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Kinda sorta agree on the ruined temple needing a set or one tile that can be turned to created some bigger ruins that span across. All the other ones work really well with low continuity, but these ones I can see a bit of need for both tile spanning ruins and also elevation on said ruins. I have faith in Justin though, let's see what he comes up with!

 DaveC wrote:
ALL Urban street designs now have an 8 square grid plus there will be subtle markings like cracks on the roads to mark out the 3"x3" grid where it can't be done with paving stones.

Do I understand this right: We went from "No grid because premeasuring is bad in most tabletops" to "Grids for everyone because I know a game on kickstarter needing a grid" ?

I think with a bit of work we could lose a bit of the modular features and glue down 4 tiles making a big square 2x2 with a more continuous design.

Kroot- No, they just changed the grid size afaik, it was a 7-wide instead of 8-wide grid previously (again, afaik).

Wow, I just had to let my EB wargamer go and it was gobbled up within seconds!

 Baragash wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
My fear with the ruined temple parts is that they look very compartmentalised. So rather than having a board that is a ruined temple, you have a board with 36 individual ruined temple bits that don't spill over. A very neat mess, in other words. It would look unnatural.

Good observation - it would be good if there was something in the design that made some of the tiles flow from one to another.

Perhaps if there was some element of ruined structure...



But done subtly enough that if you don't line them up it doesn't look bad either.

See, I want less ruins, and more of the central plaza in your second picture. The ruins spanning across tiles should be the scatter terrain, not built into the tiles. I want really spectacular tiles that can be put together to make a plaza. I totally think some elevation could be built into some of the tiles, such as a nice large fountain, or some plinths for statues or altars or tombs, etc. but this is way too busy and certainly doesn't allow for terrain to be placed on top of it. With this set, I think less is more. Spruce up that dead zone board with different sized cobbles/tiles on the tile, so that it looks like it would be in a church/temple or a courtyard/plaza surrounding that temple or castle or what have you. This would then marry up to so many other choices, like the RoB, the other SWM sets, pretty much anything.

Also, when I said Roman plaza earlier, I wasn't thinking broken columns and stuff in the tiles, but rather clean rows of cobbles and tiles that would flow from one of these tiles over into the next. You could even incorporate a circular pattern or other mosaic, because you could have the edges match up to other tiles on two sides, and the circle, with four tiles repeated, could be a center piece, or in the corners of the board, so still allows many layouts......the stuff shown just is TOO cluttered. I can't set my fantasy castle on that, I can't put the chaos temple on that, I can't put my anything on those tiles as its just far too busy. I might be the first KS to say this, but I want Less!

They did say there will be less clutter in the next concept pic of it so a lot of folks may be pleased by that.

I'd like a mixture of both "plaza" style and tiles that suggest some "structure" continuity - I went for those pictures as I thought intact buildings made a better illustration than ruins of where there might be continuity.

Exactly. There has to be continuity between the tiles, otherwise it's just these neat 1x1 piles of temple-themed rubble set up in a 6x4 grid and it'll look really weird.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Exactly. There has to be continuity between the tiles, otherwise it's just these neat 1x1 piles of temple-themed rubble set up in a 6x4 grid and it'll look really weird.

This is the main reason why I am getting the Urban Roads and waiting for the trenches.
Most cohesive groups.

Also like the 1.5 inch grid on the tables as well (perfect for FFG games... even if not 1 inch). Means we can fit larger models finally ;-)

Kroothawk wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
ALL Urban street designs now have an 8 square grid plus there will be subtle markings like cracks on the roads to mark out the 3"x3" grid where it can't be done with paving stones.

Do I understand this right: We went from "No grid because premeasuring is bad in most tabletops" to "Grids for everyone because I know a game on kickstarter needing a grid" ?

RiTides wrote:Kroot- No, they just changed the grid size afaik, it was a 7-wide instead of 8-wide grid previously (again, afaik).

In the quote it is explicitely stated that all urban tiles get a grid, not just the "basement tile".

200K AND 1000 backers both broken near simultaneously! Very cool

THERE WILL BE NO GRID ON URBAN STREETS -- Just so we're clear

If, and only if, we can make it look natural, organic, and anything but obvious we will align SOME of the natural cracking on the Urban Streets tiles to HELP people line up their grids. But the Urban Streets set WILL NOT HAVE A GRID because I would hate that with all of my heart and soul.

Also, hello. I'm trying to get caught up again and this one was a biggie!

RUINED TEMPLE
The concepts that folks are commenting on are intentionally heavy handed. We're sorting through ruined elements -- defiled graves, fallen walls, bits of column, etc. -- and NOT looking to finalize the tiles yet.

The finished concepts will include plenty of dirt and cut stone -- with raised foundation tiles that fill the full 12" square so you can either make a BIG temple complex, or lots of smaller ones.

We're still working on changes to the Ruined Temple and I've given the green light to 6 of 16 elements -- and asked for an all new round of sketches. None of what you can see at the moment will be in the final concepts, let alone the renders.

ONE THOUSAND PLEDGES!
While I was trying to wrestle my kid into the shower, and get back to this reply (I honestly started almost two hours ago!) we broke 1,000 pledges on the campaign. So there's that. We also seem to have broken $200,000 which fully unlocks the "Rolling Fields" theme -- and while that number will go up and down for the next few hours I think that makes it official!

And now I'll go away again until there are a couple of pages of new comments so I can try to get caught up. Hats off to Cyporiean for keeping up with some of the questions for me. Things are so busy it's almost physically painful!

NP Justin, Happy to help.

And also remind folks that now that the Fields are unlocked all backers get a copy of Brushfire's Second Edition PDF.

The Fields is a great tileset to play Brushfie on, and its Wall set is conveniently the right sizing to work with Brushfire's Fortification rules.

misterjustin / Cyp- so since the Urban Streets will not have a grid, can you clarify if the Deadzone tiles are a completely separate mold/cast, or what is going on there?

 RiTides wrote:
misterjustin / Cyp- so since the Urban Streets will not have a grid, can you clarify if the Deadzone tiles are a completely separate mold/cast, or what is going on there?

The Deadzone tiles is just the Foundation Tile for the Urban Streets set, they were already made up of concrete slabs in a grid pattern, when the Deadzone deal happened the size of the grid was modified to be 1.5"/3" squares. The Deadzone set is 1 single tile repeated 4 times.

Additionally, the Sidewalks on the other tiles in the set were had the same concrete slab grid pattern going on, and those will be modified as well to match up.

Congrats Justin, you're making a great product, and I'm glad your KS has been so successful.

Please don't mistake my criticism of the ruins as anything other than hoping to maybe get it closer to what I'm wanting. I'm looking forward to the next round pictures. Go SWM!

It gives me great pleasure to include the "100% FUNDED!" graphic for the "Rolling Fields" table theme.

Of course this theme, like the others, has gone through some changes since it was first introduced -- and will now include TWO unique straight creek designs instead of one -- but here's a look at the Display Board option to give you an idea of what we're working on:

The concept artist and 3D designer are cranking away, and I should have new renders on Monday (6-May) to show off as we come into the final stretch.

"Ruined Temple" is next in the queue -- with a Display Board option at $240,000 -- and TOTALLY WITHIN REACH!

My thanks (again!) for your continued support, enthusiasm, and feedback. We're going to rock this thing!

So first Not-Scifi tileset is unlocked, get pledging Fantasy/Historical Players!

Yup, Cyporiean has the right of it. One of the Urban Streets foundation tiles had 7 squares to a row on it, and now it has 8. The Display Board option for Deadzone is just that one tile repeated four times, per Mantic's request. The rest of the set is still all Urban Streets per our original vision.

Missing from the $200k "Rolling Fields" update was the incredible freebie offered up by On The Lamb Games -- everyone will be receiving a copy of the Brushfire rules!

With "Rolling Fields" unlocked you'll see the tiles at the On The Lamb Games booth as demo tables, and they're the perfect companion to your force -- with rough-hewn rocks, and boulder scatter terrain on the way to help you flesh out your world.

Many thanks to On The Lamb Games -- for this gift, but also for hosting the tiles at Adepticon, helping me keep up with comments here (and on DakkaDakka!), and otherwise rockin' an excellent game and being wonderful.

You can of course find out more about Brushfire and On The Lamb Games by visiting our Website.. or the Dakka Subsection.

So can you list out what the display board options are currently?

Is it:

Scrap Yard
Clean Urban Streets
Damaged Urban Streets
Deadzone
Rolling Fields

Or is there only one "urban streets" option (rather than a clean and a damaged one) for the display board?

 RiTides wrote:
So can you list out what the display board options are currently?

Is it:

Scrap Yard
Clean Urban Streets
Damaged Urban Streets
Deadzone
Rolling Fields

Or is there only one "urban streets" option (rather than a clean and a damaged one) for the display board?

I believe you have it right, but that would be for Justin to say for sure.

1000 backers! Rolling Fields unlocked!

Tom- You are a little late to the party but welcome anyway

What? It just happened as I was looking at the KS just now! Not the rolling fields display boards, the whole 8 tile set -

Oh, I see- yeah someone was adjusting their pledge and it temporarily dropped back down below 200K. But you can see that SW's update saying 200k was past was several minutes ago, and we've kind of got a page full of comments here and on the KS page about it

I think it dropped down as people were adjusting their pledges and bumped back up, so, technically, I was correct!

 MajorTom11 wrote:
What? It just happened as I was looking at the KS just now! Not the rolling fields display boards, the whole 8 tile set -

Yeah, it happened like 40 minutes ago, and then there was a bit of back sliding, but its back up there again

Yeah.... lol

DISPLAY BOARD OPTIONS

Scrap Yard
Clean Urban Streets
Damaged Urban Streets
Deadzone
Rolling Fields

This list is correct.