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 Forar wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:



Because who doesn't love a mech that generates speed lines while standing still!

... what the hell did I just watch?

It's the really poorly designed Mk1 Monster from a rather mediocre anime called Macross Zero. It's supposed to be the precursor to the Mk2 Monster, but honestly, you should just ignore it. The Mk1 has stupid robo-claws for hands, the Mk2 has arms that contain missile tubes that fire reaction/reflex 250kiloton anti-warship nuclear missiles.

I was going to ask if these were in a small enough scale to use with BTech... but the KS is over. Oh well.

Except for the Glaug/Marauder, yes. The glaug is scaled correctly in robotech which leaves it much bigger than it would be in battletech.

I am in for Showdown but I have $240 more to use ... Thoughts?

I was going to ask if these were in a small enough scale to use with BTech... but the KS is over. Oh well.

Yes. They were specifically designed at this scale for cross sales to BT fans.


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I'm super stoked that they made an SDF-1. Even if it's only a display model.

 Lysenis wrote:
I am in for Showdown but I have $240 more to use ... Thoughts?

What are your priorities? Sheer number of models or variety? Skirmish or wargame sized battles? Zentraedi or Human? Your thoughts on experimental mecha... abomination or cool expansion?

Bloody hell, this thing went nuts after I went to bed. Last thing I saw was 10K to go for free Lancers.

Which is potentially a razor blade in the candy floss of life. Can I still upgrade from Battle Cry to Showdown? Please say yes...

 Evil_Toast wrote:
Bloody hell, this thing went nuts after I went to bed. Last thing I saw was 10K to go for free Lancers.

Which is potentially a razor blade in the candy floss of life. Can I still upgrade from Battle Cry to Showdown? Please say yes...

Possibly. I'm hoping so, myself.

 warboss wrote:
I'm curious to see if Robotech can beat the one day pledge total for zombicide 2 of $449k. That's definitely the highest I've seen for a tabletop game offering. If anyone has any higher ones for a minis/board/tabletop game, feel free to post it. We're already within a few minutes of passing the second highest that I know of (Myth).

Reaper bones posted 600k on the day before the final day and 760k on it's final day.

Finally decided that just battle cry would be enough but i'll probably throw in for the armoured valks come pledge manager time.

Seems like true alchemists Palladium have discovered the Philosopher's Stone which transmutes pure nostalgia into cold hard cash.

What was that Macross 2012 Pachinko thing? Did they really commission a thorough re-animation of the iconic scenes of Macross for an arcade machine played by grannies? Some of that Marcross Frontier style is showing...

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Seems like true alchemists Palladium have discovered the Philosopher's Stone which transmutes pure nostalgia into cold hard cash

There is definitely nostalgia, but there are a lot of good uses for the minis too. Good quality Minis for under $2 a piece is a great deal. I feel much the same with this kickstarter as I have with others that I have backed, if the game doesn't pan out I still have great minis that I can use for other projects. If other companies charges this much, they might see their sales go up.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Seems like true alchemists Palladium have discovered the Philosopher's Stone which transmutes pure nostalgia into cold hard cash

There is definitely nostalgia, but there are a lot of good uses for the minis too. Good quality Minis for under $2 a piece is a great deal. I feel much the same with this kickstarter as I have with others that I have backed, if the game doesn't pan out I still have great minis that I can use for other projects. If other companies charges this much, they might see their sales go up.

Yep. If nothing else, I'm getting a bunch of Warhammers, Riflement, Archers, Longbows, and various Stinger/Wasp/Phoenix Hawk/LAMs for Battletech, PLUS some other neat display pieces/useful game pieces for other games.

Works for me. I'm hoping the game itself pans out and is good, but if it's a turd, there are contingencies.

Good job guys, I've always loved Robotech and I'm glad the franchise gets the respect it deserves.

I hope the rules are good. lol

shade1313 wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Seems like true alchemists Palladium have discovered the Philosopher's Stone which transmutes pure nostalgia into cold hard cash

There is definitely nostalgia, but there are a lot of good uses for the minis too. Good quality Minis for under $2 a piece is a great deal. I feel much the same with this kickstarter as I have with others that I have backed, if the game doesn't pan out I still have great minis that I can use for other projects. If other companies charges this much, they might see their sales go up.

Yep. If nothing else, I'm getting a bunch of Warhammers, Riflement, Archers, Longbows, and various Stinger/Wasp/Phoenix Hawk/LAMs for Battletech, PLUS some other neat display pieces/useful game pieces for other games.

Works for me. I'm hoping the game itself pans out and is good, but if it's a turd, there are contingencies.

Talking about transmuting nostalgia... you do realise you're still transmuting it, except it's Battletech nostalgia instead of Macross? Which, of course licensed the mecha designs from Macross...

I highly doubt that a similar kickstarter featuring well-designed, multi-purpose mecha at $2 a pop would have hit the $1.5 million mark if they weren't cashing in on your childhood memories.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Seems like true alchemists Palladium have discovered the Philosopher's Stone which transmutes pure nostalgia into cold hard cash

There is definitely nostalgia, but there are a lot of good uses for the minis too. Good quality Minis for under $2 a piece is a great deal. I feel much the same with this kickstarter as I have with others that I have backed, if the game doesn't pan out I still have great minis that I can use for other projects. If other companies charges this much, they might see their sales go up.

Yep. If nothing else, I'm getting a bunch of Warhammers, Riflement, Archers, Longbows, and various Stinger/Wasp/Phoenix Hawk/LAMs for Battletech, PLUS some other neat display pieces/useful game pieces for other games.

Works for me. I'm hoping the game itself pans out and is good, but if it's a turd, there are contingencies.

Talking about transmuting nostalgia... you do realise you're still transmuting it, except it's Battletech nostalgia instead of Macross? Which, of course licensed the mecha designs from Macross...

I highly doubt that a similar kickstarter featuring well-designed, multi-purpose mecha at $2 a pop would have hit the $1.5 million mark if they weren't cashing in on your childhood memories.

You are probably right, but would depend on what else I can use the minis for. I like unique and interesting mins. I can use most of these in various games if I want to. These would make killer Tau, which is know as the Anime army anyway. Hell, they would be cheaper than buying actual Tau too! I bought Sedition wars for the minis and I think they hit about the same level of pledges ans there was no nostalgia there, just a source of cool looking cheap minis.

I would actually go as far to say that most of the backers are probably macross/battletech fans over robotech.

The vocal minority palladium fanboys were in full effect on the KS comments the whole time however.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Hell, they would be cheaper than buying actual Tau too! I bought Sedition wars for the minis and I think they hit about the same level of pledges ans there was no nostalgia there, just a source of cool looking cheap minis.

Who told you my plan!

Battloids for Crisis Suits.
A double set of Phalanx for my MissleSide, same but the other Destroid for my RailSide.
Maybe find a way to make the Monster into a Riptide?
Maybe the smaller Power Armour or Inf for stealth suits?

 warboss wrote:

 Lysenis wrote:
I am in for Showdown but I have $240 more to use ... Thoughts?

What are your priorities? Sheer number of models or variety? Skirmish or wargame sized battles? Zentraedi or Human? Your thoughts on experimental mecha... abomination or cool expansion?

I am likely going to get 2-3 squadrons of Super Valks. With Showdown I have a hefty amount of models already which is great. My goal is to be able play with others and get this game rolling in my FLGS.

I AM getting VF-4's at least a squadron. My history with robocross is what made me join the Navy so I am likely going with UEDF forces but Also want others to be able to build what they want as well. I do want wargame capability and I think Showdown gives me that.


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This is what I am looking at getting..

Showdown $260
VF-4 Squadron $60
Super Valks $70
Armored Valks $80
Exerimental Battloid $40
VEF-1 $60
Infantry $60
Eldrae squad $80
SDF-2 x2 $40
Objective packs 1&2 $30
SDF bases x3 60


$840 total


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I guess some of this can wait for lgs purchaces... What to trim... Likely the Zentrandi items...

Hopefully I'm not covering old ground, but how exactly do things work from now on? Will there be a form e-mailed to me that I fill in for extra dollies I want?

 Lysenis wrote:
I am in for Showdown but I have $240 more to use ... Thoughts?

You could get four packs of the YF-4, and two of the ghost.

 Evil_Toast wrote:
Hopefully I'm not covering old ground, but how exactly do things work from now on? Will there be a form e-mailed to me that I fill in for extra dollies I want?

Firstly they'll E-mail a survey. This gives them an idea as to what people want, but is not binding. Later, they'll send out the Pledge Manager. This is your last chance to add things to what you wanted. Any extra that you owe them can be taken from your credit card, or you could use paypal. Make sure you are completely happy with what you have put on the pledge manager - any over-payment is a gift to them and you will not be able to take it back, so make sure you have put everything you pledged for down. If you have realised that there is something that you didn't pledge for - like I didn't think we'd hit the YF-4's and didn't increase my pledge, was just happy enough we were going to hit the SDF-1 - you can add it to the pledge manager and pay the increase BUT you can't drop your pledge amount.

Hope this helps.

Cypher-xv wrote:

 Lysenis wrote:
I am in for Showdown but I have $240 more to use ... Thoughts?

You could get four packs of the YF-4, and two of the ghost.

But why? We dont have the stat cards for the vf4 or the point cost. I will be getting a squadron now yes but I light wait for my FLGS to Carey before I acquire more.

Also realize that I will be painting all this so that is apaet of the equation (also battle damage conversions as well)

 Conrad Turner wrote:


Firstly they'll E-mail a survey. This gives them an idea as to what people want, but is not binding. Later, they'll send out the Pledge Manager. This is your last chance to add things to what you wanted. Any extra that you owe them can be taken from your credit card, or you could use paypal.

I do hope you're right about the paypal part. I asked that question to the ninjas and got a no.

Edit: out of curiosity...why did this KS thread get turfed hours after the end but we still have mantic ones months later and myth weeks later still in news and rumors?

Swabby wrote:
I would actually go as far to say that most of the backers are probably macross/battletech fans over robotech.

The vocal minority palladium fanboys were in full effect on the KS comments the whole time however.

I would say that's probably not true. Every Macross forum I visited snubbed their noses at it as well as anything that puts money in the pockets of Harmony Gold. And the Battletech forums that I visited were similarly unsupportive.

I personally know a half dozen people who backed it, all because it's Robotech. I don't know anyone who backed it because it was Macross or Battletech.


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 warboss wrote:

Edit: out of curiosity...why did this KS thread get turfed hours after the end but we still have mantic ones months later and myth weeks later still in news and rumors?

Change the title to be "Palladium/Nina Divisioin ROBOTECH TACTICS news" and get it moved back.

 Evil_Toast wrote:
Bloody hell, this thing went nuts after I went to bed. Last thing I saw was 10K to go for free Lancers.

Which is potentially a razor blade in the candy floss of life. Can I still upgrade from Battle Cry to Showdown? Please say yes...

Yes.

They've said that pretty much any tier (presumably not the early birds, that'd be zany) can be used as an Add On, which is (far as I know) how people are getting multiple Recklesses and whatnot without bothering to use multiple accounts.

My crew is in for a Reckless and an extra Battle Cry across the 3 of us who bought in (at least 7-8 will likely be players, but us three are the ones funded/nostalgic enough to throw cash at it).

Justified a Showdown of my own out of those 5 with a little left over for a MAC II, a squad of Armoured Battloids and maybe an SDF-1 resin figure. My meagre painting skills won't do it justice, but it'd be nice to have all the same.

So... I had some free time at lunch and did some quickie math and the add ons do indeed seem weighted a bit towards the zentraedi (at least in terms of $$ value.. didn't check in game points). Using the core box as the base amount, a battlecry pledge gives you $155 in human add-ons and $185 in zentraedi. I'll let someone else figure out the squadron points difference (if any) as the zentraedi are generally cheaper in pts per model than UEDF. The calculation does help me in the sense that I'm glad my addons were UEDF and not zentraedi.

If nothing else, I imagine the point difference will be kind of a sliding scale, since there seems to be some variance on what a figure is worth depending on whether it's part of a Core unit or an upgrade/elite.

Not to mention that some boxes contain a vague number of points (how many Defenders you build vs Tomahawks, assuming they have a differing point cost, I think they do). I suppose one could just do the math up for the most expensive options possible as an estimate, but depending on what constitutes a 'regular' game versus an 'epic' one versus a skirmish might skew that further.

It was mentioned by one of the Ninjas that a 300 point game took about an hour, but that they enjoyed larger scale 600 point games that took a while longer. After a year and a half of a skirmish game, I suspect my crew will be all about getting some massive 2 on 2 battles going on the biggest table we can find.

Also, since I generally just come to Dakka for Kickstarter campaigns/threads, it's kind of messing with my head not to be going into the News/Rumours subforum, though that's where I first heard about the Dwarven Forge campaign, so it's probably safer for my wallet this way.

 Forar wrote:
If nothing else, I imagine the point difference will be kind of a sliding scale, since there seems to be some variance on what a figure is worth depending on whether it's part of a Core unit or an upgrade/elite.

Not to mention that some boxes contain a vague number of points (how many Defenders you build vs Tomahawks, assuming they have a differing point cost, I think they do). I suppose one could just do the math up for the most expensive options possible as an estimate, but depending on what constitutes a 'regular' game versus an 'epic' one versus a skirmish might skew that further.

It was mentioned by one of the Ninjas that a 300 point game took about an hour, but that they enjoyed larger scale 600 point games that took a while longer. After a year and a half of a skirmish game, I suspect my crew will be all about getting some massive 2 on 2 battles going on the biggest table we can find.

UN Test Pilot did some calculations and came up with around 450-460pts for both sides in battlecry not counting any special characters so multiply accordingly for your pledge level. That's big enough for me personally from a "crap I have to paint" perspective as I've painted less than one mini per month averaged out over the last year or so. Adding 96 minis to the to do pile will keep me busy for a long while. I suspect I'll have to get through my heavy gear painting backlog and one single 40k mini left to paint before this winter if I'm to hit the ground running with robotech.

I found another pic of the YF-4/VF-4 in case anyone else was wondering how it looks in all 3 modes at least from the japanese macross perspective. Insert the usual disclaimer of who knows if Ninja will keep it the same for Robotech. I've spoilered it as its a pretty big picture.

Yeah, with around 145 models coming to me when all is said and done (possibly hooking another friend up with part of my Showdown), I should probably make a direct effort to finish painting up the rest of my Malifaux figures, because I imagine

it's going to take me all next year to get all of those built, magnetized, primed and painted. Though honestly I'll probably focus on the first three. Better to be able to field the pieces rather than wait extra weeks and months just to get a few figures done.

One thing of note... someone on palladium's forums posted a link to the update that added the objective markers with pictures. They're apparently kickstarter/convention limited editions like Roy/Rick and won't be availabe on normal store shelves despite not actually saying that on the add on page like the other limited offerings. Just an FYI as I was under the impression that they weren't personally.

@Forar: I don't know how long the robotech figs will take to paint compared with other lines. They're bigger than most figs so that takes more time but they don't have the ridiculously unneccesary bling of 40k figs (or frilly lace of malifaux!) which saves you some time. I'd probably put them around the same as Heavy Gear fire support figs which can take a while.