastic to show us, why run a KS and not just start selling it? We're trusting the finished product will look as good as they claim, so there is a little justification that you should either get something extra or get a discount of some sort.

In this case, free shipping shouldn't be discluded from being an added perk. Depending on where folks are, it might be marginally more if they wait for retail.

No kidding?

I'm guessing we're on different wavelengths here - and that's OK!

Earth Dragon wrote:
You are taking a risk with KS. You have nothing proof positive of how the final product will actually look or perform. So there is always that inherent risk. If they had the tooling to make the boards in plastic to show us, why run a KS and not just start selling it? We're trusting the finished product will look as good as they claim, so there is a little justification that you should either get something extra or get a discount of some sort.

In this case, free shipping shouldn't be discluded from being an added perk. Depending on where folks are, it might be marginally more if they wait for retail.

Well, he has the one section done as demo, to prove he can get the quality out he promised... I don't think the end result is really in question on this one with the proof of concept in hand and shown... many of us probably have our grubby hands on it right this second at Adepticon!

 MajorTom11 wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:
You are taking a risk with KS. You have nothing proof positive of how the final product will actually look or perform. So there is always that inherent risk. If they had the tooling to make the boards in plastic to show us, why run a KS and not just start selling it? We're trusting the finished product will look as good as they claim, so there is a little justification that you should either get something extra or get a discount of some sort.

In this case, free shipping shouldn't be discluded from being an added perk. Depending on where folks are, it might be marginally more if they wait for retail.

Well, he has the one section done as demo, to prove he can get the quality out he promised... I don't think the end result is really in question on this one with the proof of concept in hand and shown... many of us probably have our grubby hands on it right this second at Adepticon!

It's all mine!

Seriously though: stop by OTL to see the boards, they look fantastic.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Alph, you are missing the entire true point of kickstarting I think... If you want the product to exist, then you support it in advance so you can have it at all.

KoD, SW-BfO and RK all promised the moon in extras and are now struggling because of it. Justin wants to make sure everything is conservatively estimated to ensure he an deliver what he says... In the end you should stay in to do exactly what KS is for, getting the product made, period.

In other words, kickstarters are to fund a project, not to drain it of funds.

I've said much the same thing in other kickstarter discussions. You look at the project, what's being offered and who's doing it, and decide for yourself if it's a worthwhile investment. I've also written in support of the opinion that previous kickstarters are generating something of an unhealthy entitlement mentality in prospective supporters.

In the end, support it or don't for your own reasons.

I'd agree on the mentality topic, so many kickstarters have showed people with extra addons that it seems like people come to expect it. I try to judge the pledge level on the basis of is this something I would spend X on? If so i jump on it, the extra stretch freebies are just gravy. Reaper was the only KS that I jumped in just for the stupid amounts of extra stuff

On the other hand...

I don't think it is unrealistic to look for some perk in exchange for your 'belief' and, more importantly, your monetary support, of a project.

But again, opinions differ, to each his own, etc. etc.

 Alpharius wrote:
On the other hand...

I don't think it is unrealistic to look for some perk in exchange for your 'belief' and, more importantly, your monetary support, of a project.

But again, opinions differ, to each his own, etc. etc.

i can also agree with that, the right extras can often be more then often to knock someone off the fence and get them to pledge. I've passed on more then a few kickstarters that I had limited interest in but likely would have pledge for them if there was a sweetner

I still think a poll to what type of board people want.
The roads are in... but what next.

Also, the limitation of buying additional individual boards (while logistically understandable) is a pain point for the 4x4 selection (IE, I don't really want 4 crossways... but 2 and an extra 2 foundation might work) for example.

I have to wait till towards the end to pledge because of money issues, but this looks fantastic. Id love to paint some of these puppies up. Looking forward to seeing more progress for you guys,

Fox

 ironicsilence wrote:
I'd agree on the mentality topic, so many kickstarters have showed people with extra addons that it seems like people come to expect it. I try to judge the pledge level on the basis of is this something I would spend X on? If so i jump on it, the extra stretch freebies are just gravy. Reaper was the only KS that I jumped in just for the stupid amounts of extra stuff

Then again, Kickstarters are like an interest-free loan for the people who run the campaigns with no kinds of guarantees at all for the backers as to the quality, timeline or anything else. Questioning anything these days often gets you a reply akin to "it's Kickstarter, idiot! Expect 6+ month delays!" There's a bit of an entitlement mentality on the part of more than a couple of our gaming Kickstarter campaign-starters I've noticed (Not Justin, thankfully). I was in for Sedition Wars long before it became a Freebie-O-Rama, and unfortunately, the finished product is merely Okay, and not nearly as good quality as was promised or anticipated based on their established products.

Ultimately though, the products that come through these are (usually) destined for retail distribution anyway, and so there's a bit of a balance between getting in early (and maybe saving a few bucks in exchange for paying your $100+ 6 months or a year (or two in this case?) in advance, which also gets the product out, and supporting the finished product at retail while keeping the money in your pocket or supporting other businesses with that same dollar.

But, you know - don't feel entitled to any individuals' dollars. On this forum we're giving money up front to people so they can make toys and games that we might like to help their businesses make more money. We're not exactly donating money to cure cancer or end world hunger or so forth, so the high horse probably doesn't belong in the discussion...