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**Cyporiean**

"No L roads in the base theme" has been a thing since before funding.

The texture thing is odd though, and seems to only be an issue with the streets.

**Azazelx**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

How are people storing the tiles? I remember that there were supposed to be spacers, and something about a thin layer of foam between the layers?

Neither of those things ended up becoming things that exist at this point. Sadly, I'm not sure what to do with my tiles when I do have time to paint them, since I'm going to have no realistic way to store them all without trashing the paint. I'm also disappointed to hear about the texture discrepancies on the road tiles, since those were the main thing I picked up. (no, I haven't opened or examined them properly yet.)

**SlaveToDorkness**

There's plenty of room in the boxes to pack sheet foam between each tile. That's what I plan to do once they're painted.

**MasterSlowPoke**

I just have to find 22 pieces of 13"x13" foam, I guess.

**plastictrees**

Azazelx wrote:
MasterSlowPoke wrote:

How are people storing the tiles? I remember that there were supposed to be spacers, and something about a thin layer of foam between the layers?

Neither of those things ended up becoming things that exist at this point. Sadly, I'm not sure what to do with my tiles when I do have time to paint them, since I'm going to have no realistic way to store them all without trashing the paint. I'm also disappointed to hear about the texture discrepancies on the road tiles, since those were the main thing I picked up. (no, I haven't opened or examined them properly yet.)

As an Australian that can afford to wargame I assume that you are in the 1% and could simply store them in one of your gaming pantries, or, at the very least in one of the unoccupied rooms of your servant quarters.
I may have misunderstood the Australian pricing discrepancy conversations.

So did any of the International orders go out? I wasn't sure if that update was referring to all of the ones packed so far or just a specific batch.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

It sounds like the same problem Reaper had during Bones I

Loads of product ready and packed but no way to get it collected by USPS (although they looked for alternatives they eventually had to stick with USPS due to cost and it took months to resolve for international backers)

**DaveC**

Mantic have started shipping the EU orders today. Shipping is confirmed by email.

**Da Butcha**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I just have to find 22 pieces of 13"x13" foam, I guess.

Well, to be fair, two strips of foam between each tile should prevent them from rubbing. It's not like the tiles are going to flex that much or anything.

I will be glad to get spacers, because it would let me stack them on my storage shelves neatly, but 1" or 2" wide strips of foam at each end of the tile should be enough to keep them from damaging paint (unless you have really scratchy foam, that is!).

**Azazelx**

That's a lot of fething about if you have 1 set, let alone any med-largish number of tiles, though.

**DaveC**

Just got UPS shipping confirmation from Mantic - 30KG of tiles! (split in 2 lots of 15KG each)

**Snrub**

How many sets did you get Dave?

**DaveC**

16 Tile Clean Urban, 16 Tile Temple, 16 Tile Rolling Fields and a Deadzone display board to mix into the urban set .. too much?

- this was before I started to cut back on my KS spending still backing projects but for a lot lower amounts now.

**RiTides**

DaveC - Same here! I've realized it's possible to support a project, but not necessarily break the bank on it

Although ironically, in searching for your Kickstarter profile right now the first comment that came up for me was this

(from Kingdom Death)

Spoiler:

**Azazelx**

DaveC wrote:
Just got UPS shipping confirmation from Mantic - 30KG of tiles! (split in 2 lots of 15KG each)

What ended up happening with these? I thought they were supposed to (and then set to) ship in Feb or March or something like that? Then suddenly they shipped after everything else?

**DaveC**

RiTides I had to look for that in context I see it was from SDE:FK someone was messing with the total to unlock stretch goals then dropping it again (the comment was more tongue in cheek than serious). I haven't spent close to $700 on a project this year that's closer to this years total spend. No need to break the bank, I put €20 a week in a KS fund and I haven't even spent all of the current years fund yet.

I've spent and backed a lot less this year than last and in a lot of cases just put in for the minimum pledge. Zc3 and SDE:FK are my only "big ones" this year.

Azazelx: there's been a good few issues throughout WGF had a back log and the timetable slipped then there was issues with packaging. Mantic and SWM only got them about 3 weeks ago and all sets came at once rather than staggered as was the original plan.

**Azazelx**

Yeah, I was following the rest of them. I just recall a whole lot of "Mantic need these by Feb, so we're getting ready to ship them!" (or March, or whatever it was) then nothing on it, followed months later by "We're going to ship to Mantic now." which made me wonder WTF happened there...

**DaveC**

Ah OK got you now they needed the Deadzone tile sets that people bought as part of the Deadzone KS to ship with DZ wave 2.

I bought all mine from the SWM KS including the Deadzone set, Mantic are shipping them for SWM but are shipping them now that all the sets are finished.

**Bossk_Hogg**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I just have to find 22 pieces of 13"x13" foam, I guess.

Craft stores sell rolls of foam that you can cut to size. Should be an inexpensive project all considered.

**Azazelx**

DaveC wrote:
Ah OK got you now they needed the Deadzone tile sets that people bought as part of the Deadzone KS to ship with DZ wave 2.
I bought all mine from the SWM KS including the Deadzone set, Mantic are shipping them for SWM but are shipping them now that all the sets are finished.

Ah, so the ones that were part of the DZ KS shipped with the earlier DZ waves, and Mantic are now shipping the ones that were bought in the SWM KS (along with the other themes?)

**DaveC**

Yep exactly, you only got the Deadzone sets early if you bought them in the DZ KS. There is only 1 DZ tile so it was a quick and easy one to get made which is why they were able to send Mantic stock for their KS ahead of the other themes (which have 8 or 16 unique tiles)

The DZ tile made for the Mantic DZ KS should be a bit thinner than the later SWM KS one as they didn't take account of the road depth on the Urban tiles for matching the sets up when they did the initial run, this should be fixed on the later production run.

**Azazelx**

OK that makes sense. It was quite confusing to see them talking about "shipping the DZ tiles now" recently without that extra information/context

**MasterSlowPoke**

Looks like someone got spacers:

http://roadtonova.blogspot.com/2014/11/new-toys.html

**Azazelx**

What the feth?

hm.. that's a DeadZone board. Could that have anything to do with it?

**DaveC**

Azazelx wrote:
What the feth?

hm.. that's a DeadZone board. Could that have anything to do with it?

Exactly that the spacers got packed with the Deadzone theme before they decided to scrap the current design. It's the only theme they come with and not every set might have them.

**SlaveToDorkness**

I got spacers like that with my Deadzone display board (which I got about a month ago).

I ordered the urban and clean/damaged urban sets as well, got my DZ display early. Maybe because I'm in the US?

**DaveC**

Which KS did you buy the Deadzone display board from?

**Azazelx**

Those spacers look fine to me. Which theme(s) had the height issues that prevented Justin keeping these?

**SlaveToDorkness**

DaveC wrote:
Which KS did you buy the Deadzone display board from?

The initial offering by SW.

The damaged urban tiles probably wouldn't work with the spacers I got. At least one tile has a fairly high rubble pile.

**RiTides**

Whoa...

Update #156

Nov 18 2014

Good News, Bad News....

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Hello backers! This is going to be a long update, with good news, and bad news.
Let's get the bad news out of the way first.

Bad news for everyone:

We have identified the data issue that caused a product shortage in Australia. It was not, as originally thought, a matter of overlooking the add-on items. This problem has effected all of the inventory, and we're short 342 16 tile sets in the Urban - Mixed, Scrap Yard, Rolling Fields, and Forgotten City themes. This was confirmed at Secret Weapon HQ when we boxed the last of the Urban Mixed sets, while staring at a pile of backer orders for them.

Good news for everyone:

I waited to post this update so that I could confirm the good news: Wargames Factory has agreed to waive their minimum order quantities to get the missing product to us as quickly as possible. As of this morning the Urban - Mixed production is finished, and they estimate two weeks to finish everything else and have it loaded for transport. These orders will ship without the fancy boxes, but they should be on their way to us in December. This order will also include the border/frame sets that were missed in the initial order.

This means another short delay for effected backers, i.e. anyone waiting on Urban - Mixed, Rolling Fields, and Forgotten City tiles leaving from the USA, some few in UK/EU, and customers in AUS and NZ.

Good news for UK and EU backers:

As many of you have already noticed, Mantic Games has begun shipping your Tablescapes Tiles. As I type this, 73 of 314 orders have been shipped -- or nearly 25% of them!

UK and EU backers will be receiving an email with your tracking information, so keep an eye on your inbox.

Of course Mantic is also affected by the product shortage, and aware that it's coming, so some orders will be held until the replacement inventory arrives. They will ship everything they can until they run out of product.

Good news for AUS and NZ backers:

Your orders will be the first to ship from the new stock, and this solution is actually faster than if we had tried to get freight from California to Australia. You can expect your orders in Q1 of 2015.

Good news for US/CAN/OTHER backers:

Orders leaving from SWM HQ will continue to ship, but at a reduced rate as shipping funds will have to continue to come out of the general operations budget. The money that would have paid for 100% of shipping is... not going to be there, because the distributor inventory doesn't exist for 66% of the line.

We've shipped more than 50% of the orders, and have very few remaining:

Canada: 95 orders remaining

USA: 333 orders remaining

Other International: 30 orders remaining

If you're a backer waiting on one of the missing tile sets, obviously we won't be able to ship until the inventory arrives from China. I will post an update as soon as I have information from Wargames factory on the freight situation, but you can expect your order in Q1 of 2015.

Good news for Canadian backers:

Your orders will still ship via USPS. It's not easy, and it's not pretty, but we should have the system worked out at this point. There will probably still be days where we rage at truck drivers that don't have room for our pickup... but orders will continue to go out.

This sucks. It really, really sucks.

Obviously this issue was not created intentionally. When I say it's an expensive mistake... that's an understatement. But the solution is in place, the missing product is in production, and we will continue to ship what orders we can in the interim.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084069684/tablescapes-by-secret-weapon-miniatures/posts/1056238

The comments so far on the update are very reasonable, especially considering the news...

**Tannhauser42**

That explains why mine hasn't arrived yet. Oh well, what's another delay?