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 jonolikespie wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I'm hoping for a top tier book at long last. Something that doesn't fade away in power after 2-3 other books come out like the last few HE books have and can last a full edition without getting left in the shade. Luckily, I think we have the author for the job this time.

Brave words

Want a strong book - get Ward. He does a good job for GW as they keep giving him work and big projects (both systems main rulebooks to date!), he gives them sales in return as people rush to buy the latest supertrend.

That's not good for the health of the competitive game scene, which is already practically on life support in my local area

I think that GW no longer push anything towards the tournament scene in their mindset when producing rules and supplements. All the "Forging a Narrative" stuff points to that.

I don't think GW ever supported tournament play - at least not since I've been playing.

As for your local tournament scene, it's largely up to the TOs and community to fix things. Hopefully, there won't be much for you to fix, maybe banning a certain unit or item, but, if worst comes to worst and you need to ban High Elves completely, then so be it.

The Shadow has a very good point. It is a lot easier to downscale a bit than it is to scale it up.

Restricting strong picks is a lot easier / more precise than trying to buff an army by e.g. allowing it to field more points.

Call me a dreamer but since we're wishlisting after the fact anyways I'd rather have a balanced book than a top or bottom one...having said this, I think HE are extremely competetive. With noticeable army wide point drops, it's entirely possible to field a second unit of Elites, or anything else in fact, on top of your standard "old" list. Or a couple of new units, whatever.

I wish they had done that to my Empire, where I had to remove a couple of units due to all the point increases but that's spilt milk I guess.

Oh, I hope they become competitive again, alone for seeing them on the battlefield again. I really like their art style.

Step 1: Place Wizard's Tower on battlefield.

Step 2: Place Loremaster of Hoeth next to Wizar'd Tower.

Step 3: ????

Step 4: ALL THE SPELLS!

For those who are interested, there's a massive thread over at ulthuan.net. Pretty much everyone is agreeing that the Frostheard Phoenix is amazing, and that the Flying Chariot is pretty good too.

As for me, apart from the buffs to the Dragons, I'm extatic that Dragon Mages start with Dragon Armour, as it means that they're not completely stupid anymore.

Sorry, what? On what basis do you place that tower and ensure your LM can go near?

Folding Fortress is a piece of magic equipment that allows you to place a tower in your deployment zone.

Needless to say it's banned at comped tournaments

Its not a Wizard tower though. Its just a regular tower.

You're obviously not going to be able to place terrain the way you want all the time, it was just an attempt at being amusing while pointing out that he'd get 56 spells.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Needless to say

Then don't.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You're obviously not going to be able to place terrain the way you want all the time, it was just an attempt at being amusing while pointing out that he'd get 56 spells.

HA the look of sheer bewilderment on someones face when they have all those options.

 captain collius wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You're obviously not going to be able to place terrain the way you want all the time, it was just an attempt at being amusing while pointing out that he'd get 56 spells.

HA the look of sheer bewilderment on someones face when they have all those options.

Just think of the pain in the butt when the lord of change steals a random spell. Who's got a D56?
I think I'd just shuffle my spell deck and have him cut a card.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:

 captain collius wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You're obviously not going to be able to place terrain the way you want all the time, it was just an attempt at being amusing while pointing out that he'd get 56 spells.

HA the look of sheer bewilderment on someones face when they have all those options.

Just think of the pain in the butt when the lord of change steals a random spell. Who's got a D56?
I think I'd just shuffle my spell deck and have him cut a card.

-Matt

and then pray he pulls aspect of the dreadknight.

 captain collius wrote:

HawaiiMatt wrote:

 captain collius wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You're obviously not going to be able to place terrain the way you want all the time, it was just an attempt at being amusing while pointing out that he'd get 56 spells.

HA the look of sheer bewilderment on someones face when they have all those options.

Just think of the pain in the butt when the lord of change steals a random spell. Who's got a D56?
I think I'd just shuffle my spell deck and have him cut a card.

-Matt

and then pray he pulls aspect of the dreadknight.

Lol. 56 spells, and you nailed the most useless of all of them.

-Matt

I am actually quite looking forward to playing the odd game with Teclis and hoping I pull off Enfeebling Foe + Dwellers Below on the same, large unit

True enough, there will be the odd game with a crazy combo.


How about getting Flaming Sword, Wildform, Speed of Light, and Flesh to Stone on the same unit

 kirsanth wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Needless to say

Then don't.

Not sure if you know the term or are trolling.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 kirsanth wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Needless to say

Then don't.

Not sure if you know the term or are trolling.

Both.

Your incessant need to drone on about ETC comp as a requirement to WHFB is the same.

 kirsanth wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 kirsanth wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Needless to say

Then don't.

Not sure if you know the term or are trolling.

Both.

Your incessant need to drone on about ETC comp as a requirement to WHFB is the same.

I didn't even mention ETC, just said that it's banned in comp. Read the post. Don't interpretate it.

You are correct, even most light comp bans the Fortress along with the power scroll. But nobody really takes the fortress anyway even without it being banned. Lists that do tend to have one trick with that fortress, its take 3 units. One really big deathstar and 2 really cheap ones. But all you need to do is pop the 2 cheap units and you win.

I did read it, Sigvatr, as I read all of your posts now (for the longest time you were the only person on my ignore list for the same reason).

You post a lot of good things, but almost all of it gets drowned out by that comp drivel.

When you went so far as to recognize it this time, I agreed.

 Sigvatr wrote:

I didn't even mention ETC, just said that it's banned in comp. Read the post. Don't interpretate it.

Except that's not true. I've played in a lot of comp environments that don't ban the tower.
ETC bans the tower, but ETC thankfully is not all comp events.

I've used the tower in none death star lists as well.
I squeezed it into my O&G gunline before. 10 warmachines, and a 6 story tower with my wiz-lord and BSB(flaming banner), along with 30 arrer boyz.
Thematically, it's the large watchtower holding the center of the orc lines against the advancing enemy.
It's not like 30 BS3 S3 flaming shots is overboard.

-Matt

 Grey Templar wrote:
True enough, there will be the odd game with a crazy combo.

How about getting Flaming Sword, Wildform, Speed of Light, and Flesh to Stone on the same unit

May as well throw Okkam's in there somewhere...

 kirsanth wrote:
I did read it, Sigvatr, as I read all of your posts now (for the longest time you were the only person on my ignore list for the same reason).

You post a lot of good things, but almost all of it gets drowned out by that comp drivel.

When you went so far as to recognize it this time, I agreed.

I only say "comp" because I refer to my competitive environment as it's the only one I am currently playing in. When I refer to "comp" I do not want to say "Restricted comp is the only comp, feck off with your unrestricted comp, you guys have no idea how to play comped WHFB!", I just refer to the comp environment I am used to. That's what I meant with you (mis)interpretating my post.

Furthermore, even at smaller tournaments that do not use ETC restrictions, the Folding Fortress is banned as there are a lot of very nasty combos to pull of.

So, in the end, it's a matter of perspective. When I say "comp" I refer to the comp I know which is restricted comp. It's the same way around - when you say comp and only refer to unrestricted comp, I do not feel offended either

Hope I got that explained correctly this time.

I wanted to apologies for the tone of that last post of mine.
Re-reading it, it sounds quite different than what I intended.

You bringing up comp is not quite the issue - ETC is a perfectly viable system to use, even if I think it as flawed as the game without it.

My statement was more than I got sick of reading, in most every post, that one is superior and should be used - and must be for any competitive scenario.

If a question/statement has two answer because a different rules system is used, pointing it out is one thing.
Using it as an excuse to soapbox constantly is quite another.

No, your initial post was not espousing ETC specifically, but again, when you start by acknowledging the absurdity of the stance, it should not be odd to be called on it.

Good that we kinda agree on this then and don't worry, I did not feel offended

So just to make it clear: both systems are viable. I, personally, consider ETC more viable because I, personally, consider it more balanced. I don't intend to force it on anyone though - unrestricted or restricted, both are perfectly fine ways to play and I want everyone to have fun the way he wants to!

 The Shadow wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
True enough, there will be the odd game with a crazy combo.

How about getting Flaming Sword, Wildform, Speed of Light, and Flesh to Stone on the same unit

May as well throw Okkam's in there somewhere...

Nah, I was just throwing in spells that can be cast on 2 dice.

Well, as a Daemon player I'm hoping that the new Skill Banner gets FAQ'd asap to only gain a 2++ against attacks from Magic Weapons and not my entire gakking army...
Or for the local High Elf player to at least show a modicrum of sportsmanship and not field it against my poor, poor Daemons every single game.

I have however resigned myself to the fact my first few games will be against Alarielle+friends White Lion horde backed up by the minimum amount of required Sea Guard + Frostheart/s.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
You're obviously not going to be able to place terrain the way you want all the time, it was just an attempt at being amusing while pointing out that he'd get 56 spells.

Ah, I see. That *is* amusing indeed.

 kirsanth wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Needless to say

Then don't.

Why not? Are you under the impression that there must be a need for anything we post?