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 cincydooley wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
So, not to be a noob; but what is the release date now?

I want to pick up the models, but didn't get in ont he kickstarter.

If they're just showing that prototype, that means they haven't actually printed a single thing (not even a master) in China, which means at best estimate it's still at least 3 months out.

They're certainly still tinkering with the models as from the update comments

Kendachi about 15 hours ago

It looks like the front "eye" has no detail at all. Just a circle on a flat spot. Thought there would be some more curvature there.

and the response is

Creator Palladium Books about 15 hours ago

@Kendachi: We noticed that, too. It's in my notes for the manufacturer. The prototype Glaug has the detail, so we should be able to get it on there.

quite where the 3D design work is being done ?

so while they may be milling the final 3D steel tools as individual sculpts are approved I have a horrible feeling that they'll want to wait and do it all at once which could cause more delays

At this time they say it's end of feb. I believe it will be in April

 Balance wrote:
I think Shapeways-quality prints are fine to show progress is occurring. Use the lower-quality/lower-cost prints as 'drafts' to get the posing and proportion of minis right, as well as to test with actual play pieces, if the rules are picky about this.

Frankly if they wanna do my entire order up like this & send me the damned thing finally I'd be happy because at least I'd have something to show for my $ as opposed to propaganda.

You don't want their SW models. I have a two Russian jets in 1/285 and the tip of one fin has broken off and the missiles on the other have snapped off as well. I'd rather wait a bit longer for my models because plastic is so much better.

From the latest update...

We’re getting there. Not as quickly as any of us would like, but things are getting done. We don’t have any new delivery estimates yet, but yeah, at this point February is looking pretty unlikely. We will keep you updated when we learn more.

Palladium has finally and publicly come to the realization that many of us made about the Feb date the day they posted it. That's still progress as now they're only 1-2 months behind common sense which is a great improvement over the 6 month developmental delay they exhibited with the "Hey, October!" update. I agree with Forar's comment that April 1st as the "new" shifting goalpost works on several levels (of comedy) but it may not be realistic either. Getting the models finally in backer hands (the ultimate milestone in my book) seems like a May thing assuming that nothing else goes wrong from now on.

For those interested in the full sarcasm free update along with the support pod pics, feel free to click below.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/710828#comments

Yeah, the April 1st comment was purely for comedic sake. If they actually moved the project back just one month despite still not being ready for production yet, I'd probably laugh until I cried.

As I've been saying for a while now, my optimistic hope currently is Q2, with Q3 all the more likely, but with recognition that those who feel Q4/sometime in 2015 is more likely not being entirely pessimistic in their assertions either.

Basically, I remain minorly hopeful but am not holding my breath, nor would I put money down on it.

The guy pimping Palladium's grab bags as a possible source of Max/Miriya figures was worth a laugh though. Oh yeah, to thank PB for not giving me an opportunity to buy one during a convention (through the backer kit or online), I'll definitely have to reward them with another $50+ and a wishlist that'll consider of "Max and Miriya" and the hopes they might still have some around.

Totally a good idea.

I've had to stop checking the comments there, the white knighting is outrageous.
Has anyone asked why this wasn't done last year?

I just got home and found my grab bag. Wow! Out of the books that I asked for I was surprised I got the one item that was dead last on my 12+ list. There was a max figure in my box. I put it last on my list because I ran out of books that I wanted. Hell I didn't even expect to see it because I gave a long list of books I would have preferred instead. After all I have a lot of minis coming in. So on a lark I asked for Max an Miriya because outside of RT and dead reign and the phase world books, PB doesn't really have anything else that would interest me. It's a lot smaller than I expected.lol I'll try putting it together tommorow. I still didn't get the macross SB. That was second to the top of my list. So while I was pleasantly surprised. I was even more surprised I didn't get my top pick. So today when I saw the comment about ordering a grab bag to see if customers could get one, I laughed myself. Tho once I got home the joke was on me. I have one now so I might as well enjoy it till RRT finally ships out.

Congratulations on snagging a Max. Considering what they're going for on eBay, you essentially bought one of those and got the rest of the books/swag/etc for free.

 Forar wrote:
Congratulations on snagging a Max. Considering what they're going for on eBay, you essentially bought one of those and got the rest of the books/swag/etc for free.

I had the same thought too, and thanks.

Yeah, they seem to have paradoxically alot of the limited edition minis. I guess they made too many for a small con like the detroit one they went to... it sure would have been nice for them if they had instead sold them at $15 to the likely large portion of 5,000 dedicated robotech enthusiasts chomping at the bit to buy them... instead they made 200 or so IIRC for a convention that no one went to for Robotech or Palladium reasons. Don't get me wrong.. I'm glad that people are getting their minis (including myself) but the fact that they had so many leftovers that they made it to the *BOTTOM* of grab bag lists and still got fulfilled makes see that as justification that it was the WRONG idea.

I would be morbidly amused if the reason all the sculpts are suddenly showing up after long delays is because after they were delivered to Palladium in August, Siembieda decided they weren't good enough and from then until now and beyond has been sitting in his office with an Xacto knife "fixing" them to his liking and adding "DESIGNED BY KEVIN SIEMBIEDA" to the plastic slots.

I think it's more likely that he'll get the final rules and then heat up the stove and take out the glue pot to do some "editing". We'll end up with a hybrid d20 and percentile system with completely random rules like you can dodge 1, 2, or 3 missliles with no penalties but the 4th means you have no chance of avoiding any of them! Oh... crap.. we already have that one.

Ok I think I'm probably going to request a refund from PB or sell my pledge to someone else. There's other things I'd rather waste $ on. Frankly I feel like I was sold a movie, shown the first 5 pages of script and casting, and told that it just needed to be cleaned up but was ready to be shot. Then I find out that 5 pages was all that existed and by "talking to Brad Pitt" it meant they left him a voicemail and now that they got triple what they wanted to make the movie they've finally started writing more than that 5 pages but still have no cast lined up.

I have no love for PB but if anyone things that 95% of KS are going to be on time no matter what they say is foolish. Come on guys Its sucks big balls that's its not here and they should have said that out the gate but its how they do business. Its not honest and fair to the buyers, however it seems to be the norm. I said we would be our stuff in march/ april when it ended. Looks like I may be right. Seems par for the course with all the delays KS have. At least its not a coolmini product. Although it is getting to that point.

I said it would be an "Easter Gift" to me from the beginning.

I tried to promise myself not to get upset till then no-matter what they promise.

I will get the torch and pitchfork out around then and join the rest of you.

Got involved early enough to know how Kevin Works. Got to meet him face to face at Comicon North, pointed out the prior missed dates and told him my expectation for April and he said "highly unlikely". I thought he meant sooner... maybe it was later.

Half expecting them dropping the ball really bad and joining the infamous groups that have delivered nothing for over a year.

I DO agree with the split order scenario and them stupidly expecting their customers to pick up the cost, that is so their style (we are a poor small publisher after all).

There may be good odds of them needing to do a retail fill and thinking they already have their backer's money so the untapped funds get priority (faced this with pre-order with Chapters so good enough for them, good enough for PB).

They miss April I will not do a kickstarter with them again, I will wait for retail and probably get it sooner and in the end cheaper by missing all their extra expenses. Their problem is they would interpret it as a lack of interest in the product rather than wary of their methods.

griffen127 wrote:
I have no love for PB but if anyone things that 95% of KS are going to be on time no matter what they say is foolish. Come on guys Its sucks big balls that's its not here and they should have said that out the gate but its how they do business. Its not honest and fair to the buyers, however it seems to be the norm. I said we would be our stuff in march/ april when it ended. Looks like I may be right. Seems par for the course with all the delays KS have. At least its not a coolmini product. Although it is getting to that point.

Man, you really beat the snot out of that strawman.

They created the project, and knew how far along they were, what was done, what needed work, and should at least have estimates on how long everything will take. It's on them to keep us informed, to let us know clearly what is being worked on, what is finished, and what snags might be holding things back.

Palladium's reputation of taking forever to release things was something that people were aware of and many backed despite what they knew. In part due to enthusiasm, in part due to Ninja Division talking a good talk during the campaign, among other reasons. This was their opportunity to change that reputation a bit, to show people they could be trusted with over a million dollars in advance money and to produce a quality miniature line in a timely fashion (on a timetable of their own settting).

They are the ones that set December as the target. They are the ones who doubled down on an early delivery long before they could've possibly known it might happen. They are the ones who have fallen back at least 2 months and will probably fall another 2-6+, depending on how pessimistic one is (or realistic, depending on ones perspective). They asked for money up front to finish something in 7 months when apparently they needed ~14.

If they'd just said a year in the first place we probably would've avoided a lot of (but not all) bitching and complaining. Might've even kept the funding numbers a bit lower, which would've made the project work more manageable, which probably would've been for the best all around.

I've seen bigger projects (in terms of backer numbers, funding, etc) deliver on time, and I've seen smaller ones fall far behind. Just because it's common doesn't make it right, or mean that people aren't allowed to be annoyed when a campaign fails in a similar fashion. Very few of us are surprised that it's delayed, but that doesn't mean we can't be disappointed all the same.

 Talizvar wrote:
I DO agree with the split order scenario and them stupidly expecting their customers to pick up the cost, that is so their style (we are a poor small publisher after all).

This would go over hilariously badly. After the pledge manager "shipping fix" (despite saying one could order multiple tiers without an increase in shipping during the campaign), asking for an extra dose of sweet, sweet shipping cash would cause comment rioting.

What's this about split shipping?

People have ventured that if they run into (further) massive delays, they could feasibly knock out one section (say just the base games), ship them, then do the rest and ship that.

Downside: it's expensive as frak and would be a massive manpower drain.

Upside: people actually start getting physical products before the game is half a year or more late.

The downside could potentially be offset if they required people to pitch in some extra cash to make it happen, but I imagine for many it'd be a hard sell.

Especially as USPS rates are set to go up again soon.

And you know it will happen again in 2015 too.

That said, I'm gonna be honest here; if they said "look, toss us $20 and we'll eat the difference and ship you your base games in the next 2 months", I'd be tempted.

Though they'd probably still take 4 months minimum.

It'll never happen, but if we do get hit with another big (6 month'ish) delay, tossing in the YF-4s to the Battle Cry tier would go a long way towards assuaging some of my frustration.

But only until they tacked on a 7th month to cover making the YF-4s.

It'd be a vicious sword that would cut both ways.

The issue is they are not being very good at throwing any form of "freebie" our way to keep the wolves at bay.

Information, shipping options, added product, historically they are used to holding out their hat for donations not sending anything out to the customer that is extra.

This is a case of "they are doing it again" and they have done nothing to act otherwise.

I have had SO many people try to tack-on extra expenses to shipping treating it like an expected form of extra payment after a transaction it makes my blood boil.

Forar: are you able to point out where it was promised that no extra charges would happen if we ordered more? The supplier quality management in me is wanting to light them on fire for promises broken (contrary to agreed contract)...

On the front page under the FAQ they mention that one can back for multiples of the same tier, but doesn't say anything about S&H.

Not terribly convincing.

So I looked further.

(Apparently the person who asked this question has changed their name from Sonia to Khain)

Kain on May 9, 2013
I kno the questions about pledges are boring
But im wondering,if i want everything 3times can i pledge for sd and bc or is only one base possible
2times international shipping??

Creator Palladium Books on May 9, 2013
@Sonia
Yes you can. Pledge the amount for needed to cover all three + showdown's shipping cost. Choose showdown as the pledge you want. At the end we will send you the Kickstarter Survey and a Pledge Manager that you will use to tell us any additional add-ons you want (including pledges).
–Pledge Ninja

So during the campaign, it was just a matter of choosing the highest of the shipping costs. Then after the campaign had ended;

@Eddie - We noticed yesterday that the standard international shipping charge for the Reward Levels had been left off the Add-On versions of them, so those were added in to match the Reward Level versions. Sorry, just trying to cover part of the extra cost of international shipping.

So they re-ran the numbers and somebody presumably noticed that they were going to be sending like 20 boxes to one guy in the US for free, and at least 8 boxes to some Canadian jerk for only $50, and were all "woah woah woah, someone's gotta pay for these things... so about them Canadians..." and suddenly it went from "oh, just the highest" to "each tier!" which led to some serious wonkiness, where it cost more to ship 3 Battle Cry boxes than 4 (BC S&H was $30, SD S&H was $50, Reckless is also $50, so 3 boxes was $80 to ship, but 4 boxes was only $50... *facepalm*).

 Forar wrote:
where it cost more to ship 3 Battle Cry boxes than 4 (BC S&H was $30, SD S&H was $50, Reckless is also $50, so 3 boxes was $80 to ship, but 4 boxes was only $50... *facepalm*).

Since I only lurk in this thread because of my interest in the BattleTech Unseen (and ultimately passed on the KS due to PB's reputation)...is it crass of me to come in and say "Well obviously they could dodge giving the consumer a break on up to three S&H missiles, but couldn't dodge the 4th?"

... Well. fething. Done. Sir.

Wow.

Wooooooooooow.

*begins slow clap*

I agree with some of the stuff they've said. I have also agreed with the stuff the non defenders have said. In fact I've been critical of PB since they let October/November slip. As to the comment about the great quality of PB products I had to laugh at that one. Yes the covers to some of their books is great but once you open the book and look at the interior art... Well that's a different matter entirely. A lot of it looks very ameturish. I swear it's like PB hired art school rejects that weren't good enough for an art scholarship. This isn't true of all of them but now I see what Forar was talking about, when it comes to PB's "artist".

It's sad really when I see the zealotry of the fandom. It's too many of those guys that keep the community from growing. Instead to me, these guys want to live in nostalgia and pretend their back in their teens when most of them (like me) were socialy awkward. Yes I've waited since the 80's for this game and yes many of us are patient when it comes to the release of RRT. But to continually act like there's nothing wrong with way PB has handled the ks since it ended is silly. Could some of us learn to be more patient? Yes. Could the white knights be less zealous? Heck yes!

And yeah, speaking of the white knights, I really should stop engaging that one guy.

He has flat out admitted he thinks Palladium's rpg systems are flawless, and sees any statements indicating that people have issues with it as some sort of personal affront.

Kickstarter needs many things, but first and foremost, I would absolutely love an ignore feature.

 Forar wrote:
And yeah, speaking of the white knights, I really should stop engaging that one guy.

He has flat out admitted he thinks Palladium's rpg systems are flawless, and sees any statements indicating that people have issues with it as some sort of personal affront.

Kickstarter needs many things, but first and foremost, I would absolutely love an ignore feature.

Like the one palladium has? It's custom!

 warboss wrote:

 Forar wrote:
And yeah, speaking of the white knights, I really should stop engaging that one guy.

He has flat out admitted he thinks Palladium's rpg systems are flawless, and sees any statements indicating that people have issues with it as some sort of personal affront.

Kickstarter needs many things, but first and foremost, I would absolutely love an ignore feature.

Like the one palladium has? It's custom!

Zing!