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The original script, Alien: Engineers by Jon Spaihts, is floating around the internet and it is iworth reading to see what horrors Lindelof inflicted on the film as well as how awesome it could have been. Worth a read.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
My search fu is not good Ahtman, do you have a linky?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Also, for those who've never read it, this is William Gibson's Alien3 script, again, would have been interesting. (written when it looked likely SW was leaving the franchise).
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I'm not sure if you watch the office, but he guest starred on a season as a manager. When he showed up all the ladies was super nice to him, and there was a brief shot of him in the "confessional" type camera setup, saying wrying "I'm aware of the effect I have on women".
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Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
I think the 'all the flaws in 4 minutes" video is dead on.
"And this is exactly how Scooby and Shaggy would run from the crashing ship...."
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
First the poor character continuity which led to the plot passing from one inadequately explained character to another, with is relating to the overstocked support cast.
Second the Three Stooges approach to archeological science, let alone alien first contact. While a lot of the audience will not realise just how completely unprofessional this team were, that is no excuse, especially in those SF films which appeal to a broadly higher IQ.
Now for the mitigating comments.
Overall while a bad film it is bad on aggregate and because of the two main faults listed above, however many of the other faults are defendable, or at least they would be defendable if there were not so many of them.
1. Poor scientific method.
While it doesnt cover for most of the science team David at least has an excuse for ignoring all protocols and just pressing buttons. He has a pre-programmed agenda that consdiered ther archeolgoical and cultural significance of the site irrelevant.
2. Richard Weyland.
This character is unfairly criticised, frankly I find his attitude plausible, even historical. Many reclusive aged billionaires could well authorise an expedition to search for a means of life extension for themselves if there was any possibility of achieving this goal, and possibly even if not. I think Richard Weyland's motives are based on the later life of Howard Hughes.
3. Davids ability to read the site rapidly.
David is an AI with both human intelligence and advanced computing power. Consequently while he appears rash he simply might not need much time at all to think through a problem, he may in fact be doing as much careful cognitive work as a scientist sitting and studying at the door/fresco/glyphs for several hours, or longer..
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Orlanth wrote: 3. Davids ability to read the site rapidly.
David is an AI with both human intelligence and advanced computing power. Consequently while he appears rash he simply might not need much time at all to think through a problem, he may in fact be doing as much careful cognitive work as a scientist sitting and studying at the door/fresco/glyphs for several hours, or longer..
I can't remember if it is in the original screenplay, or if it was brought up in the special features of the Bluray, but it is mentioned (though not in the movie) that David sees in more than just our limited color spectrum, and is part of the reason he is able to discern things that seem invisible or non-existent to other characters.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Frazzled hit the nail right dead on in his points, but along with that-
The engineers/alien spawn pod angle was ridiculous.
Would like to see some more Colonial Marines, or Predators movies, as well as some more Alien stuff without trying to rewrite the franchise into more left wing propaganda.
And if that dinosaur man is supposed to fit into the Aliens universe, they might have put it out there somewhere in all of the countless OTHER books, movies, vidieo games, reference stuff that has been around for over 30 years.
At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money.
I enjoyed the movie overall, but the attitude of the crew was rather annoying. Sort of felt like college kids from a Frat on a multi-billion dollar mission.
OK, maybe not that bad, but still, for the work they were conducting they seemed to lack some professionalism.
There were a few other minor issues people were complaining about that didn't bother me to much since I pretty much go with low expectations for every movie I see now.
This should have been handed to everyone on their way out of the cinema, I'm about half way through and it is much better than Prometheus, and I quite liked it
Currently debating whether to study for my exams or paint some Deathwing
Thank you for all your reply guys, I expected as much.
Even with all those flaws the film was not that much ruined for me, and I expect that they fill in the remaining plot holes in the sequel as well as getting us closer to connection with original Alien.
But I pretty much agree on the posts here, believe it or not I watched this film in cinema alone ( there were guy and a girl like 4 lines above me but they were probably doing multiplying so they don't count ) and I facepalmed several times during the movie itself. I liked it but level of idiocy in it is epic...
-Two scientist just found out something remarkable and they go to private company to form a space mission. I am sorry but isn't that the task of country or space agencies like NASA or ESA?
-They go to alien world and the only weapons they took was flamethrower and few security guys? In my opinion for every space scientific expedition should be at least or even a few squads of regular army soldiers.
-Just because it is oxygen it is perfectly safe to remove your helmet.
-How the hell do you get lost with all that advanced technology...?
-Why you run electricity through 2000 years old alien head?
-It is always a good idea to poke alien organism that is obviously telling you to not touch it...
-You can walk, no... RUN after having an abortion...
-Meeting an alien without armed escort, smart as always.
-Ship is falling down at you in line and you don't run at side but in line....
These are the things that really bothered me, but overall it was a good movie and I expect better sequel.
The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!
-Two scientist just found out something remarkable and they go to private company to form a space mission. I am sorry but isn't that the task of country or space agencies like NASA or ESA?
Money is at stake, and Peter Weyland (terrible makeup by the way) Seemed to be in a hurry to come in contact with the engineers (or whatever he thought was there) to avoid death.
-They go to alien world and the only weapons they took was flamethrower and few security guys? In my opinion for every space scientific expedition should be at least or even a few squads of regular army soldiers.
Seems to be the law of movies to be ill equipped. So many people in horror movies would be alive if someone just brought a gun.
-Just because it is oxygen it is perfectly safe to remove your helmet.
Yup, stupid, but think it went with the whole faith in science vs faith in god underlining theme in the movie. Movie theme seemed to have trumped common sense. Then again, better technology may allow them to do that? I don't know.
-How the hell do you get lost with all that advanced technology...?
They forgot to charge their new iphones.
-Why you run electricity through 2000 years old alien head?
Weren't they trying to see if they could reanimate? IIRC, they wanted to see if it could talk. I could be wrong about that, if it was the reason, don't you need oxygen in order to make sounds? Not having a set of lungs would make that an issue, no?
-It is always a good idea to poke alien organism that is obviously telling you to not touch it...
you mean the penis cobra? Yeah, that was stupid.
-You can walk, no... RUN after having an abortion...
in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!
-Meeting an alien without armed escort, smart as always.
As the natural laws of movies would have it.
-Ship is falling down at you in line and you don't run at side but in line....
Should have ran in a zig zag. At least it would have been funny.
Did not know this, but Weyland cures cancer in 2023?
Grot 6 wrote: Would like to see some more Colonial Marines, or Predators movies, as well as some more Alien stuff without trying to rewrite the franchise into more left wing propaganda.
........... lolwut
Grot 6 wrote: And if that dinosaur man is supposed to fit into the Aliens universe, they might have put it out there somewhere in all of the countless OTHER books, movies, vidieo games, reference stuff that has been around for over 30 years.
What is "that dinosaur man"?
So far as the oft-repeated criticism about Charlize running in a straight line and getting squished, frankly, I'd give her a pass on that. I could see how one may not be thinking clearly in such a situation.
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Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Pretty much everything that has been mentioned. Its a pretty movie, and its OK as long as you just watch it. Nothing else. Because once you start with the "Why are they doing that?" you cant stop
Grot 6 wrote: Would like to see some more Colonial Marines, or Predators movies, as well as some more Alien stuff without trying to rewrite the franchise into more left wing propaganda.
........... lolwut
Grot 6 wrote: And if that dinosaur man is supposed to fit into the Aliens universe, they might have put it out there somewhere in all of the countless OTHER books, movies, vidieo games, reference stuff that has been around for over 30 years.
What is "that dinosaur man"?
So far as the oft-repeated criticism about Charlize running in a straight line and getting squished, frankly, I'd give her a pass on that. I could see how one may not be thinking clearly in such a situation.
I assume Dinosaur Man is one of the Engineers
And I also don't complain about them running straight away from the falling ship as that is the completely natural thing to do (Fight or Flee reaction)
Currently debating whether to study for my exams or paint some Deathwing
Prometheus wasn't all THAT bad. The problem I think is that it didn't answer the questions that we wanted, and had normal plot issues. I think another problem with Prometheus was that because it is a sacred topic(from a SciFi fans perspective) There really is less room for forgiveness for problems, when newer movies without the historical baggage are easier to forgive plot holes.
I was entertained, I think because I accept movies for what they are supposed to be about, a few hours entertainment. If I get more than that from a movie, than I am very pleased.
I think people were expecting the "Magna Carta" for the Alien Franchise. And when it turned out to be a popcorn flick, they were upset.
I liked it, but there were plot holes. Why did the crash landed engineer ship look exactly like the one in alien and aliens? It had a wing broken off at the same place and it was landed at the exact same angle. however, inside, on the gun/control thingy, there was a dead engineer in the original alien. In prometheus, he only sits at it for a few minutes, and dies outside of that ship, even though the crashes look the same. And some people say they are different planets but i thought they were all on lv-228 or whatever its called. Also the facehuggers look different (maybe they evolved or something). Also, i know the alien would look different though because it assimilates the hosts physical charicteristics, but why the original facehugger and egg? Anyways thats just my problem with it. Still a good movie though.
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Color Sgt. Kell wrote: I liked it, but there were plot holes. Why did the crash landed engineer ship look exactly like the one in alien and aliens? It had a wing broken off at the same place and it was landed at the exact same angle. however, inside, on the gun/control thingy, there was a dead engineer in the original alien. In prometheus, he only sits at it for a few minutes, and dies outside of that ship, even though the crashes look the same. And some people say they are different planets but i thought they were all on lv-228 or whatever its called. .
One can assume that the "engineers" built a fleet of ships using the same designs, stashed them around the galaxy as staging points for spreading/destroying life as needed. The gun looking control center is only in the position that we see in Alien/Aliens, and briefly in Prometheus for flights, during the calculations needed for the flight, it must be stowed, so that the holographic map will be uninhibited
Brother Captain Alexander wrote: Thank you for all your reply guys, I expected as much.
Even with all those flaws the film was not that much ruined for me, and I expect that they fill in the remaining plot holes in the sequel as well as getting us closer to connection with original Alien.
But I pretty much agree on the posts here, believe it or not I watched this film in cinema alone ( there were guy and a girl like 4 lines above me but they were probably doing multiplying so they don't count ) and I facepalmed several times during the movie itself. I liked it but level of idiocy in it is epic...
-Two scientist just found out something remarkable and they go to private company to form a space mission. I am sorry but isn't that the task of country or space agencies like NASA or ESA?
-They go to alien world and the only weapons they took was flamethrower and few security guys? In my opinion for every space scientific expedition should be at least or even a few squads of regular army soldiers.
-Just because it is oxygen it is perfectly safe to remove your helmet.
-How the hell do you get lost with all that advanced technology...?
-Why you run electricity through 2000 years old alien head?
-It is always a good idea to poke alien organism that is obviously telling you to not touch it...
-You can walk, no... RUN after having an abortion...
-Meeting an alien without armed escort, smart as always.
-Ship is falling down at you in line and you don't run at side but in line....
These are the things that really bothered me, but overall it was a good movie and I expect better sequel.
I doubt there will be a sequel. The film did not do well monetarily IIRC, and I don't think Ripley has ever done a sequal has he?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant! 
