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**Mathieu Raymond**

So if this slips into April-May 2014... that means Dreamforge is going to get pushed back even further... *groan*

It's nothing against Mark, or MrJustin, or any creators out there, but WGF has got to get its ducks in a row and start banging out projects reliably, or limiting the workload it takes on in order to control delays.

DFG will be a year late IF we get Wave 3 in May.

Az, are we really going to spread the negativity to other threads now?

**Azazelx**

Well, when 80% of the projects you back end up the same way...

**scarletsquig**

WGF stuff is worth waiting for.

Only really good hard plastic toolmaker in the industry currently that still has pricing to fit the scope of most wargaming kickstarters.

I don't mind if it takes them time, better to have them busy and expanding as a company than not getting enough work.

**Snrub**

Good things come to those who wait. If you really want it, then it's worth waiting for.

**Alpharius**

scarletsquig wrote:
WGF stuff is worth waiting for.

Only really good hard plastic toolmaker in the industry currently that still has pricing to fit the scope of most wargaming kickstarters.

I don't mind if it takes them time, better to have them busy and expanding as a company than not getting enough work.

Couldn't agree more.

I know I'd have waited a lot longer for a lot of sub-par projects if I knew I was waiting for WGF to get the job done...

**Mathieu Raymond**

I don't think I was clear in how I expressed myself. I don't mind waiting. What I do mind is missed deadlines. Self imposed deadlines, at that. I know there is bound to be a little bit of slip, that's a given.

I do hope those Tablescapes grab an important part of the market. Most of my gaming buddies were daunted by the time it takes to make the base of a table (let alone the scenery on it) and the price of the Realm of Battle boards was further deterrent. Apparently, GW couldn't have been bothered to do a quick paint job on the one they sent to Behaviour, in charge of the Eternal Crusade MMOFPS.

**Azazelx**

It's also about queue bumping and a lack of meaningful communication. In this case at least as much to Justin and Mark as from them. In this case we essentially just went from "everything on target, you'll have your stuff in a few weeks" to "here's a 3-month window that starts in 6 weeks that we hope to have it in." Dreamforge doesn't even have that.

Not everything can be handwaved away with "it's kickstarter guys, of course it's going to be a year late! What did you expect?" - especially on these projects that were backed well before 6+ month delays became the norm, and before creators stating that "No, really, our timeline will be accurate!" - Check the G&G board thread for that....

**Snrub**

Ok two updates today people.

Update #89

Nov 29, 2013
Secret Weapon - Winter Sale!
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Greetings backers!

First up, for those that don't know, Secret Weapon is getting in on the obligatory winter sale madness -- with 20% off today, 15% through the weekend, and 10% off for the entire month of December. I just thought that you might like to know

http://www.secretweaponminiatures.com/

And now I'm going to start loading up the Rolling Fields renders... because they're finished.

BAM!

and lots of people been waiting for this one.

Update #90

Nov 29, 2013
Rolling Fields - NOW WITH RENDERS!
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Hello again backers!

I woke up this morning and found the complete set of Rolling Fields renders waiting for me... and here they are:

Rolling fields could probably make a nice desert board if painted yellow.

**Joyboozer**

The hills rolled off?

**Cyporiean**

Snrub wrote:

Rolling fields could probably make a nice desert board if painted yellow.

Yeah, some nice light browns/yellows and you've got a great desert.

Whites/Blues/Greys and you've got winter wonderland.

Reds/browns and you've got Mars.

Blacks/greys and you've got an ash world.

It will be the most versatile set, and I don't think people really appreciated that fact during the campaign.

**Snrub**

I think you're right there Cyp. People probably didn't appreciate that fact during the campaign. Myself included. Looking at the renders now, the possibilities for various uses are immense.

However, look at the differences between the current renders and the original concept art.

Spoiler:

The concept art doesn't give off the same versatility that the renders do. Even looking at the concept drawings now, I still don't see desert/ashwaste/etc. I see forests, grasslands, hills, etc. (Or with enough of the right trees, a convincing jungle board)
I'd imagine that a lot of people may have thought the same way at the time.

Compare even these renders to the RoBB. the Rolling Hills Tablescape will beat out the RoBB everytime and for one reason. NO

SKULL PITS!

**Joyboozer**

So far my only disappointment with this kickstarter is that I didn't get ruined city to go with my junkyard, fields and temple.

**Snrub**

The ruined urban is unlocked. It was unlocked before fields or temple...

**Necros**

I was gonna paint my rolling fields as a rolling desert too

**Joyboozer**

Snrub wrote:
The ruined urban is unlocked. It was unlocked before fields or temple...

Nah, I mean I didn't buy one, just the other three, now wish I had.

**DaveC**

They will be opening up the pledge manager again around each shipping phase so there may be a chance to get it later.

**Snrub**

Joyboozer wrote:
Nah, I mean I didn't buy one, just the other three, now wish I had.

Oh right, I'm with ya now.

But really... 3 tables not enough for you?

**Snrub**

More rolling fields renders.

Update #91

Dec 3, 2013
Rolling Fields - Revisions
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And here we have it, updated versions of the corner stream bend, and the rock pile for your viewing pleasure.

We're rolling on to Ruined Temple while these get some final touch-up treatment.

And I'll be pestering the factory for a production update on Urban Streets, of course. Stay tuned for more....

**Tibbsy**

Really wish I'd gone for Rolling Fields now; instead of 2 Urban tables

**Portugal Jones**

I am suddenly much more pleased with getting gritting my teeth at the 'rolling fields' concept art and figuring that I could make a desert scape out of it somehow when the time came, and so picked it as my third tileset.

**Dinamarth**

Can someone please PM me when the Pledge Manager reopens again? Lol

**Azazelx**

With the delays affecting shipping dates, he's said there may not be a second PM wave anymore.

**Snrub**

Getting there folks. Getting there.

Update #92

Dec 20, 2013
File Progress & Add-On Shipping Update
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Hello Tablescapes fans!

This is just a very quick update for folks as I don't like going too long between updates, and I know from my inbox that many of you are hungry for news.
FILE PROGRESS

I just uploaded 7/8 of the Rolling Fields tiles. The stream bed corner has been saved for last, in the hope that we'll have time to go back and do some touch-up work.

I have received 12/16 of the Ruined Temple tiles for review, but I've asked for changes on 6 of those... so you don't get to see them yet. I know you'd like to, but I don't want to open up comments on them until I'm satisfied with the direction they're taking.

Look for Ruined Temple renders next week though, because we'll have everything wrapped up by the end of the month!

ADD-ON SHIPPING UPDATE

The add-on items from our catalog have mostly shipped. There are some items, such as the wall sets, that we're still holding. We should have everything else out by the end of the month though.

And that's it for now....

**Snrub**

I don't have time to link the photos at the moment, i'll do it later. Have a link instead.

Update #93

Dec 24, 2013
Ruined Temple Renders
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Hello backers!

I have received 13/16 of the Ruined Temple renders -- and rather than make you wait for the last of them I wanted to get an update posted. The rest of this week is going to be crazy, so...

And just in case you missed it... yes, we now have TWO different amphitheater tiles for your Ruined Temple building pleasure

And because we could, here's a pit full of skulls for you

One of the unfinished tiles is another set of tombs - but with four on the tile.

And there you have it - progress on Ruined Temple is coming along, and we're on track to meet the deadline at the factory to get everything shipped in March.

WOO HOO!

**nkelsch**

Happy how these ruined temple boards turned out. Sad I won't be able to choose the ones I want and will be given 4 tiles of the creator's choice for my 2x2 display board pledge.

All I can hope is that the ones I get are the ones I want.

**RiTides**

Wait- it's a fixed, not a random, 4 tiles for the display boards, right?

**Cyporiean**

RiTides wrote:
Wait- it's a fixed, not a random, 4 tiles for the display boards, right?

Correct. Ruined Temple is 2 Theater tiles and 2 flats; the others are all listed previously as well. If you filter my posts in this thread you'll likely find it.

**nkelsch**

Yeah, kinda annoyed as that is not what was expected in the concept art and it seems like individual tiles are not an option. Which basically means if I don't like the tiles they choose, then I have to either buy a full 16 set or re-buy the individual tiles I want (if that is allowed)

Double amphitheater seems like a waste and overwhelms the board and doesn't match the concept or description. If I would have known it was double amphitheater or there was no choice in tiles, I probably wouldn't have backed it as a display board, or at all.

So we will see what they deliver and what options they give after.

**Cyporiean**

The tile breakdowns were announced before the Kickstarter ended, and were brought up several times.

**nkelsch**

Cyporiean wrote:
The tile breakdowns were announced before the Kickstarter ended, and were brought up several times.

Not at all true. Update 55 was the end of funding and they had no hard information about the ruined temple board before that into what in included. The updates in the 40s were not explicit on which 4tiles backers were guaranteed to get, just multiple concept arts. None of which were double amphitheater.

They actually explicitly say they were only including one 1/4th amphitheater in update 44 and even say they were thinking of removing it.

So it wasn't announced in stone pre kick starter end.