Secret Weapon Tablescapes - Kickstarter ended @ $311k

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**RiTides**

August would be great, hope it's accurate!

**-Loki-**

While tempting, I'd honestly like to give some money to a local as well. I'll wait and see what Combat Company ask.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Folk will be delighted to see this one

Update #124 ℹ

Jun 6 2014

We have boxes!

https://d2pq0u4uni88oo.cloudfront.net/assets/002/111/129/40342866f5e857f16e375b92244b9a9c_h264_high.jpg?2014

We are good to go! The box files are uploading now, and there's nothing standing between us and world domination. Okay, that might be a stretch, and there's always SOMETHING that could delay us again, but let's not borrow trouble. We are good to go! GO! GO!

EDIT: I can't get the video embedded, you'll need to visit the KS for that bit, but Mr Justin is very excited

**misterjustin**

Very excited is an understatement

**Enigma Crisis**

I can't wait!!! I've put off getting more 40k terrain until I have my Urban Tiles in hand and can build around the Tiles themselves.

**Lockark**

can't wait for these. Time to start putting some money aside for this release.

**Snrub**

Update #124

Jun 7 2014
We have boxes!
21 comments
38 likes

https://d2pq0u4uni88oo.cloudfront.net/assets/002/111/129/40342866f5e857f16e375b92244b9a9c_h264_high.mp4

We are good to go! The box files are uploading now, and there's nothing standing between us and world domination. Okay, that might be a stretch, and there's always SOMETHING that could delay us again, but let's not borrow trouble. We are good to go! GO! GO!

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay boxes!

Can't get the video to embed properly but if you open the link in a new tab it should run.

Edit- [MOD EDIT - Language. Alpharius]. ninja'd by like 12 hours.

**Azazelx**

Not getting excited until we hear they're on the water. I can get a bit ...passionate about these boards, so better I remain numb.

**Cyporiean**

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084069684/tablescapes-by-secret-weapon-miniatures/posts/888416

Hurry up and wait.... wrote:First, the good news: production is finished.

In fact the tiles are taking up so much room in the WGF warehouse that they're desperate for me to get them out of there. This means that everyone is really, really motivated to get past what has become the one nightmare hurdle... the boxes.

What you see here are individual tiles packed for safe keeping -- each tile grouped in a box. So where TS01 is Scrap Yard, TS01-01 would be the first tile, then 02-16 for the rest. Each box contains a single tile, so TS01-01 in a bunch of boxes, etc. Enough, I'm told, to fill at least one 40' and one 20' container.
THE BOXES OF DOOM!

After the last round of back-and-forth everyone thought that the boxes were finished. I paid a pretty penny for those designs, and that was supposed to be it.

*BUT NO!*

There are only two printers in the region that can handle boxes of the size we need -- printed or not -- and they won't run our low quantities. This means going back to find a solution that works. Again.

WGF is helping with this, and the designers I'm working with have already started sketching out ideas so we can jump as soon as we know what's going to work.

Right now there's still no word on when we'll have this fixed, but I'm not shipping everything in plastic sacks. We've been working on the packaging options for nine months, but the size is really a killer, and there's no easy way around that.

There has been yelling. Teeth have been gnashed. Clothes have been rend. But we're all on the same page, and we're pushing to get this done. Nobody wants more delays, and it's hurting both companies.

And so I'll have another update as soon as we know what the solution is going to be.

**whalemusic360**

I would love a plastic sack of game boards. I get that it is needed for retail, but I'm going to say nearly all the backers don't give a hot s$#% about what they show up in. And again, why is this being found out now, and not weeks or months ago?

**misterjustin**

Damn, you're fast! I was just coming over to copy the latest update.

So, yeah, we're waiting for boxes. Pretty or not, the product needs to be in a box in order to ship -- and that's where we're stuck. It might wind up a plain white box with a 2" sticker that reads "Scrap Yard 24" but it needs a box.

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whalemusic360 wrote:
And again, why is this being found out now, and not weeks or months ago?

That was one of my questions, too. We've been talking about the packaging for nine months, and I was floored to run into a problem now. But we did. The company making the boxes is not part of WGF, and they have no control over them. Neither do I.

As I said though, for shipping purposes we have to have a box. Even a plain box. And right now we have nothing. Again.

**Portugal Jones**

whalemusic360 wrote:
but I'm going to say nearly all the backers don't give a hot s$#% about what they show up in

Exactly what shape do you think they'd be, shipping globally loose bagged?

And again, why is this being found out now, and not weeks or months ago?

Given my experience with US-China production, someone in the box-maker's sales team was more than happy to say, "You need what size? What design? No problem, we can do it for $Z. Give us 2 weeks advance notice and we can put it into our schedule," with no mention of volume being brought up until the order was attempted to be placed and the bad news was dropped that that size was way too low for them to consider.

**misterjustin**

Portugal Jones wrote:
Given my experience with US-China production, someone in the box-maker's sales team was more than happy to say, "You need what size? What design? No problem, we can do it for $Z. Give us 2 weeks advance notice and we can put it into our schedule," with no mention of volume being brought up until the order was attempted to be placed and the bad news was dropped that that size was way too low for them to consider.

Pretty much that, yes.

But we're working with WGF to find a quick solution. Everyone wants it done this week. We're even talking about VERY plain solutions like this one:

http://www.on-the-lamb.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Dragonbox.jpg

**whalemusic360**

misterjustin wrote:

So, yeah, we're waiting for boxes. Pretty or not, the product needs to be in a box in order to ship -- and that's where we're stuck. It might wind up a plain white box with a 2" sticker that reads "Scrap Yard 24" but it needs a box.

I am fully ok with this. Obviously not ideal for retail, but I suspect you don't want to loose additional sales longer, and we don't want to wait longer. The loose sack was hyperbole, by myself and Mr. Justin. It clearly wouldn't work.

Can't the generic cardboard boxes in the pic also be used for shipping? Or are there way more then 8 tiles in each box?

Edit: Woah, is that a Dragonball game? From OTL? Did I miss a memo?

**misterjustin**

There are way more than 8 tiles in those boxes. I've sent three new options to WGF for review, and they're working on their own proposals as well. It will be solved this week. It has to be.

**Cyporiean**

No, just a photo of the Japanese Dragonball DVD set. It came with a tenkaiichi stadium for figures.

**Siygess**

Is this having an adverse effect on the production and shipping of other Secret Weapon products? My last order with a large UK retailer included a whole bunch of SW bases and they have held up the order for almost two months now.

Still, it must be nice to have so many products in high demand

**RiTides**

Cross posting my comment from the update:

I don't understand how it could suddenly turn out that the only companies capable of running the boxes won't do them at this quantity. Did they commit and then back out? Or did they not commit and the last update was premature? Excuses, no matter how good, are obviously pretty unacceptable at this point... I pledged for a display board thinking it would easily get to me in time to use for AdeptiCon lol. At this point, a plain, brown box with a sticker is what seemingly MUST be done. No fancy printing, no waiting in line... just get the boxes cut by whoever can do it and get this shipped......................

All that said- I'm glad you're working on this intently... and that seemingly WGF is doing the same... but at this point I almost would've preferred not to hear this update and just hear what you're doing to FIX it later this week

However, comments like this give me hope:

misterjustin wrote:
But we're working with WGF to find a quick solution. Everyone wants it done this week. We're even talking about VERY plain solutions like this one:

http://www.on-the-lamb.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Dragonbox.jpg

I would be 1000000% okay with this. It just needs to get to me safely, I'm not going to care if the box has art or not. A sticker would be sufficient... and heck, even for the first batch of retail items. GW sells stuff in plain white boxes (not necessarily intended to but stores stock the direct items that way since they have no pretty packaging). I've seen plenty of things in plain boxes sell. A sticker with a nice picture and description is all you need for now..............

Looking forward to hearing a resolution to this ASAP and never hearing a fething thing about the boxes for this again lol. It seems to trip up many companies... definitely something that bears getting locked down and produced earlier on for future campaigns.

**Siygess**

On the box front, if we went with something plain just to get the tiles shipped, I guess a sleeve could be produced later (and perhaps locally?) to slip over the white box and tart them up for retail.

**DarkTraveler777**

Siygess wrote:
On the box front, if we went with something plain just to get the tiles shipped, I guess a sleeve could be produced later (and perhaps locally?) to slip over the white box and tart them up for retail.

You guys aren't thinking outside the box (ha!). What us backers, and those initial retail customers, have are LE Pure Strain™ boxes. They aren't mucked up with fancy art, just nondescript plain packaging which will let future buyers know that you own a pure, untainted 1st print run board. In twenty years you'll be able to retire off the sale of these boxes.

So in other words, this is Great News!

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

I would suggest a printed sleeve from folding box board (about 500mic) and then plain outers from 'eb' or 'ee' flute. If your only printing the sleeve you should be able to fit it on a small enough printer from someone willing to do short runs. If you don't mind getting the boxes from the UK I can suggest a firm that would take it on (cost will most likely be higher than china though).

**Valhallan42nd**

I saw the latest update, and I was filled with despair.

I kept hoping against hope that I would get these in time to show them off at the Nova Open...

**Azazelx**

misterjustin wrote:
Portugal Jones wrote:
Given my experience with US-China production, someone in the box-maker's sales team was more than happy to say, "You need what size? What design? No problem, we can do it for $Z. Give us 2 weeks advance notice and we can put it into our schedule," with no mention of volume being brought up until the order was attempted to be placed and the bad news was dropped that that size was way too low for them to consider.

Pretty much that, yes.

But we're working with WGF to find a quick solution. Everyone wants it done this week. We're even talking about VERY plain solutions like this one:

http://www.on-the-lamb.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Dragonbox.jpg

Even with this exact scenario in mind, I can't believe it's being looked at so late. Absolute Clownshoes.

**misterjustin**

Even with this exact scenario in mind, I can't believe it's being looked at so late. Absolute Clownshoes.

As I've said, we've been working on the packaging for nine months. In the past nine months we've looked at easily a dozen packaging options. Everyone, including WGF, believed that this issue was settled months ago -- with everything submitted for printing several weeks ago.

This certainly is not something we've left until the last minute. Hell, I was so sure everything would be on boat by now that I booked a vacation!

So much for that.

**RiTides**

Just pushing back a bit, submitting for printing several weeks ago isn't that far back... honestly, it seems printing of rulebooks and boxes should be the very first thing campaigns do from now on, even if they have to briefly store them.

**misterjustin**

In our case we couldn't print boxes in advance. We had to know the total depth of every possible tile combination so that we didn't need a different box size for each theme. That would have been cripplingly expensive.

But that's why we started working on it so long ago -- we knew it was going to be an issue, and we all put in the work to make sure it didn't become a crisis.

Only to have the printer throw a wrench in the works.

It's good times.

**Sining**

To be honest, this new turn of events is pretty BS. Seriously? Boxes are holding up production again? GG WGF

**SlaveToDorkness**

This forums swear filter doesn't allow me to express my dismay at this latest "last delay".

Regardless of how long the boxes had been worked on... GAH....

never mind.

**Breotan**

At this point, I'd settle for a cardboard box with nothing more than a shipping label.

**Azazelx**

Like I posted in the Dreamforge Games Thread. (Incidently, also a WGF production...)

Spoiler:

Yeah, I'm over my anger and am now back to a kind of numb, resigned depression about this project. Faster than usual this time. Yay! Though Never Again, WGF...