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How about Shadowsun, Farsight, a Riptide with drones, and an allied Lysander?

Thats one squad. its at least 7-800 points but it could be fun hehe.

valace2 wrote:
How about Shadowsun, Farsight, a Riptide with drones, and an allied Lysander?

Thats one squad. its at least 7-800 points but it could be fun hehe.

That would be a massive waste, that unit has no idea what it wants to be. You've got things that want to stay far away from assault and shoot with one of the best assault characters in the game (and Farsight, who I assume is ok in assault). So either way, half the squad's potential is being utterly wasted.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:

valace2 wrote:
How about Shadowsun, Farsight, a Riptide with drones, and an allied Lysander?

Thats one squad. its at least 7-800 points but it could be fun hehe.

That would be a massive waste, that unit has no idea what it wants to be. You've got things that want to stay far away from assault and shoot with one of the best assault characters in the game (and Farsight, who I assume is ok in assault). So either way, half the squad's potential is being utterly wasted.

It would be a battering ram. Shadowsun and the riptide pitching out massive amounts of firepower and Lysander and Farsight killing lots of stuff in close combat. Farsight's CCW is AP2 Str5 and strikes at i5. If a challenge is called for Lysander can handle it and there are very few ICs that can beat Lysander in a challenge.

Imagine this the squad infiltrates 18" moves 6" on the first turn and fires off...

2 fusion shots, 2 plasma gun shots, 4 Smart missiles, Str 7 missiles from the drones and that big str9 Ap2 template.

Then the enemy can rattle off every shot it has to take out 18 wounds all at T6 with Lysander facing front with his 2+ 3+ and using LOS to shunt off any non AP2 wounds onto the Riptide. Heck any shots coming in from any direction can be LOS all around the group.

valace2 wrote:

 MandalorynOranj wrote:

valace2 wrote:
How about Shadowsun, Farsight, a Riptide with drones, and an allied Lysander?

Thats one squad. its at least 7-800 points but it could be fun hehe.

That would be a massive waste, that unit has no idea what it wants to be. You've got things that want to stay far away from assault and shoot with one of the best assault characters in the game (and Farsight, who I assume is ok in assault). So either way, half the squad's potential is being utterly wasted.

It would be a battering ram. Shadowsun and the riptide pitching out massive amounts of firepower and Lysander and Farsight killing lots of stuff in close combat. Farsight's CCW is AP2 Str5 and strikes at i5. If a challenge is called for Lysander can handle it and there are very few ICs that can beat Lysander in a challenge.

Imagine this the squad infiltrates 18" moves 6" on the first turn and fires off...

2 fusion shots, 2 plasma gun shots, 4 Smart missiles, Str 7 missiles from the drones and that big str9 Ap2 template.

Then the enemy can rattle off every shot it has to take out 18 wounds all at T6 with Lysander facing front with his 2+ 3+ and using LOS to shunt off any non AP2 wounds onto the Riptide. Heck any shots coming in from any direction can be LOS all around the group.

Shadowsun does not allow this unit to infilirate. They could outflank. Or better yet deepstrike. With no scatter due to Farsight.(if hes' your warlord)

My plan is for...(not sure if it's been mentioned yet)

Squad of 10 Wriathguard, with attached Spiritseer w/ Conceal.
Eldrad
Shadowsun

13 T6 Models, with rerollable 2+ cover save. Rerollable 3+ cover save in combat. 3 Characters to play around with in challenges.
Guided wraithcannons, and guided BS5 Meltas. Doom and Fortune for combat. Guide on overwatch.

Viable? EXPENSIVE

Ethernal Fire + Cadre Fireblade
When standing still, doesnt that mean they will get 4 shots that turn?

One squad does. Not really worth a 110 extra points. Especially when that's both your HQ options.

Riptide + Drones + Shadowsun + Allied FortuneSeer on Jetbike.

This unit keep JSJ, and if you can get in cover (not that hard with the 25% rule...), enjoy a 2+ save, 2++ cover save with reroll.

Or Shadowsun in a Jetbike concil... limit a bit the mobility, but get 2++ cover save just by moving around!

No other idea at the moment...

 Celtic Strike wrote:
One squad does. Not really worth a 110 extra points. Especially when that's both your HQ options.

Just noting that the Etherial dont need to be IN the unit, he can give the element to units 12" away from him.
Also darkstalker gives stealth and etherial gives 10ld and all that, but i regress its still a fun mechanic to suddenly spew out double as many shots than expected.

You could make a pretty nice support Commander with both the C&C node and the multi spectral thingy. Add 2 individual flamers to fill up the other slots and you can just not fire the thing on any turn, but get rather nice counter charge assistance on all nearby units. Stick him in a devastator squad with 4x plasma cannons and burn away

 Flinty wrote:
You could make a pretty nice support Commander with both the C&C node and the multi spectral thingy. Add 2 individual flamers to fill up the other slots and you can just not fire the thing on any turn, but get rather nice counter charge assistance on all nearby units. Stick him in a devastator squad with 4x plasma cannons and burn away

This... ignores cover, night fight, gets hot (35/36 times anyway), and has rerolls. GG anything not sporting a SS.

 Gornall wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
You could make a pretty nice support Commander with both the C&C node and the multi spectral thingy. Add 2 individual flamers to fill up the other slots and you can just not fire the thing on any turn, but get rather nice counter charge assistance on all nearby units. Stick him in a devastator squad with 4x plasma cannons and burn away

This... ignores cover, night fight, gets hot (35/36 times anyway), and has rerolls. GG anything not sporting a SS.

Indeed

Oh, and I may have mis-interpreted the signature systems... I thought they took up support system slots, but it doesn't look like that is the case, so why not add the puretide engram for tank or monster hunters as well, and therefore you can also twin link the flamers using all 4 slots for weapons. You could also add a couple of shield drones to soak up some enemy fire but its getting pretty pricey at this point

Dracoknight wrote:

 Celtic Strike wrote:
One squad does. Not really worth a 110 extra points. Especially when that's both your HQ options.

Just noting that the Etherial dont need to be IN the unit, he can give the element to units 12" away from him.
Also darkstalker gives stealth and etherial gives 10ld and all that, but i regress its still a fun mechanic to suddenly spew out double as many shots than expected.

Darkstalker does NOT give stealth.

Darkstrider in a Carbine FW squad equipped with EMP grenades, loaded in a DFish, outflanking and bringing in a load of other outflanking units like Fusion Stealthsuits with homing beacon and bringing in deep striking Crisis Teams and such? I imagine all the anti-tank units arriving near an enemy parking lot would cause some consternation for your opponent?

Just stay out of LOS from any enemy units with interceptor...

Xyrael wrote:
Darkstrider in a Carbine FW squad equipped with EMP grenades, loaded in a DFish, outflanking and bringing in a load of other outflanking units like Fusion Stealthsuits with homing beacon and bringing in deep striking Crisis Teams and such? I imagine all the anti-tank units arriving near an enemy parking lot would cause some consternation for your opponent?

Just stay out of LOS from any enemy units with interceptor...

Why would you even bother doing this when you have BS5 Longtstrike from across the board.

 Celtic Strike wrote:

Dracoknight wrote:

 Celtic Strike wrote:
One squad does. Not really worth a 110 extra points. Especially when that's both your HQ options.

Just noting that the Etherial dont need to be IN the unit, he can give the element to units 12" away from him.
Also darkstalker gives stealth and etherial gives 10ld and all that, but i regress its still a fun mechanic to suddenly spew out double as many shots than expected.

Darkstalker does NOT give stealth.

yep correct, sorry, he have outflank, scout and Fighting retreat.
i have no idea where the stealth came from.

Dracoknight wrote:

 Celtic Strike wrote:

Dracoknight wrote:

 Celtic Strike wrote:
One squad does. Not really worth a 110 extra points. Especially when that's both your HQ options.

Just noting that the Etherial dont need to be IN the unit, he can give the element to units 12" away from him.
Also darkstalker gives stealth and etherial gives 10ld and all that, but i regress its still a fun mechanic to suddenly spew out double as many shots than expected.

Darkstalker does NOT give stealth.

yep correct, sorry, he have outflank, scout and Fighting retreat.
i have no idea where the stealth came from.

We were all hoping he would have it...

Some of the ideas in this thread are ludicrous good.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

Xyrael wrote:
Darkstrider in a Carbine FW squad equipped with EMP grenades, loaded in a DFish, outflanking and bringing in a load of other outflanking units like Fusion Stealthsuits with homing beacon and bringing in deep striking Crisis Teams and such? I imagine all the anti-tank units arriving near an enemy parking lot would cause some consternation for your opponent?

Just stay out of LOS from any enemy units with interceptor...

Why would you even bother doing this when you have BS5 Longtstrike from across the board.

Because I don't want to play Gunline Tau? He's also not going to be able to handle a whole parking lot by himself.

Tau commander giving monster hunter tank hunter to the riptide. Set them up as an allied detachment and you've got some serious anti-air/mc

The tau commander can give him:

re-roll hits
Ignore cover
Monster Hunter/Tank Hunter
His Missile Drones are twin-linked on BS5 with monster hunter/tank hunter
and the unit has hit and run.

Ballsy is what i would call it

I thought only broadsides could take missile drones.

I love this thread, it is giving me so many good ideas.

This may have already been mentioned, but...

Commander
-Puretide Chip
-TL Missile Pod
-Multispectrum Sensors
-Velocity Tracker
-Shield Drone

Attached to:
3x Broadsides
-High Yield Missile Pods
-TL SMS
-3x Velocity Trackers
-6x Missile Drones

It's an expensive unit, I will grant you that. But it has 7 ablative wounds, a range of 36", Shoots down basically any flier it can reach, and will still decimate any kind of troop.

Heck, you don't even need side shots. It will even decimate a Predator's Front AV13 armor behind cover, no problem.

Where in the codex does it say shadowsun grants stealth/shrouded to the unit she's in?

Stealth and Shrouded USR.

Stealth: "A unit that contains at least one model with this special rule..." page 42 BRB
Shrouded: "A unit that contains at least one model with this special rule..." page 41 BRB

thisisnotpancho wrote:
Tau commander giving monster hunter tank hunter to the riptide. Set them up as an allied detachment and you've got some serious anti-air/mc

The tau commander can give him:

re-roll hits
Ignore cover
Monster Hunter/Tank Hunter
His Missile Drones are twin-linked on BS5 with monster hunter/tank hunter
and the unit has hit and run.

Ballsy is what i would call it

Drone controller doesn't apply to missile drones per rules. But otherwise Nice setup, if a bit expensive.

Super Newb wrote:
I thought only broadsides could take missile drones.

Riptide can take shielded missile drones.

Dark Phoenix wrote:
Riptide + Drones + Shadowsun + Allied FortuneSeer on Jetbike.

This unit keep JSJ, and if you can get in cover (not that hard with the 25% rule...), enjoy a 2+ save, 2++ cover save with reroll.

Or Shadowsun in a Jetbike concil... limit a bit the mobility, but get 2++ cover save just by moving around!

No other idea at the moment...

Eldar codex says that codex specific powers (Fortune, Guide) can only benefit Eldar characters. Attached characters don't benefit. Example; Eldar unit with allied Dark Eldar Archon with 2++ Shadowfield in front of unit. Archon does not get to re-roll his saves, rest of unit (if CWE) gets the re-rolls. My workaround for this, rarely since I almost never use Wraithguard was: Baron in back to give Stealth, Warlock with Conceal, 10 WraithGuard up front. That makes a T6 wall of re-rollable 3+armor, 4+cover but Baron still doesn't get the re-roll as he's not CWE.

It doesn't work, but for a different reason. Fortune/Guide only benefits Eldar units. Battle Brother ICs are treated as part of the unit.

Thus, you can Fortune Wraithguard that have an Archon, and all get the reroll.

You cannot Fortune a Riptide, even if the Farseer is joined to that unit.

How about darkstrider in a unit that contains a MOTF with conversion beamer? Instagibs on T6 anyone?

This is probably why we can't have S10 railguns on broadsides anymore.

Shadowsun in Wraithguard + a farseer unit.


Wraithgurad with a warlock who have conceal always have 5+ cover, so shadowsun make them 2+ cover.
A farseer with fortune can make them 2+ cover to re-roll.(although Taus in the unit cannot make re-roll, but 12 eldar mans can make re-rolls)
You can give them 2 drones with extra 3++ invuln. for close combat or your opponent's Ignore cover attacks.

I know it is already allowed make this unit if you play eldar as primary, but with Shadowsun it is stable(If you plays eldar only, you need to roll in Telekinesis).


without Ignore cover or superior CC ability, It is very, very hard to kill T6, 2+ cover and 3+ armor, plus some 3+ ~ 4+ invuln. with re-roll.

point is expensive because 10 wraithguards with these characters are at least about 620(just with farseer+fortune)~790(with Ultharad and shield drones), But a massive unit of T6 2+ save with re-roll have its worth.
Also, benefits of having Eldar is immense, you are almost 60% of immune to pyschic.

Coyote81 wrote:

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Shadowsun does not allow this unit to infilirate. They could outflank. Or better yet deepstrike. With no scatter due to Farsight.(if hes' your warlord)

+1

I frequently seen combos of the like on the thread (and elsewhere). Sure, Shadowsun grants her abilities like shrouded, stealth... and infiltrate to the squad she joins, which is powerful. But these combos forget the fact that, by pretending to infiltrate the squad, one violates the deployment sequence. How things should be done :
show your army roster, you don't have actual units at this moment,
deploy units without infiltrate in your zone, associated with an IC if you want,
declare some units are in reserve, associated with an IC if you want,
deploy units with infiltrate ability.

So units without infiltrate cannot be be granted this special ability by the IC, because you can't have them waiting for the IC to give them infiltrate. They must be deployed normally or put in reserve.
When in reserve, the unit can be joined by the IC, so benefits from outflanking, but no more.


Counter-example : sergeant Harker has infiltrate, this ability can be used by his veteran IG squad. However, he is part of his squad, not an independent character, so it works.