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 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given that this guy managed to get 14 people with just a knife and thats pretty high compared to most shootings its hard to tell. About the same probably.

A gun going off also does give away whats happening, its hard to tell just by sound if someone got stabbed. But everyone within earshot will hear the gun go off.

Is anyone dead?

News says said four were lifeflighted so that should be four.
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 Frazzled wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given that this guy managed to get 14 people with just a knife and thats pretty high compared to most shootings its hard to tell. About the same probably.

A gun going off also does give away whats happening, its hard to tell just by sound if someone got stabbed. But everyone within earshot will hear the gun go off.

Is anyone dead?

News says said four were lifeflighted so that should be four.
.

Hopefully not, but there is a very high probability that they may not make it.

 Squigsquasher wrote:
Peh, who cares about knives? I worry about the presence of lethal assault screwdrivers on our streets!

In all seriousness...Oh no, not AGAIN. There seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging here.

Not really, the previous shooting was machismo gang wannabees. Don't know with this one.
However we should immediately pass a law limited house hold kitchen knives to ten or less.


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 Grey Templar wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given that this guy managed to get 14 people with just a knife and thats pretty high compared to most shootings its hard to tell. About the same probably.

A gun going off also does give away whats happening, its hard to tell just by sound if someone got stabbed. But everyone within earshot will hear the gun go off.

Is anyone dead?

News says said four were lifeflighted so that should be four.
.

Hopefully not, but there is a very high probability that they may not make it.

Sorry I meant four critically injured.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given that this guy managed to get 14 people with just a knife and thats pretty high compared to most shootings its hard to tell. About the same probably.

A gun going off also does give away whats happening, its hard to tell just by sound if someone got stabbed. But everyone within earshot will hear the gun go off.

Is anyone dead?

Not yet anyway. We don't know the status of the 4 people that got airlifted in critical condition. Airlifting people out is never a good sign.

A knife can be more dangerous than a gun for any number of reasons. especially with injury. More potential bleeding for one, depending on the exact circumstances.

Yes, I remember a long argument with someone who said that knives were more dangerous than guns.

It's complete rubbish, of course, when you look at the epidemiological studies.

What do religious studies have to do with health risks of being shot vs stabbed?

 Grey Templar wrote:
A gun going off also does give away whats happening, its hard to tell just by sound if someone got stabbed. But everyone within earshot will hear the gun go off.

Wait... the knife had a silencer? Is that even legal?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
How do you stab someone with a gun?

Every American has one of these:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given that this guy managed to get 14 people with just a knife and thats pretty high compared to most shootings its hard to tell. About the same probably.

A gun going off also does give away whats happening, its hard to tell just by sound if someone got stabbed. But everyone within earshot will hear the gun go off.

Is anyone dead?

Not yet anyway. We don't know the status of the 4 people that got airlifted in critical condition. Airlifting people out is never a good sign.

A knife can be more dangerous than a gun for any number of reasons. especially with injury. More potential bleeding for one, depending on the exact circumstances.

Yes, I remember a long argument with someone who said that knives were more dangerous than guns.

It's complete rubbish, of course, when you look at the epidemiological studies.

I said can be more dangerous. Depends on all the variables.

Clearly this is a conspiracy by the Obama administration to enact boxcutter control and limit the length of blades. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE.

 RatBot wrote:
Clearly this is a conspiracy by the Obama administration to enact boxcutter control and limit the length of blades. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE.

No, clearely its a conspiracy by opponents of gun control to show that whackos will still commit mass attacks on schools. Just with different weapons. But that's clearly not true at all!

 Grey Templar wrote:

 RatBot wrote:
Clearly this is a conspiracy by the Obama administration to enact boxcutter control and limit the length of blades. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE.

No, clearely its a conspiracy by opponents of gun control to show that whackos will still commit mass attacks on schools. Just with different weapons. But that's clearly not true at all!

Maybe. Either way, it's obvious that relatively simple situations must inherently be Machiavellian conspiracies to push a sinister agenda, all in the name of our secret reptilian overlords.

 Ouze wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
How do you stab someone with a gun?

Every American has one of these:

Does it come in blued and in .357?

 Grey Templar wrote:

 RatBot wrote:
Clearly this is a conspiracy by the Obama administration to enact boxcutter control and limit the length of blades. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE.

No, clearely its a conspiracy by opponents of gun control to show that whackos will still commit mass attacks on schools. Just with different weapons. But that's clearly not true at all!

Maybe it's a conspiratcy by people to show that crazy people will be crazy, but that it is harder to injure and kill people with some weapons than others?

Hurting 15 people isn't exactly proof its harder to hurt people with a knife instead of a gun.

I'd list results of crazy people attacking public with knives vs crazy people attacking public places with guns.

But we both know that you are not interested in facts and that they would never change your opinion.

That makes no sense at all and is a little insulting. What do you mean by that?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given that this guy managed to get 14 people with just a knife and thats pretty high compared to most shootings its hard to tell. About the same probably.

A gun going off also does give away whats happening, its hard to tell just by sound if someone got stabbed. But everyone within earshot will hear the gun go off.

Is anyone dead?

News says said four were lifeflighted so that should be four.
.

Hopefully not, but there is a very high probability that they may not make it.

Sorry I meant four critically injured.

Is there any update on this? Are they recovering now?

Last report showed 3 were no longer in critical condition from what I gathered, course thats just what the news headline showed. Couldn't hear anything else the cafeteria TV said.

Breotan wrote:In Colorado, Massachusetts, and New York they "baned" high-capacity magazines so that rampages like this wouldn't happen. Stupid "gun show loophole" that allows criminals to buy these deadly knives without a background check...

Is anyone dead? No? Hmmm... when was the last time there was a massive school shooting with zero fatalities?

Hordini wrote:If one of the victims had had a semi-auto pistol it probably would have been less dangerous.

This has proved to be observably false in just about ever occasion.

Grey Templar wrote:A knife can be more dangerous than a gun for any number of reasons. especially with injury. More potential bleeding for one, depending on the exact circumstances.

And a teddy bear can be more dangerous than a gun. Especially with asphyxiation. Depending on exact circumstances. And let's not forget all those puddles of water in the streets, which can be more dangerous than knives. Especially with drowning. Depending on exact circumstances.


For the second time today, I'll ask: do you ever think about the ridiculous things you say sometimes?

 azazel the cat wrote:
This has proved to be observably false in just about ever occasion.

No, it hasn't. There's a list of mass shootings stopped by someone with a gun who doesn't happen to be a cop. Oddly, they tend to get considerably less media coverage.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Is anyone dead? No? Hmmm... when was the last time there was a massive school shooting with zero fatalities?

If you're trying to say that guns are more dangerous than knives, then I agree with you. Of course guns are more dangerous than knives, that's the whole point of a gun. Hence the oft-quoted bit of folk wisdom I'm pretty sure we're all familiar with: "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight."

 azazel the cat wrote:

Hordini wrote:If one of the victims had had a semi-auto pistol it probably would have been less dangerous.

This has proved to be observably false in just about ever occasion.

Seaward already covered it, but you're mistaken. There are multiple examples of civilians using firearms to defend themselves in a variety of situations, including active shooter scenarios. If you have evidence to the contrary I'd be interested in checking it out.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given that this guy managed to get 14 people with just a knife and thats pretty high compared to most shootings its hard to tell. About the same probably.

A gun going off also does give away whats happening, its hard to tell just by sound if someone got stabbed. But everyone within earshot will hear the gun go off.

Is anyone dead?

Not yet anyway. We don't know the status of the 4 people that got airlifted in critical condition. Airlifting people out is never a good sign.

A knife can be more dangerous than a gun for any number of reasons. especially with injury. More potential bleeding for one, depending on the exact circumstances.

Yes, I remember a long argument with someone who said that knives were more dangerous than guns.

It's complete rubbish, of course, when you look at the epidemiological studies.

I said can be more dangerous. Depends on all the variables.

I think you would not deny, though that in general guns are more deadly than knives.

Seaward wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
This has proved to be observably false in just about ever occasion.

No, it hasn't. There's a list of mass shootings stopped by someone with a gun who doesn't happen to be a cop. Oddly, they tend to get considerably less media coverage.

Cite something.

Also, don't cite the 5 most likely ones, because they're all demonstrably false. I'm not even going to go into details why, because this article does the job for me. I was also going to cite that courthouse shootut in Texas an a better example of what happens when someone's John McLane fantasy kicks in, but I think the same article also includes that, as well.

I'm sure it's nice to think that in a situation like that you'd go all Die Hard on a shooter, but that's really just a power fantasy that's been marketed to you by Bushmaster et al.

I don't see how the fact that many of the CCW holders were Marines or former police officers or Army reserve members invalidates the point. Those are some of the most likely people to have CCWs in the first place which I don't think is a bad thing at all. If you're going to make the argument that they're not "regular citizens" because there is something that sets them apart from the general population, then you might as well say that CCW holders aren't "regular citizens" because they have CCWs.

I realize that people have also been injured while attempting to stop a bad situation with their weapon. That is a risk that every CCW holder has and it is a personal decision as to whether or not they draw, and the individual has to accept that that could cause the shooter to target them specifically.


As for an example, there were multiple civilian shooters who assisted law enforcement in stopping Charles Whitman during the bell tower shootings at University of Texas at Austin.

Outside of mass shootings, there are also instances of civilian CCW holders saving police officers.

How about the Clackamas Mall Shooting just last December? Shooter kills two, is confronted by an armed citizen, retreats and suicides. Or another attempted theater shooting in San Antonio around that same time, defender was an off duty Cop sure, but when the badge comes off, sorry you're just another schmuck.

As to that Mother Jones article, 1. Really? Mother JONES? Come on Az.
2. They even contradict themselves multiple times. The Winnemucca shooting was stopped by a Marine in his late 40s, a retiree, so a veteran yes, but still a civilian.
Jeanne Assam was not a licensed Colorado security officer. She was a volunteer, same as people volunteer to be ushers and the like at your local church. New Life Church is right up the road from me, she engaged the shooter with her private carry weapon. It was quite the stir when it happened, New Life is about 10 minutes drive from me

Then the article your MJ article cites about police officers disliking armed civilians? Minimal citation, and it's another MJ article. Compared to professionals like Larry Correia http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/ or my own County Sheriff, or my Campus Police department, who wholeheartedly endorse armed citizens being able to defend themselves and others.

Good guys with guns in the right place and right time can absolutely stop bad guys with guns.

I'm not sure why you're so desperate to be powerless before these pscyhopaths but your death is your own choice. At the very least I'll die with a weapon in my hand and go to my gods with a clean conscience. Cower in your corner, maybe they'll shoot you in the head and make it quick.

Your signature's kinda ironic isn't it?

 Breotan wrote:
In Colorado, Massachusetts, and New York they "baned" high-capacity magazines so that rampages like this wouldn't happen. Stupid "gun show loophole" that allows criminals to buy these deadly knives without a background check...

I know right? All those deaths caused by one crazy person and a knife... Wait a minute, no one died here. I wonder if that would be different had he had some magical device designed to kill people efficiently?

I think the guy that did this needs to get a football scholarship. He manages to stab 15 people??? Not only is that great dexterity and speed, he also showed a great amount of focus to get to #15 victim.

I predict he will be #1 draft pick as a RB in the NFL draft in 2 years time or optionally gets an acting part as "roberto" in a futurama movie.

 azazel the cat wrote:
I'm sure it's nice to think that in a situation like that you'd go all Die Hard on a shooter, but that's really just a power fantasy that's been marketed to you by Bushmaster et al.

Not really. Something like this goes down when I'm around, I'm getting me and mine out of Dodge and letting everyone else fend for themselves. I've been shot at enough for one lifetime.

Also, I adore that Bushmaster has become the latest bogeyman for the moonbats.

 Seaward wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
I'm sure it's nice to think that in a situation like that you'd go all Die Hard on a shooter, but that's really just a power fantasy that's been marketed to you by Bushmaster et al.

Not really. Something like this goes down when I'm around, I'm getting me and mine out of Dodge and letting everyone else fend for themselves. I've been shot at enough for one lifetime.

Also, I adore that Bushmaster has become the latest bogeyman for the moonbats.

Poor Armalite. They invent the gun, Bushmaster gets all the credit.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given that this guy managed to get 14 people with just a knife and thats pretty high compared to most shootings its hard to tell. About the same probably.

A gun going off also does give away whats happening, its hard to tell just by sound if someone got stabbed. But everyone within earshot will hear the gun go off.

Is anyone dead?

Not yet anyway. We don't know the status of the 4 people that got airlifted in critical condition. Airlifting people out is never a good sign.

A knife can be more dangerous than a gun for any number of reasons. especially with injury. More potential bleeding for one, depending on the exact circumstances.

Yes, I remember a long argument with someone who said that knives were more dangerous than guns.

It's complete rubbish, of course, when you look at the epidemiological studies.

I said can be more dangerous. Depends on all the variables.

I think you would not deny, though that in general guns are more deadly than knives.

Correct.