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A few of us were joking around about making some Star Wars X-Wing stats for Tactics since I've been told the scales are the same. Here are the Ties, Interceptors, and Avengers stat cards. Input is welcome since I don't have the X-wing minis game and the stats are based off of the old Tie Fighter Video games.

Also has a spreadsheet with the other units like the X-wing. I just don't have stat cards for them yet in my google drive.
https://drive.google.com/folderview…

These should be pinned in the FB group.

I was happy to see the latest update. The dice look pretty cool. I am glad the symbols are on the sixes.

So, is anyone ITT but me going to Gencon? I'm gonna try to stop by their booth and pester them, but can't make any promises about if I have the time.

 Platuan4th wrote:
So, is anyone ITT but me going to Gencon? I'm gonna try to stop by their booth and pester them, but can't make any promises about if I have the time.

If you're going, can I send you some funds to stop by the Mercs booth and buy their promo mini if they have one after you pester PB?

 Platuan4th wrote:
So, is anyone ITT but me going to Gencon? I'm gonna try to stop by their booth and pester them, but can't make any promises about if I have the time.

I'm going!

And what do you mean, I figured we'd have some stuff by then!?

I am going to GenCon as well.

I wonder if they'll have boxed Battlecry boxes there before KS backers get them. If so, you'll be seeing me grab two and go "Thanks! I backed at Showdown level, mark me off as I got my pledge" nah, j/k.. maybe.

Just core boxes and 6 expansions, 3 per faction. Definitely not full Battlecrys, that's for sure.

Mike1975 wrote:
A few of us were joking around about making some Star Wars X-Wing stats for Tactics since I've been told the scales are the same. Here are the Ties, Interceptors, and Avengers stat cards. Input is welcome since I don't have the X-wing minis game and the stats are based off of the old Tie Fighter Video games.

Also has a spreadsheet with the other units like the X-wing. I just don't have stat cards for them yet in my google drive.
https://drive.google.com/folderview…

As a Star Wars fan, I'm aghast that you don't have life is cheap on the TIE fighters as they are the epitome of that rule! I strongly suspect rebel symphathies are the culprit and am passing on the appropriate information if this doesn't get changed to the local intelligence services!



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Mike1975 wrote:
Sorry if I missed this earlier. FPA has Hover, Flight, and Focus Fire.

No worries, thanks for answering. Out of curosity, how does the hover -1 penalty interact with the always hit on 6 rule (assuming that is still in)? Does it change the roll to a 5 or does the auto-hit 6 roll take precedence like in D&D where a nat 20 hits even with a -10 to the roll?


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fruitlewps wrote:
I am going to GenCon as well.

I wonder if they'll have boxed Battlecry boxes there before KS backers get them. If so, you'll be seeing me grab two and go "Thanks! I backed at Showdown level, mark me off as I got my pledge" nah, j/k.. maybe.

That would be the only thing about selling them at Gencon that would make me happy. I don't begrudge fellow pledgers picking up their stuff early in person but I'm not happy with the likilihood of them selling stuff I have no chance for weeks later getting to people who didn't pledge. I'll admit that selling direct to customers at gencon doesn't break the letter of their "pledgers before distributors" promise but it bends the spirit of it over its knee and wails on it with a bamboo stick.

 warboss wrote:

Mike1975 wrote:
A few of us were joking around about making some Star Wars X-Wing stats for Tactics since I've been told the scales are the same. Here are the Ties, Interceptors, and Avengers stat cards. Input is welcome since I don't have the X-wing minis game and the stats are based off of the old Tie Fighter Video games.

Also has a spreadsheet with the other units like the X-wing. I just don't have stat cards for them yet in my google drive.
https://drive.google.com/folderview…

As a Star Wars fan, I'm aghast that you don't have life is cheap on the TIE fighters as they are the epitome of that rule! I strongly suspect rebel symphathies are the culprit and am passing on the appropriate information if this doesn't get changed to the local intelligence services!

We are trying to figure that out since if Tie Fighters and Interceptors have life is cheap....who do we give the ability to call in reinforcements to. We were thinking. Tyderian shuttle?

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Mike1975 wrote:
Sorry if I missed this earlier. FPA has Hover, Flight, and Focus Fire.

No worries, thanks for answering. Out of curosity, how does the hover -1 penalty interact with the always hit on 6 rule (assuming that is still in)? Does it change the roll to a 5 or does the auto-hit 6 roll take precedence like in D&D where a nat 20 hits even with a -10 to the roll?


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fruitlewps wrote:
I am going to GenCon as well.

I wonder if they'll have boxed Battlecry boxes there before KS backers get them. If so, you'll be seeing me grab two and go "Thanks! I backed at Showdown level, mark me off as I got my pledge" nah, j/k.. maybe.

That would be the only thing about selling them at Gencon that would make me happy. I don't begrudge fellow pledgers picking up their stuff early in person but I'm not happy with the likilihood of them selling stuff I have no chance for weeks later getting to people who didn't pledge. I'll admit that selling direct to customers at gencon doesn't break the letter of their "pledgers before distributors" promise but it bends the spirit of it over its knee and wails on it with a bamboo stick.

I used to think GW was bad but compared to PB, GW is the better of the two. Sure I'll never get my plastic T hawk but it beats having subpar models with a game that comes with a dwindling fanbase.

@mike: I'd say the TIE advanced is the glaug equivalent seeing as how the only leader to a tie squadron we have seen is Vader in his fighter in ANH.

Any thoughts on the natural 6 always hits versus hover?

The -1 to hover does not change the 6 is a natural hit. Sorry that last post was from my cell and when I went back to fix it the site was down. I also have more FFG Xwing stuff to post later

Forar wrote:

fruitlewps wrote:I am going to GenCon as well.

I wonder if they'll have boxed Battlecry boxes there before KS backers get them. If so, you'll be seeing me grab two and go "Thanks! I backed at Showdown level, mark me off as I got my pledge" nah, j/k.. maybe.

Just core boxes and 6 expansions, 3 per faction. Definitely not full Battlecrys, that's for sure.

Well, that's easy fixed then. It's two First Contacts, 2 P/S Destroid Boxes, 4 Valkyrie Wing Boxes, 2 ZCommand Boxes, 2 ZArty Boxes, and 4 Regult Boxes.
"That'll be $709.20, plus tax. Cash or Credit?"
"Yeah, just take it off my tab."

I'm weighing up the two options (assuming I still can't get a refund). I can try to do the above, then literally sell the boxes (bundled as BC's) at half price right there. Or I can take the other approach, and because PB said "screw you" on the refund, I screw them on shipping. Cause it's gonna hurt.

warboss wrote:That would be the only thing about selling them at Gencon that would make me happy. I don't begrudge fellow pledgers picking up their stuff early in person but I'm not happy with the likilihood of them selling stuff I have no chance for weeks later getting to people who didn't pledge. I'll admit that selling direct to customers at gencon doesn't break the letter of their "pledgers before distributors" promise but it bends the spirit of it over its knee and wails on it with a bamboo stick.

They do seem to have hedged their bets, and they never responded to questions about it. The only reference I saw when searching the Updates for 'retail' and 'distrib' was
"We are still shooting for a December ship date, but we don’t know yet if that’s a sure thing. What we do know is that Kickstarter backers will be shipped goods BEFORE we ship to distributors." Update 113, Sep 26 last year.

This one is arguably breaking the letter of the statement.
"Note: Kickstarter orders will ship before Palladium sends any product to distributors for retail distribution. We appreciate your support, and you will get the product before it goes to retail." Update 116, Nov 2nd, It'd be retail distribution, but they're technically not sending the products to 'distributors' in the clinical sense, though it could be argued they're acting as self distributors at GC.

But then there's this one, which is most definitely breaking the letter of the law.
"In the end, you, our Kickstarter supporters, will be the first to receive a wonderful product that we hope will make you grin and provide endless hours of enjoyment. ". Update 125, Jan 10th. I can't see how they can lawyer-weasel out of that one. Can't even blame it on Wayne, as the entire post was apparently written by Kevin.

Morgan keep those handy, so when daddy SIEMBIEDA tells us to stfu peasants we'er selling at GC before you get yours. We can throw it in his face.

Mike1975 wrote:
The -1 to hover does not change the 6 is a natural hit. Sorry that last post was from my cell and when I went back to fix it the site was down. I also have more FFG Xwing stuff to post later

Thanks for the clarification. My comment (after rereading it) may not be clear above and I was referring to the TIE adv calling in life is cheap reinforcements.

I had a similar thought but was thinking about other alternatives.

 Salacious Greed wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
So, is anyone ITT but me going to Gencon? I'm gonna try to stop by their booth and pester them, but can't make any promises about if I have the time.

If you're going, can I send you some funds to stop by the Mercs booth and buy their promo mini if they have one after you pester PB?

I can try, but you'll need to remind me.

Also, I should really start making a list for who I'm Ninja shopping for...

@Mike: I'm trying to figure out how even of a fight you can have between a stock QRau and a VF-1J. IIRC, you said months ago that the Qrau has a defense of 6 whereas the VF-1 is 5/5/6. Additionally, the VF-1 only has the hover rule in Guardian mode whereas it is always in effect from what you said on the QRau. I'm not sure if the VF-1J still gets boosted stats beyond command points but IIRC gunnery was boosted but I'm not sure about defense. It does (at least with my limited knowledge) seem to make the Qrau hard to hit.

 warboss wrote:
@Mike: I'm trying to figure out how even of a fight you can have between a stock QRau and a VF-1J. IIRC, you said months ago that the Qrau has a defense of 6 whereas the VF-1 is 5/5/6. Additionally, the VF-1 only has the hover rule in Guardian mode whereas it is always in effect from what you said on the QRau. I'm not sure if the VF-1J still gets boosted stats beyond command points but IIRC gunnery was boosted but I'm not sure about defense. It does (at least with my limited knowledge) seem to make the Qrau hard to hit.

This should help. A typical VF-1J is still outclassed in many aspects by the Q-Rau but has 2 advantages, missiles and missile ranges are longer, it also has AM, where the Q-Rau has to use missiles to defend itself, and the GU-11 has more firepower. The Q-Rau shoots 8 missile volleys and is more apt to arrive at the 4 misssile hits no dodge rule though and also the arm cannons have inescapable. VF-1J have +1 GN and +1 PIL over a standard VF-1A. I'd give advantage to the Q-Rau unless the VF-1J has a better pilot.

Thanks for posting the cards. It does look like an interesting matchup although to be fair you'd likely have to add a VF-1S to the valkyries to even up the cost and command points. It seems in WW2 terms that the Qrau is a Zero that needs/likes to get in close and dogfight whereas the VFs are more like american fighters that strafe and have a big advantage at range due to firepower.

Adding this and they'll be close to equal.....

Just about, and enough points left over to snag either Gravity Bombs on the 1S, or Air Wing Nose Lasers (?) on all 5.

5 on 3, within 1 point of each other.

BAM.

... oh, or a 6 point character for the RDF! I hear Rick works cheap! (or he did when we saw the old rules at least, Mike has him beefed up from 5 points to 10, as I recall).

Keep in mind that these points are based off of what I recommended to PB and may not be the final point costs of the units.

Eh? You've gone on at length about how super accurate and good (possibly better) your rules are, so until they bother to bring us up to speed, that's what we have to work with.

It's been something you've emphasized for months. A little late to walk it back now.

If nothing else, according to the last force organization charts we were sent, 3 FPA are... oh, 100 points. Which means taking 1 VT squad with 20 points left over; a character and/or another and/or some upgrades.

But, I mean, gotta go with what we've heard, and you're the man with the more up to date info!

 Forar wrote:
Eh? You've gone on at length about how super accurate and good (possibly better) your rules are, so until they bother to bring us up to speed, that's what we have to work with.

It's been something you've emphasized for months. A little late to walk it back now.

If nothing else, according to the last force organization charts we were sent, 3 FPA are... oh, 100 points. Which means taking 1 VT squad with 20 points left over; a character and/or another and/or some upgrades.

But, I mean, gotta go with what we've heard, and you're the man with the more up to date info!

I recommended some points changes. My psychic ability on whether they were adopted or not is limited. The points costs are based off of what I came up with when I made my own spreadsheet. Unless I get an update with something new this is as close as you are going to get. If you want look up the old points and use them. As always, if I get an update that I can share, I will.

The fact that they won't release their rules shows how ignorant they are in regards to miniature games vs RPGs. In RPgs, your rules and setting are what make you money. In miniatures, it's the miniatures.

I think this is just another example of how Palladium (Kevin) doesn't understand what he's doing.

vitae_drinker wrote:
I think this is just another example of how Palladium (Kevin) doesn't understand what he's doing.

To be fair, they're in the same boat on the RPG side and that has been their bread and butter for 30+ years. Oh, wait...

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vV05jTTFGc2s1cms&usp=sharing

Link to Star Wars fighter stat cards converted using stats from Tie Fighter video game. Includes X-Wing, A-Wing, Y-Wing, B-Wing, Tie Fighter, Tie Interceptor, Tie Bomber, and Tie Avenger. I'll add more down the line. Feel free to suggest changes or request a unit. Takes around 20-25 minutes to make a card and figure out stats and costs.

Is anyone else annoyed at the inclusion of megadamage (mdc) terminology considering everything in the game is megadamage. It should have just been called damage in my mind.