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The dozen backers must have been fan friends since it's pb's backyard. Although I have a hard time believing it.

Some guy on pb Facebook page; and who ironically identified himself as a rabid fanboy, posted some photos of those awesome minis he saw. Guess what? They were photos of the painted ones ND were using along with the monster. No seams gate minis were shown in the pictures. GG Kevin. I guess that's how you sucker people into saying the minis are perfect.

 warboss wrote:
[..] recognizes the greatness of the mighty Kevin apparently. If you don't meet that criteria, you are forgotten about. Same thing with fans. If you worship at the altar of Siembieda then you're classified as a fan and worthy of giving feedback.

Sining wrote:
2. What does it matter? PB isn't going to listen to any form of criticism, whether it's soft or hard.

 paulson games wrote:
If you are within Kevin's trusted elite and flatter his ego you have his ear, but the second you provide anything but glowing reviews you are suspect of being in the camp of the enemy.
This isn't unique to robotech, it's been going on for years on their forums and with their own employees/writers/artists.
Honestly I'm surprised that by sending in the compiled questionnaire that you didn't get booted as any indication that they are doing less then perfect seems to provoke their fall back mode of ignore and engage information black out efforts.

Sining wrote:
If they can't take criticism and I'm referring even to those that aren't just personal slurs, then I really think that the problem is on their side and not the backers.!

 Cypher-xv wrote:
I notice the only time Kevin responds is on FB.

 warboss wrote:
Not all those folks who completely support the way this KS has been run are sycophants; some just chose to be woefully ignorant and chime in with their feelings oblivious of the facts. [..] (since we largely have no power beyond annoying palladium and creating bad press). Palladium has proven that they needed to be called on every mistake because they'll cheat more than a TFG in a tourney with no oversight if given the chance.
Unfortunately, you can't just assume Palladium has done their homework... Heck, you can't even just ask them if they did because they'll lie about it. You need to make them show you their homework to double check it is done... That unfortunately is the current (and unfortunately long standing) state of project management at this veteran (RPG) company with decades of work under their belts and [...] immature man-child manner of business.

 paulson games wrote:
But Palladium is not a new wet behind the ears company, they've been around for 30+ years so [..] they certainly shouldn't have to be learning the ropes on how to communicate with their customer base. They are "industry veterans" that have had (30) years to figure that out.
Playing phone tag sucks and in this day and age there's very little reason to do it, most of what (customers) need can be handled by emails, even if they aren't answered for a day or two it saves a lot of frustration and headache vs trying to pin somebody down on the phone for a simple answer.
When they announce they want to hit (12-13) books a year but deliver on (3), they are either seriously overestimating their ability, or if that estimate is to be believed then they have some serious internal time management issues they need to streamline, which is where a business consultant would be advisable to help figure out where the problems are occurring.

Joyboozer wrote:
Unhappy customers exist in every field, not just the World of Palladium, if they haven't learnt how to deal with that in a professional manner after this long...
While I appreciate your efforts on this game, [..] you can add me to the list of people ignored by Palladium despite polite communication, before the hate went too far in the comments. Palladium don't care.

 warboss wrote:
You're sadly underestimating the level of fail they've achieved. They hoped for 20+ in 2013... and got one of those planned books out. They did get two more done but one was supposed to be a 2012 title so was a year late post crowdfunding and the other unannounced one was barely a book at 48 pages. The new goal post fresh from the presses yesterday is 4-6 books this summer. I assume they're including the one that is currently at the printer that was crowdfunded in July 2012 and supposed to be out 2-3 months after that.

 Talizvar wrote:
The moments of admitting having "no idea" of progress at various points of the build with Kevin has made zero sense as much as the various statements of 98% completion and "mouth watering" results. Having met him I really think he is a narcissist (personal opinion and having worked with a few) and he will lie to himself quite readily so his opinion of progress is suspect.
The only anger I would have with this matter is allowing myself to think with other groups involved this project would be "different" than prior PB projects: it is not.
I hear the white knights getting all huffy with "be thankful the models of your dreams GET to be made". They had been out there for decades.
I figure that going into the new year I will find a way to cut my losses with them at whatever point we are at.
By the time things hit stores I suspect the momentum will be long gone.

 Salacious Greed wrote:
If the current trend of PB ineptness is as bad as it seems, I'm not sure they've secured print time. [..] PBs buffoonery knows no bounds...

Morgan Vening wrote:
And with retailers likely expecting to sell it without steep discounts, I'm skeptical it can recover.
Couple that with an apparent lack of organized/tourney support (there may be more going on behind the scenes, but I doubt it), and in my wildest dreams, I can't see this flying off the shelf.
But everyone at Penguicon loved it! Including "several dozen" Kickstarter backers who thought it was AMAZING! Yet not a single one that went out of their way to go to the convention, and talk to Kevin (so, obviously big fans) has commented on either the Kickstarter comments or the Palladium Forums about their experience, even just pointing out how they're not so horrible in person, let alone "delighted", "amazing" (the most common refrain) or "Perfect. They are absolutely perfect.”. Yeah, I wanna call bull-manure on that.

Even from just a single (1) page, this could absolutely apply to another game title I know of and worked with - there must be some sort of special management seminar for these folks to allow them to attain this level of epic "head in the sand" thinking.

And considering you can in truth quite often see better concern for customers these days from some guy who is happily producing his own title part-time in his basement, or by the disgusted ex-fans who have walked away from a title whose company now generates nothing except boneheaded shenanigans, just wow.
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Maybe it has to do with the big robot minis/rpg genre. Like the BESM general anime trope, we instead get big ego, small brain on the tabletop manufacturing side. Or it's me since they also have that in common. Anything I seemingly take an interest in cranks the hodor up to 11. :(

I've worked 20 years at jobs that have required doing sales and providing customer service. The key to doing well with both of those is listening to what the customer's needs are and doing what you can to see that those needs are met, even if you can't meet those needs you let them know that you've heard and understand their concerns. That's the cornerstone of building any type of business.



As much as I bash on GW corporate for making dumb choices their customer service staff is really damn good, and most of the local level managers have been excellent as well. They get the fact that retail is a people business and usually bend over backwards to make sure you are happy with your purchase and experience. (Some of the lower tier store employees may not have that same understanding but that can usually be expected from near minimum wage teenagers)

However when I look at the way PB deals with communication it often seems like they adopted their primary mode of operation from the pages of Dilbert.

 warboss wrote:
Maybe it has to do with the big robot minis/rpg genre. Like the BESM general anime trope, we instead get big ego, small brain on the tabletop manufacturing side. Or it's me since they also have that in common. Anything I seemingly take an interest in cranks the hodor up to 11. :(

Yeah, I know what you mean. Like that Mecha Front guy. What a tool.

Oh, hey Jon!

I thought I saw you saying there may be a delay beyond August for shipping (because of the unlocks), but I can't find it. Can you advise what the pushback will be? Or was it one of my fevered dreams?

If I were running a company that didn't want any sort of accountability with my customers I can see where not putting anything in writing via email or taking pictures would be helpful. Afterall they can't cite you with your own poorly chosen words or cross reference your facts if they never get them to start with. By resorting to phone conversations you simply say oh you misheard what I said and then apply new spin long enough until you can get them off the line.


Photos from the con were posted on FB, looks like the same low quality 3d prints that they've been using for the last year. Hardly what I call ::mouth watering:: or "perfect".

Whatever drugs Kevin is on I wish he'd start sharing as I could really use some rainbows and unicorns in my life.


The monster looks ok, the rest are pretty meh, I think the paint needs a bit more grit to it.

Just so... perfect.... I... can't.. hurrgh!

Morgan Vening wrote:

Oh, hey Jon!

I thought I saw you saying there may be a delay beyond August for shipping (because of the unlocks), but I can't find it. Can you advise what the pushback will be? Or was it one of my fevered dreams?

It's likely going to be Nov, due to all the extra stuff. The updated delivery time was posted in the updates, comments section and on the main page (several days in advance of the KS finishing) that way people would know what to expect prior to it closing, although there was part of me that wanted to keep everyone guessing in the dark like a certain other ks. I can always start ignoring my backers if it helps you feel more at home.

 paulson games wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:

Oh, hey Jon!

I thought I saw you saying there may be a delay beyond August for shipping (because of the unlocks), but I can't find it. Can you advise what the pushback will be? Or was it one of my fevered dreams?

It's likely going to be Nov, due to all the extra stuff. The updated delivery time was posted in the updates, comments section and on the main (page several days in advance of the KS finishing) that way people would know what to expect prior to it closeing, although there was part of me that wanted to keep everyone guessing in the dark like a certain other ks. I can always start ignoring my backers if it helps you feel more at home.

Love the GIF. May have to co-opt (ie, steal) it. Just wish it had some teeny tiny white knights dancing in the splash.

And yeah, silly me, I was looking at stuff POST end of close. Cause someone actually keeping people up to date BEFORE it's well past the chance to make the release date is all confusing and wrong. As is you responding to a direct question in person, within a couple of hours. You need to cut that crap out. If someone asks you a direct question, you have to wait 6+ weeks, and then have the answer passed through a quasi-official intermediary, or just fail to answer completely and marginalize the questioner as a vocal minority.

Back to the issue at hand, the Monster's got some pretty bad seams too. The leg ones don't seem horrible, but that could just be the shadows. But the problem ones are the one on the top back of the torso, one on the front, and I'm hoping that groove along the top of the arm is part of the design, because if not, waow.

I'm surprised they bothered with cap-pieces for the Glaug's arm pods. Given that would have been the best solution for the apparently much vaunted by Kevin Gnerls (I assume that's what he's referring to with "Fighter Pod"), that has the huge seam right up the middle of the cockpit. While I've been a significant critic of the parts count (hey, it's the main reason I want a refund), adding an extra part to the Gnerl to completely avoid that seam, seems like the right thing to do. I mean, if you're design principle is quality and accuracy, that is.

You know what I'm really looking forward to seeing? Khyron's Glaug. I'm really interested in seeing what lengths they're going to have to go to, to make the "open cockpit" variant that was promised in the campaign. The Miriya FPA isn't going to be as bad, cause it's just a head, no? But a fully rendered upper torso (at least) and cockpit controls, that fit into that space, given the apparent limitations of the design and production companies, that should be worth a serious giggle. Or do you think they'll do what they did with the Tomahawk/Defender, blow it off as too hard, then issue an incredibly vague statement in the comments section (not in an official Update) that if you squint, tilt your head just so, and punch yourself right between the eyes, will seem to absolve them of their promise, at least to the PB defenders?

Has anyone got any details of their correspondence outside of the KS updates regarding their plans for Gencon and the current non-status of production in China?

Stuff buried in the comments, facebook comments, etc. Ideally with the URLs?


Yes, I'm putting together the documentation for my chargeback at my bank's request. I'll be happy to pass all of it on to anyone else interested after I've finished it, with just my personal correspondence removed. To keep things simple, I'm not going for "quality" since that's something which is obviously a personal judgement (as Kevin keeps showing us with his "perfect" models) but the more quantitative things like rolling lies regarding delivery dates and just how finished things are(nt) since the "45 days" promise. I'm most interested in fake promises regarding Gencon and information that displays just how impossible a task that actually is.

thanks!


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The "maybe October or November" post would be great as well.

Also the "May, maybe June" and "June, maybe July" posts.

 warboss wrote:
That isn't unfortunately how Palladium is run. I doubt that fact escapes Mike but he is walking a fine line between the fans and the company so lets cut him some slack.

And I do so more because of what their reputation is. I might be able to push PB much more than I have been but with their reputation I'm not sure that it is a good idea to try. I wish I knew exactly how far I could push this line. I'd ride it every day.

http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=667:palladium-booksr-weekly-update-may-21-2013&catid=52:weekly-updates&Itemid=183

"The Kickstarter is done, now it’s time to get the Robotech® RPG Tactics™ game, sculptures, graphics, packaging and all the rest completely finished over the next few weeks. Then we send it into manufacturing overseas. With any luck, we’ll have Kickstarter materials shipping to you by October or November (no promises) and the retail product hitting store shelves by November or December. We do not have a release schedule yet, but I’ll let you know when we do; probably in a few weeks."

http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=707:special-robotechr-rpg-tactics-update-january-30-2014&catid=52:weekly-updates&Itemid=183

"Release Dates: Ships in early June to Kickstarter supporters. Ships a few weeks later to distributors. Should be in your hands no later than June and in stores by the beginning of July, 2014."

Mar 18 2014 on Update #135: Spartan Followup from the project Robotech® RPG Tactics™.

" We're sorry about the delay in delivering the rewards for this project, but it is coming, and soon. There is no question about whether we will deliver. If something were to happen that would cause us to be unable to deliver, we would, of course, offer refunds as Kickstarter's terms dictate. But that is not the case here; not even close. We'll deliver as promised, as soon as we can. Wave One will deliver in June or July, as we've said before. Wave Two by the end of the year, hopefully well before."

I think the "June, maybe May" was part of the front page of their site RRT press release, which they've simply been updating every so often. Possibly could be found with the waybackmachine or another such service.

If you search Morgan's posts, he has the backsliding release dates covered pretty well. Basically, around a month or so before the date they'd bump it back another couple months.

Update 128 on Jan 30th is where they finally admit to going with 2 waves of shipping. It took them 8 months to realize they couldn't deliver the whole project at once and tell us about it.

http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=651:prepare-for-invasion&catid=53:product-features

"Barring any unexpected delays, the Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Box Game and initial expansion sets should go to manufacturing within 45 after the Kickstarter. That’s fast. An exact street date is unknown at this time and we’d rather not speculate, but definitely 2013."

Joyboozer wrote:
Sorry Mike, I disagree with you completely. A competent project manager would have taken this whole mess, come up with a plan of action and implemented it.
Unhappy customers exist in every field, not just the World of Palladium, if they haven't learnt how to deal with that in a professional manner after this long...
While I appreciate your efforts on this game, you've just turned to "victim bashing", there was nothing the backers could do to influence this project once the funding was collected, you can add me to the list of people ignored by Palladium despite polite communication, before the hate went too far in the comments. Palladium don't care.

On one point I agree with you and have from the start. PB should have hired a PM and a PR manager for this. I'm working on a Masters and I've taken a lot of PM classes and did not need that to see the GLARING mistakes that PB has and is making. That being said, the 10 questions have helped some, PB has realized on a very small level that they need to work to improve and have made steps. Those steps are far from adequate but at least it is something. If not for the community coming together some that would never have been possible.

I have been able to also share some insights on rules and influence some clarifications and have been able to write a detailed review and will write more. If one decides to read those reviews with care they will be able to fully understand the rules and how they work before even playing. Do I wish this was necessary? Hell No! It's a lot of work.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vV05jTTFGc2s1cms&usp=sharing


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 Talizvar wrote:
It is a fact I was lied to on the readiness of PB going to manufacture and more pointedly when we were able to order more models with the backer kit.

It is a fact at this moment I have no information of the state of readiness for each element that makes up "wave 1".

After the release of "wave 1" I think I have few means to put pressure on PB to get the rest of the models to me in the next two years (or possibly ever).

The moments of admitting having "no idea" of progress at various points of the build with Kevin has made zero sense as much as the various statements of 98% completion and "mouth watering" results. Having met him I really think he is a narcissist (personal opinion and having worked with a few) and he will lie to himself quite readily so his opinion of progress is suspect.

This is as stated, a well known process done for well over 3 decades where expert estimation and planning is readily available for injection molding.

There are model kits of the self-same models they are trying to make already in the marketplace for reference.

I have a fairly good understanding of design and manufacture and some experience with managing Chinese manufacturing. I really see no excuse especially with money in hand for PB to not have their facts in order or to at least get a good answer from the experts..

The only anger I would have with this matter is allowing myself to think with other groups involved this project would be "different" than prior PB projects: it is not.

I hear the white knights getting all huffy with "be thankful the models of your dreams GET to be made". They had been out there for decades. But now you can play them with rules! It was called Battletech.

I figure that going into the new year I will find a way to cut my losses with them at whatever point we are at. If it goes into summer of next year does anyone think that is more than adequate to say this kickstarter was not fulfilled?

By the time things hit stores I suspect the momentum will be long gone.

They did lie or rather by not clarifying immediately allowed a lie to continue. They should have realized from the start that things would not be done because of all of their extra promises and just like Obama, instead of coming clean they doubled down on what they had said. Very sad. If they had been up front we would have been better off. Then with all the extra $ that came in they decided to redesign everything and went from 2x as bad to 4x. I'm not sure who's decision it was to go with the Models and not the MInis, I suspect HG and PB supported that and shafted ND, that is when the break appeared to start. I'm hopeful that I can still have some decent looking minis at the end of the day. At least I only paid ~$2 each. For me that might be a lot less of a hurt than for many others so I feel for others when they get upset, they have reason to be.

What does annoy me are baseless and foundationless claims that come out that are not even borderline ridiculous. For the most part those who make those wild claims have not listened to me as much as I had hoped about how the claims can make them look foolish. As I predicted they have not gained nearly as much ground as they had hoped. Well founded claims made with a stern demeanor but without the fluff and name calling and outright hate would have gotten much more traction. I'm not sure if we are better off one way or the other but the facts speak for themselves. Do I want PB to fail? meh, Do I want Tactics to fail? No way! Unfortunately right now they are one and the same.


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 stanman wrote:
If I were running a company that didn't want any sort of accountability with my customers I can see where not putting anything in writing via email or taking pictures would be helpful. Afterall they can't cite you with your own poorly chosen words or cross reference your facts if they never get them to start with. By resorting to phone conversations you simply say oh you misheard what I said and then apply new spin long enough until you can get them off the line.


Photos from the con were posted on FB, looks like the same low quality 3d prints that they've been using for the last year. Hardly what I call ::mouth watering:: or "perfect".

Whatever drugs Kevin is on I wish he'd start sharing as I could really use some rainbows and unicorns in my life.


The monster looks ok, the rest are pretty meh, I think the paint needs a bit more grit to it.

That Monster looks Identical to the old 1980's one I bought from Jon a while back. Same seams on the feet and all.

The Glaug looks good.

Both veritechs are the original ones, I don't think either is based off of what we'll get.

Mike1975 wrote:
What does annoy me are baseless and foundationless claims that come out that are not even borderline ridiculous. For the most part those who make those wild claims have not listened to me as much as I had hoped about how the claims can make them look foolish. As I predicted they have not gained nearly as much ground as they had hoped.

Well founded claims made with a stern demeanor but without the fluff and name calling and outright hate would have gotten much more traction. I'm not sure if we are better off one way or the other but the facts speak for themselves. Do I want PB to fail? meh, Do I want Tactics to fail? No way! Unfortunately right now they are one and the same.

I don't follow the ks comments too much, so I was wondering what some of the baseless claims are? I know there's a lot made up flak going around, but when people don't cite specific posts it does get confusing when blanket posts are made as it's hard to distinguish which ones you are actually taking aim at.

A lot of my posts get written off by the fan boys simply because I me and they assume I'm just in a haters camp, I can be very critical at times but I still want to see the best outcome for the game and models. (Could care less about what happens to PB though). With a group of pro-PB white knight posters who automatically rail against anything I post sometimes it's hard to tell if I'm being heard for what I'm trying to say or if people just see it as hating.

That Monster looks Identical to the old 1980's one I bought from Jon a while back. Same seams on the feet and all.

The Glaug looks good.

Both veritechs are the original ones, I don't think either is based off of what we'll get.

I think the parts break down on pretty much all the models match the 80's Nichimo kits, which obviously works but there's a couple spots where it causes issues due to the reduced scale. Also a few areas on these models could have been approached much better, for example the face plate on the glaug is split down the center, cleaning and filling round surfaces like the eye lens is complete suckage. I believe on the larger scale glaug models the face plate is one piece, and works much like the end caps on the arm guns. Since all of the detail appears to be entirely on the front of the face I don't understand why they split it down the middle. Rotate the piece 90 degrees and have the mold line run at the rear edge of the face plate so it doesn't gum up the face detail.

The Spartan missile doors are in the same category, the detail is all on the face so they could have situated it in the mold as one piece with the mold line running down the sides of the door instead of the faces.

Instead of mold lines which are easy to scrape off we now have seem lines running straight over detailed surfaces. (Seem lines also being much more difficult to work with).

IMO it looks like they followed all the 80's kits almost exactly but for whatever reason split some of the pieces that didn't need to be split and unfortunately those are on focal areas of the model. (The heads and chests) I really don't get why some of the parts aren't just solid shot pieces more like the z pod legs, it would add to the durability, lower the part count, and make assembly much better. Some of the pieces do need to be split to get the detail on the correct facings but not all of them need to be parted like that.

It doesn't kill the model in terms of use, but there are a number of needless complications in the designs.

So far the Zentraedi stuff has been looking the best, the destroids and veritechs not so much.

 paulson games wrote:

Mike1975 wrote:
What does annoy me are baseless and foundationless claims that come out that are not even borderline ridiculous. For the most part those who make those wild claims have not listened to me as much as I had hoped about how the claims can make them look foolish. As I predicted they have not gained nearly as much ground as they had hoped.

Well founded claims made with a stern demeanor but without the fluff and name calling and outright hate would have gotten much more traction. I'm not sure if we are better off one way or the other but the facts speak for themselves. Do I want PB to fail? meh, Do I want Tactics to fail? No way! Unfortunately right now they are one and the same.

I don't follow the ks comments too much, so I was wondering what some of the baseless claims are? I know there's a lot made up flak going around, but when people don't cite specific posts it does get confusing when blanket posts are made as it's hard to distinguish which ones you are actually taking aim at.

A lot of my posts get written off by the fan boys simply because I me and they assume I'm just in a haters camp, I can be very critical at times but I still want to see the best outcome for the game and models. (Could care less about what happens to PB though). With a group of pro-PB white knight posters who automatically rail against anything I post sometimes it's hard to tell if I'm being heard for what I'm trying to say or if people just see it as hating.

That Monster looks Identical to the old 1980's one I bought from Jon a while back. Same seams on the feet and all.

The Glaug looks good.

Both veritechs are the original ones, I don't think either is based off of what we'll get.

I think the parts break down on pretty much all the models match the 80's Nichimo kits, which obviously works but there's a couple spots where it causes issues due to the reduced scale. Also a few areas could have been approached much better, for example the face plate on the glaug is split down the center and cleaning and filling round surfaces is the complete suck. I believe on the larger scale glaug models the face plate is one piece, and works much like the caps on the arm guns. Since all of the detail appears to be entirely on the front of the face I don't understand why they split it down the middle.

The Spartan missile doors are in the same category, the detail is all on the face so they could have situated it in the mold as one piece with the part down running down the sides of the door instead of the faces.

IMO it looks like they followed all the 80's kits almost exactly but for whatever reason split some of the pieces that didn't need to be split and unfortunately those are on focal areas of the model. (The heads and chests) I really don't get why some of the parts aren't just solid shot pieces more like the z pod legs, it would add to the durability, lower the part count, and make assembly much better. Some of the pieces do need to be split to get the detail on the correct facings but not all of them need to be parted like that.

It doesn't kill the model in terms of use, but there are a number of needless complications in the designs.

I don't think I've noticed any of your posts specifically, I purposely made it vague as to not point out 3 or 4 individuals that are the most common culprits. Saying things like PB has never had any intention to supply product, blantantly lied to gain more backers and others are just plain untrue. I can go and look for them but there is no real point. That they have not been as up front, definitely, but there are some accusations that have definitely died out quite a bit and I feel no reason to bring them back up. People buying houses etc. I'm not one to hold a grudge so I don't typically categorize and file these things away in memory to use at a later date. It does however remain on my mind when communicating with those individuals, especially those who are very quick to put down others when they bring up good points or simply drop the bad points that they make and do not apologize at all. Character shows and I do take note quite well of the level and greatness of character in others. Yours to date has been quite fair and level headed, I'm sorry if you felt that I may have implied you specifically.

I didn't really take it that way, but with so many posts especially on the KS comments and FB page it does get confusing when you vent here when something occurs on a different forum. I freely admit there's times where I toss out some mean spirited jabs in regards to the ks but I think they've earned them.

FB was getting very weird as I finally gave up and blocked several people then I was only seeing partial comments and that's even worse. Got really tired of the constant white knights comments even when stuff has absolutely nothing to do with robotech. Not everyone that disagrees with KS/PB is out to burn their houses down, yet they react that way. At even the slightest suggestion you dislike an aspect of what's happening (minor aspects, not the whole project) they freak out like you're a heretic or doomsaying witch. I dropped from the FB page as I'm just tired of the Cult of Kevin inductees that are on there and take up objections to everything, thank god I steer clear of the ks page or forums as I know it's so much worse on those.

Thanks Forar. Got everything I need. Now let's see what happens!

So with the first Demo basically done, I was waiting to see if anyone wanted me to play it out to the death, but seems like nobody was interested or nobody read the write up. The next combat is between 4 Armored VT's and 12 Regults, a Scout, and a Glaug. The Armored VT's can take a massive pounding at 22 points and fire massive volleys of 8 missiles.

The UEDF can try to stay close and just unleash missiles at anything that comes into range hoping to destroy it. They are ...slow but can fly so staying inside or around cover and waiting for the Zen to approach might be to their advantage. They definitely need to draw the Zentraedi away from their deployment zone and kill the scout and Glaug. The Scout will make it difficult to take advantage of the missiles since it allows the Zen player to give his units a +1 strike bonus and gives a -1 strike bonus to enemies. This makes it easier for the other pods to Dodge missiles since the VT attack rolls will be lower.

The Zentraedi can either bunch up around the scout and Glaug OR they can try to split into groups and flank the VT's since they are so much faster. The Regult's weapons have the same range as the missiles for the VT's so they have to get into missile range to attack. The VT's on the other hand have a slight range advantage with the GU-11 and it's 24 inch range. The Glaug's top cannon has more Range than the Regults. It might be ideal to use some mobility to try to split up the VT's.

What details would you like to know on these units and what strategy do you think that they should employ?

Mike - I am interested in your write up and am (slowly, on a phone, on a train) reading it. No strong desire for you to play out more than you want but I do appreciate all the effort you're going to.

People can also find me in the Northwest Suburbs of Chicago, IL.

RRT news

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/28554.html

For those that can't be bothered to click through, here's the pertinent point (which should in no way surprise anyone at all).

"Palladium Books has delayed the release date for Robotech RPG Tactics another month, with the highly anticipated miniatures game now projected for "an end of July or August ship date."

Note, far as I'm aware this is specifically referring to retail.

We'll need to wait for our own special "backers delivery gets pushed back officially too!" message, presumably this week in the newsletter or maybe the biweekly update that is supposed to be weekly but whatever.

 Forar wrote:
For those that can't be bothered to click through, here's the pertinent point (which should in no way surprise anyone at all).

"Palladium Books has delayed the release date for Robotech RPG Tactics another month, with the highly anticipated miniatures game now projected for "an end of July or August ship date."

Note, far as I'm aware this is specifically referring to retail.

We'll need to wait for our own special "backers delivery gets pushed back officially too!" message, presumably this week in the newsletter or maybe the biweekly update that is supposed to be weekly but whatever.

According to the poll on the official forum, it should surprise at least one very gullible person.

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=143313

Thanks for that Warboss. I really was in a foul mood earlier, and that brightened my day considerably.

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Personally, I don't give a when wave 1 arrives. I have nothing in it. I only went in for the SDF-1, and the special characters as I am a modeller more than a gamer and, well, nostalgia. So I am just hoping I have my minis by the time I retire. In 7422 days.

Honestly, even we don’t fully understand why manufacturing has been delayed for so long. Much of it has been completely out of our hands," they said in a new trade solicitation. "Like you, we assume they are doing everything in their power to make this the best product possible and to get Robotech RPG Tactics to market as quickly as possible. Apparently, there were delays and problems getting the molds broken down into sprues and done right. But we’re moving forward again, and all components are looking gorgeous."

It's one thing that they threw ND under the buss when talking to the backers, but repeating that same thing in a trade solicitation? That's just low. "We have no idea whats going on, but we're mostly sure it's not our fault. Not that there's anything wrong. Everything's GORGEOUS" Jazz Hands

They really come off as incompetent finger pointers. Who would ever want to partner with these guys ever again?

There isn't enough face palm for this.

 CaulynDarr wrote:

Honestly, even we don’t fully understand why manufacturing has been delayed for so long. Much of it has been completely out of our hands," they said in a new trade solicitation. "Like you, we assume they are doing everything in their power to make this the best product possible and to get Robotech RPG Tactics to market as quickly as possible. Apparently, there were delays and problems getting the molds broken down into sprues and done right. But we’re moving forward again, and all components are looking gorgeous."

It's one thing that they threw ND under the buss when talking to the backers, but repeating that same thing in a trade solicitation? That's just low. "We have no idea whats going on, but we're mostly sure it's not our fault. Not that there's anything wrong. Everything's GORGEOUS" Jazz Hands

They really come off as incompetent finger pointers. Who would ever want to partner with these guys ever again?

There isn't enough face palm for this.

No to mention that fact that PB says that they don't fully understand why it's been delayed....as de facto Project Managers that is something they should be intimate with. Now they make it appear as if they are bystanders in it all....which may be true....but in my mind.....I don't know which is worse.

They "assume"? Well, that explains alot... like why they thought for two weeks that the check.. .err valkyrie sprues... were in the mail. It took them two weeks to find out that the dog ate their homework... I mean renders.. and that they needed to work on them some more. Is there any other cliche besides spousal abuse that I'm missing with regards to Palladium and how they're handling the project that they're managing.. I mean assuming stuff about?

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No to mention that fact that PB says that they don't fully understand why it's been delayed....as de facto Project Managers that is something they should be intimate with. Now they make it appear as if they are bystanders in it all....which may be true....but in my mind.....I don't know which is worse.

It's a textbook example of what not to say to people you want to give you money in exchange for goods and services.

I've learned my lesson. Palladium is a company you don't give money to until after the work is done. If at all.

Is it just me or do the rainbows get brighter as the monsoon of negativity gets darker?

Swabby

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