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UN Test Pilot wrote:
From Palladium, They will be ABS plastic so you can use super glue or plastic glue.

Well, that certainly has an effect on things. Not sure its a positive one. Are we talking full ABS or some sort of resin/ABS hybrid (aka Restic)?

Also, does Polystyrene Cement (aka plastic glue) actually work on ABS? Never tried it.

~Eric

So.... I ended up falling asleep rewatching Robotech last night. The nostalgia is really hard not to want to pledged $140 and ride it out. I really love the look of the veritechs.

Joyboozer wrote:
So what happens when, because of all the extras they've added, the release schedule gets blown way out and they can't sell the product retail until its all sorted?

Last response to this discussion.

These companies have a plan for the future when they do this. Many (most of them) post timelines of when we can expect to see these things on the shelf, once they have exceeded what they already had made/created/in stock.

I don't worry about release schedule after the KS, just what I get/will get from that KS. Look at the Kensei Indiegogo, some of those items won't be released until 18 months after the campaign. I still haven't received stuff from the first Mantic KS because all they had the time was some sketch art.

Anything in this KS will be on the shelf at some point. Period.

The line sustains the core, not the other way around.

 Taarnak wrote:

UN Test Pilot wrote:
From Palladium, They will be ABS plastic so you can use super glue or plastic glue.

Well, that certainly has an effect on things. Not sure its a positive one. Are we talking full ABS or some sort of resin/ABS hybrid (aka Restic)?

Also, does Polystyrene Cement (aka plastic glue) actually work on ABS? Never tried it.

~Eric

Yes, most plastic glues work fine on ABS. Some of the specific formulations dont work, or rather dont work as well...though that is normally the things like the non-fogging formulas for clear plastic. Most of your regular plastic cements work fine with ABS though.

I like Loctite glues.

They make many types for different uses and are generally less costly than games store glues.

BTW...to test your own particular brand of glue, you can give it a try with some Legos.

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
There is still a month left. Plenty of time for new models and for them to add diversity to the game. If you are iffy about it then take a wait and see approach.

At this point Im holding out, theres another kickstarter coming soon Im trying to hold funds for...however, if they start adding Invid...Ill probably be in pretty quick.

I think they said that the scope of this kickstarter will be macros only but they do eventually plan on doing models for the other two eras including Invid. I'm guessing that the Shadow Chronicles/Sentinels/New Generation era will be next since that's the era that Harmony Gold is supporting but that is a complete guess on my part and obviously doesn't follow the series story chronologically.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

Yes, most plastic glues work fine on ABS. Some of the specific formulations dont work, or rather dont work as well...though that is normally the things like the non-fogging formulas for clear plastic. Most of your regular plastic cements work fine with ABS though.

Good to know. I thought it might, since they are both variation of styrene, but I wasn't sure.

Thanks.

~Eric

It appears that the original 24 dice in the core set were *wink* *wink* just regular dice despite the video showing zentraedi custom ones. Currently, the next stretch goal is to turn 12 of the dice into UEDF ones with the other 12 in the core as standard for now (with a likely future zentraedi dice stretch goal).

Has anyone confirmed the size comparisons to BT mechs.

I realize they have a printed scale of 1/285, but that means just about nothing if the BT and Robotech fluff don't have them standing the same height.

For example, unless I'm mistaken, the Zentraedi pods in 6mm would be much larger than their Ostol and Maurader BT counterparts. And the Valkyries in Robogear look as big as the Destroids, whereas in BT, Wasps and Stingers are smaller than Rifleman and Warhammer mechs.

Anyone know how the sizes of the other BT and Macross designs compare?

There were a few battletech fans a page or two back doing comparisons after measuring their own unseen models and doing some photoshop kung fu on robotech models to gauge their height.

The short answer was Destroids yes everything else no for Battle tech.

 Taarnak wrote:

UN Test Pilot wrote:
From Palladium, They will be ABS plastic so you can use super glue or plastic glue.

Well, that certainly has an effect on things. Not sure its a positive one. Are we talking full ABS or some sort of resin/ABS hybrid (aka Restic)?

Also, does Polystyrene Cement (aka plastic glue) actually work on ABS? Never tried it.

~Eric

Something labelled polystyrene cement won't work as the chemicals in it won't melt ABS (or won't melt it well enough)

but there are a bunch of glues that do work on ABS (typically they have high Methy Ethyl Ketone content, and are nice and toxic)

Plasticweld ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tasma-Products-Ltd-Plastic-Cement/dp/B0053WXLVU or

Testors http://www.testors.com/product/136635/3502X/_/Liquid_Cement_for_Plastic

Eric,
As you're in the US, I highly recommend Plastruct Plastic Weld. I assume it's the same as the UK product mentioned above, except that it comes in an orange bottle like this in most USA hobby shops. I use it for all types of plastics and it works great. The brush applicator is really neat also.

Don't get the white labeled bottle as it is a fine product, but doesn't bond as many types of plastic.

Justyn wrote:
The short answer was Destroids yes everything else no for Battle tech.

Thanks!

I play Mech attack in 10mm, so it looks like the Valks, and maybe the Zentraedi would scale up well there. I've got zero interest in the Robotech game, so I'll have to give it some thought as to whether/how to get involved in this kickstarter.

Eilif wrote:


I play Mech attack in 10mm, so it looks like the Valks, and maybe the Zentraedi would scale up well there. I've got zero interest in the Robotech game, so I'll have to give it some thought as to whether/how to get involved in this kickstarter.

I have little/no interest in the base game either, so the scale is a big hold up for me as well. Im getting into 15mm mecha, and I think these are just going to be too small. I have some old Battletech/Robotech 1/200 scale models and they scale up well to my N scale Battletech models, so Im thinking the 1/285 would be too small...double so since I have Battlepods & an officers battlepod already...smaller versions of the same would be weird. Likely my funds will be held for Paulsons Mecha Front in 15mm, which I think will be announced soon.

The fact that they won't let you pledge for just destroids is also very annoying. I don't want any of the products I would need to pledge for to attach a few boxes of destroids to.

Justyn wrote:
The fact that they won't let you pledge for just destroids is also very annoying. I don't want any of the products I would need to pledge for to attach a few boxes of destroids to.

That's not true.

Just pledge your amount and select No Reward.

Then at the end when they send the survey, you just put in the items you want.

Which can be all add-on Destroids if you wish.

TalonZahn wrote:
You don't keep buying the X-Wing core set.

Speak for yourself. I have bought three and may buy a fourth. It's the best way to get the workhorse ships that drive that game. The core box in this game could be the same.

TalonZahn wrote:

Justyn wrote:
The fact that they won't let you pledge for just destroids is also very annoying. I don't want any of the products I would need to pledge for to attach a few boxes of destroids to.

That's not true.

Just pledge your amount and select No Reward.

Then at the end when they send the survey, you just put in the items you want.

Which can be all add-on Destroids if you wish.

Indeed. Just pledge the princely sum of $1 and then add on all the destroids you want.

 warboss wrote:
I'm guessing that the Shadow Chronicles/Sentinels/New Generation era will be next since

Mr. Siembieda confirmed as much in the interview you posted on page 1.

Hrm, when I first saw the dice upgrade I was more than a little underwhelmed. As somebody already said, I'm a gamer, I already have way more dice than I'll ever need. Then I realized, if I had robotech dice, that is ALL I WOULD EVER USE! Bring on the dice!

Also, they have a blurb in that update about the 260K goal being another freebie addon, and the picture is of the skull and crossbones emblem from Roy's Skull Squadrion VF-1S

 Manchu wrote:

TalonZahn wrote:
You don't keep buying the X-Wing core set.

Speak for yourself. I have bought three and may buy a fourth. It's the best way to get the workhorse ships that drive that game. The core box in this game could be the same.

I try to get out and they keep pulling me back in.....

After general release. If you need more Pods or Valks in this game, you would buy the Pods/Valks boxed set not the core set.

You don't buy the 40K boxed starter to get more marines, you buy the Tac Squad box.

Same idea.

Actually, I know a LOT of people that buy 2 or 3 of the 40k box sets. I've seen people buy 2 Warmachine starters, quite often in fact. Generally speaking, the starter sets tend to be the best value and are an easy way to bulk up your armies as long as you're just looking for more basic stuff and aren't picky about having so many duplicates (or are willing to spend some time on conversions)

I can get the X-Wing core box for $26 -- three ships, templates, dice, cards, counters for $26. Buying everything separately means I'm closer to $35 and then I'm not getting everything from the core box (admittedly, the expansion packs have a few cards the core doesn't, too). For me, the obvious choice for rounding out both of my fleets was therefore the core set. Obviously, I can't make the same pricing assumptions about this product. Just saying -- it is possible that a core set has multiple purchase value. X-Wing is the paradigm case for that and game-wise it's very similar to what we're seeing with Robotech.


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 Kalamadea wrote:
Also, they have a blurb in that update about the 260K goal being another freebie addon, and the picture is of the skull and crossbones emblem from Roy's Skull Squadrion VF-1S

.........$260K BONUS to all Battle Cry, Gloval's Report, and 2x Showdown pledges.

There's just no end to it. I need to stop posting.....

My point is, and was when I was actually trying to discuss this: The Core Set does not sustain the line. It's ALL the other stuff that sustains the line over time.

Of course the Core sets are of more "value" because that's how they get people into the game. By in large, in all systems, people do not buy the Core game over and over to increase their armies of any game/nature/system. Of course there will be outlier customers that want their entire Dark Angel army to be built with nothing but what's in the Starter Box, but they are the fringe. If any of this was untrue, miniature companies wouldn't make anything but the Core Set.

Can we please just go back to discussing how awesome the next Stretch Goal is?

TalonZahn wrote:
There's just no end to it. I need to stop posting.....

My point is, and was when I was actually trying to discuss this: The Core Set does not sustain the line. It's ALL the other stuff that sustains the line over time.

Of course the Core sets are of more "value" because that's how they get people into the game. By in large, in all systems, people do not buy the Core game over and over to increase their armies of any game/nature/system. Of course there will be outlier customers that want their entire Dark Angel army to be built with nothing but what's in the Starter Box, but they are the fringe. If any of this was untrue, miniature companies wouldn't make anything but the Core Set.

Can we please just go back to discussing how awesome the next Stretch Goal is?

Yes, can we please?

...nevermind due to the pre-crime warning above that came up while I was typing.


So.. back to the topic..

I bought cheap on ebay and received one of these blockade runners for my x-wing games (with working lights and sounds... pew pew! swoosh!)...



and now I'm debating getting one of these for Robotech but I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how to make it a dynamic Prometheus play area as opposed to getting the cardboard building and city terrain set (which is the front runner currently).




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12x UEDF/RDF custom dice upgrade unlocked in each core set. After that relatively lackluster stretch goal (and with the Zentraedi dice future stretch goal spoiled by the intro video showing them), the next stretch goal is a lot more exciting. At $260k, each Blitzkrieg and up pledge receives a Roy Fokker veritech in all three modes free as well as available for purchase as a $15 add on (like Rick Hunter).

I have every intention of getting the "Showdown" level. at $260 over one hundred models is amazing. I can hardley contain myself. I only hope that after this is done, and they begin to add more from the later Robotech eras that the hovertank gets introduced as well.

 warboss wrote:

You sir are my hero. I have the same blockade runner on my shelf, such a great looking ship.

From Palladium in regard to Ricks and Roy's Veritechs, also was said the Skull1 will have the shill and crossbones etched on.
Rick's Veritech will have a dynamic and unique pose to separate him from other Veritechs. Of course, they both have special rules as well.

Also the game cards are planned to be released with the model, but will also be in the rulebooks, so to get Rick and Roy's cards you need the SE models.