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If true I'm waiting for the eventual update where Kevin blames the backers for RRT not getting made on time or some other mishap. You know it's just a matter of time.




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Forar you are too funny. RRT 1.5 lol


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An your right Mike will probably be ready with his game before ND. Sans minis, wonk, wonk. :-p

 Cypher-xv wrote:
It's interesting to note that the latest update is at 202 post and only 32 likes. My sincer hope is that PB/ND, and HG finally notice it's not just 1% that are dissatisfied with the reckless way things have been run.

Nah, they'll just poo poo it away as the 1% malcontents (pun intended) will always complain and the 99% who stay quiet are all universally happy. Perhaps Kevin S. will secretly poll the kickstarter pledgers to gauge their happyiness... or has he done it already and we just don't know we participated yet again!!??!!

Get out of my head!lol


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Considering how things went downhill in the last update. Is this what happened when the funding for ng1 was complete?

Y'know, with all the frustration bubbling over at the delay announcement, there are two aspects I haven't seen talked about much:

First, Kevin claiming that they hope to start production by the end of this month. That feels like a platitude. Unless they've been given a "maybe, we'll see how our current run goes" by a factory, I can only assume these things (especially a project in the 650,000+ minis range) are booked well in advance. Not knowing a mere 3 weeks away smacks of more idle/desperate/unrealistic hope and best case scenario thinking. Which we're trying to get them away from, and have been for the last half a year (not to mention the last three decades, but that's another story).

Second, they mention NA boxes going out first, then tagging all the EU/rest of the world boxes, shipping them over in bulk for further distribution.

Given the raw size of the project, and the assumption that a solid number of their backers are US based, that sounds like it'll be weeks, if not months between the first US backers getting their boxes and Europe getting theirs. Maybe the EU/Asia backing was very large, but it sounds like even if North Americans do get their boxes in February, some will be waiting until March/April all the same.

I get that distribution can be complicated, especially when the campaign is heavily designed around people buying completely unique figure quantities (meaning each backer package requires a lot more attention to detail, and likely time), but I can only imagine how annoying it's going to be to live in the UK or France or something and have to wait extra weeks or months, depending on a number of factors.

Palladium seems to base their project management in a fashion similar to that annoying friend we all have.. you know the one... who is always late because he budgets his travel time based on midnight traffic with all green lights and no police going 15 over the speed limit... but he's coming over during Friday afternoon rush hour. When you call him when he's late, he'll always give you that "I'm running a few minutes late and will be there in 5-10min" line because it sounds better than the truth and he doesn't want to make you angry (despite the fact that his lies will be obvious soon enough... but by that time he'll be ready to blame an accident/school bus unloading/broken traffic light/unicorn in the street/whatever).

It's good for him that his loving girlfriend (the Palladium "super-duper fans") who always ignore his flaws is constantly by his side and ready to blame you for setting up a get together during rush hour so clearly it's your fault and he's not to blame for leaving 10 minutes before that time despite being 40 miles away and why did you set up the meeting so far away? What kevin S. picked it? Well he clearly did it for your benefit and you should be grateful that he showed up (two hours late).....

What's funny now is how it's the fault of the Chinese for celebrating New Years. Warboss is right about super duper fans. Their apologizing for PB again. Forar's comment about blind loyalty is dead on. I can't believe they still can't see the forest for the trees.

I'm pretty Zen on this one for the time being, chaps. I expected that the delivery date given was in all likelihood a load of bollocks given the number of models and then the pledge manager delays. Given that KS seems to be in charge again, and in standard douchebag mode, I'll just sit tight and expect my stuff in the middle of next year, then proceed to not back or purchase any of his subsequent products. Although I really did enjoy SC, Macross is still the "key" part of the Robotech franchise for me, so as long as I get my stuff by, say, June, I'll be content enough.

What sucks is that I won't have any more YF-4 squads till 2015 since it'll come out on a layer wave. I'll just have to make do with my one squad. Wish I had dumped the one or two vef-1 packs for another squad of YF-4.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
What sucks is that I won't have any more YF-4 squads till 2015 since it'll come out on a layer wave. I'll just have to make do with my one squad. Wish I had dumped the one or two vef-1 packs for another squad of YF-4.

Have you seen the YF-4 render? You're not missing much.


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 Azazelx wrote:
I'm pretty Zen on this one for the time being, chaps.

I had hoped the AVP kickstarter would get me excited about crowdfunded minis again but there is a complete lack of value in the pledges available there right now. There was an adage I remember reading about prepainted minis on a D&D site that said you can have nice variety, cheap cost, great quality.. pick two. I guess with Prodos, you have relatively on time delivery and good communication but little to no value compared with buying it at the retail level. Palladium opted for just one option (lots of value with battlecry).

Well, also remember what the Battlecry started with. It was a deal at day one, but not "omg $550 worth of stuff for $140" good.

A fairer comparison will be in 3 weeks when AvP is coming to an end as well.

I'm in for the bottom tier, and might just stay there and enjoy having my name in the booklet. If it covers S&H, maybe grab an add on or two, but in terms of the base game, I think I'll just wait for retail.

 Forar wrote:
Well, also remember what the Battlecry started with. It was a deal at day one, but not "omg $550 worth of stuff for $140" good.

A fairer comparison will be in 3 weeks when AvP is coming to an end as well.

I'm in for the bottom tier, and might just stay there and enjoy having my name in the booklet. If it covers S&H, maybe grab an add on or two, but in terms of the base game, I think I'll just wait for retail.

Which is why I specified "right now". Even at it's entry level value, Battle cry was a better deal and it included a mention of "freebies included". The warzone campaign have very few freebies and almost everything unlocked was unlocked *for purchase*. I don't expect the value to change much more than another 5-6 figs based on their previous outing which won't change my mind. Luckily for me, by eschewing early bird pledges containing some additional discount, I have nothing to lose by waiting till the very end like I did with Warzone. YMMV.

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 Cypher-xv wrote:
What sucks is that I won't have any more YF-4 squads till 2015 since it'll come out on a layer wave. I'll just have to make do with my one squad. Wish I had dumped the one or two vef-1 packs for another squad of YF-4.

Have you seen the YF-4 render? You're not missing much.

I like the render. Just hope ND refines it a bit.

 warboss wrote:
Which is why I specified "right now". Even at it's entry level value, Battle cry was a better deal and it included a mention of "freebies included". The warzone campaign have very few freebies and almost everything unlocked was unlocked *for purchase*. I don't expect the value to change much more than another 5-6 figs based on their previous outing which won't change my mind. Luckily for me, by eschewing early bird pledges containing some additional discount, I have nothing to lose by waiting till the very end like I did with Warzone. YMMV.

Gotcha. Good to know, as I didn't really follow Warzone at all. I'll keep my eye on this, and then decide at the end if it's worth $15 to have my name in the backers list of the booklet. As is, my crew has like a dozen games on the go (old favourites, newly bought and upcoming in the next year alike), so it's going to have to really wow me to get another $150'ish on my credit card rather than simply waiting for the usual retail discount my local shops usually have.

One card? They've got one card that's ready to unveil?
I'm guessing from Ninja Divisions Facebook page all their work was completed as they've moved on to other projects, so it looks like it really is down to PB having done FA.

One card that they already revealed largely unchanged (statwise... but mike morph can probably comment more accurately on that). I guess that means they've officially moved from 98% done last week to 98.01%! Woot! We're almost there guys!!

Ask and you shall receive. The new cards are lacking any circles to blot out damage or missiles that have been shot. BUT we are only looking at part of the card and not the whole thing. Also Aircraft no longer have the flight trait in addition to the Aircraft trait. They were kinda redundant. I think I will leave Flight as a trait though because there will be units that Hover and can fly (VF Veritechs) and units that can Hover but can't fly (ATAC's).

Other than that NOTHING looks different other than how the cards are set up.

Jesus... There are way too many hand to hand options on that card.

Yeah, I gave them that exact feedback in May on the KS comments and their forums but it had no effect. I wonder if the crappy LOS rules were left the same as well.

When I tried them out, the only ones I chose were the stronger attacks. Which means the same set of attacks without adding much to HtH, prolonging it when it doesn't need to. It seems counter productive if trying to simulate the show. I get that they want to shoehorn elements of the RPG rules into this. Of coarse I'm unfamiliar with this rules set so I can't make a final call yet. But if I can play 40k I can play this. It does seem like it could make mass combat a chore to run.

What worries me is when the community starts modifying the rules and post them online like many have done with the 40k rules set, start to get cease-and-desist letters from PB.

PB doesn't have the resources that GW has, the CnD letters will probably end there, in letters. They haven't had that great of a track record when it comes to lawsuits.

It is sad, but I can already tell this is going to be something where fan based rules are going to rule the day.

On an unrelated note, the HtH attacks are something of a mystery to me. I've watched a crapton of robotech and macross in my time, and while there was hand to hand combat, it was not anywhere near the majority of it. Hell, if you ran a kill counter I'm pretty sure that missiles (or ship based particle weapons) were king in the show on both sides of the conflict.

I never understood the focus on HtH in the RPG, and I am extremely sad to see it get the kind of real estate it is getting on these cards. The assault phase in 40k (challenges aside) makes perfect sense to me, this however is just weird and probably bloated. I'm sure most people will just pick the option that does the most damage and go with that, assuming they even end up in hand to hand.

Good point. That's exactly how HtH went in my game. Just the most powerful attacks. Most of my game was spent in HtH. Not much flying around unfortunately. I can tell this game will require more LOS blocking terrain than regular 40k games.

This may seem like a stupid question, but if there's an interest in minimizing hand to hand, wouldn't it be more sensible to keep LOS blocking terrain down?

Obviously there should be some kind of cover to advance upon one another without simply having gunlines form and deliver broadsides until the dice turn against one side, but the denser terrain, the more likely combat is to occur at close quarters, right?

Anyway, count me among those with minimal interest in watching clusters of battlepods stomp and kick destroids to death. I'm fine with there being an option of last resort, but at least with the factions we currently have, I hope it doesn't become the (astoundingly simplistic) way in which the game can be broken.

I did think of the same thing Forar. Jsut about all of the battles at the Demos have been city fights so LOS is extremely short and HTH likelihood high. In my games I neve once got into HTH with my units. I think all the HTH options will be nice but used only rarely unless you use a purely urban terrain. I even shrunk my city by 1/3 and took out a bunch of hills after the first or second battle to open things up a bit.

Guys come on guys, I play black templars! Of coarse I'm going to mix it up in HtH.lol

You can hit my Battlepod with your GU-11 on the head but I will still blow you in half with my guns

You're assuming that there isn't a penalty or restriction from shooting while in close combat which most games have.

The game hasn't come out and we already broke it. :p

The pre-release rules prohibit firing in HTH. Part of the reason the Battlepod swarm is effective I think the rules need to allow firing some weapons in HTH but with penalties.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
The game hasn't come out and we already broke it. :p

Oh, come now. The visible but invisible battlepods and valkyries crawling on their bellies broke the LOS rules in the game the day they were posted.

Awesome pic, I love it.