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Awesome, can't wait to recreate the poses from the artwork with my miniatures!
Oh, wait....

Thanks for posting the pics, Mike. The art looks alot better than the typical B&W art you see in Palladium books (although the macross and TSC books had good line art).


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Joyboozer wrote:
Awesome, can't wait to recreate the poses from the artwork with my miniatures!
Oh, wait....

Not to worry... you should be able to make this action pose with your mouth watering minis! Actually, you may only be able to make that pose with some of the minis if the destroids are any indication...

There are other pics but they are of the 3D models and older sculpts that they have for the Demo so I did not bother to post them. The book has some great artwork and will look fantastic.

here is a size comparison though

Looks like someone went shopping at Paulson's!

Nope, those aren't the models I did.

Those are all stuff from PB/ND, several of the sculpts shown I never made (veritech in the zentraedi jacket for example). I can also spot several differences in the models for the defender, tomawhawk and regults, so I know they are not sculpts I ever worked on.

Besides even despite the grainy picture and being in the distance you can see the seam line on the chest and legs clear as day on that destroid, none of my stuff has ever had seams. (much less on forward faces, if mine had anything noticeable it would be mold lines which are raised, and would have been on the sides)

So those are certainly not anything I made.




(I only gave away about 30 models total at adepticon, so unless they were recasts it's unlikely anybody has more than 1-2 copies of any of my pods).

Damn.

Putting one of those next to a lego minifig really puts it into perspective.

I mean, intellectually, I know how big something 1-2 inches tall is. I can go get a ruler and see exactly how big it is. But that kind of perspective shot really brings it home.

Now if only we could get lego to make Zentraedi......

 paulson games wrote:
Nope, those aren't the models I did.

Those are all stuff from PB/ND, several of the sculpts shown I never made (veritech in the zentraedi jacket for example). I can also spot several differences in the models for the defender, tomawhawk and regults, so I know they are not sculpts I ever worked on.

Besides even despite the grainy picture and being in the distance you can see the seem line on the chest and legs clear as day on that destroid, none of my stuff has ever had seems. (much less on forward faces, if mine had anything noticeable it would be mold lines which are raised, and would have been on the sides)

So those are certainly not anything I made.




(I only gave away about 30 models total at adepticon, so unless they were recasts it's unlikely anybody has more than 1-2 copies of any of my pods).

I was referring to the dozens of 1/200 scale plastic kits that you spent years collecting and that you were selling here in this thread.

 paulson games wrote:
Is anyone interested in the Nichimo model kits?

I have dozens of them left over from when I was working on my initial version of the game. I have probably around 45-50 of the various pods, veritechs in all 3 forms plus super and armored version, 3-4 of each destroid including the Mac II. I have zero interests in Robotech anymore (thanks to Palladium) and the models are taking up too much room and figured I'd see if anyone is looking for some before they hit ebay. Plenty of additional stuff on sprue that's not pictured.

http://www.reasonablyclever.com/mini-mizers/mini-mizer-2-0/

Mike, did you buy any plastic kits from paulson? If so, how do the zentraedi ones scale up next to Robotech con exclusives?

The only thing I bought from him was a Mac II plastic kit that is like 1/240 scale or 1/200 scale. That was $25 shipped.


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I have bought some of these online

http://www.hlj.com/product/YMT00077/Gsh

and it was sooo nice to just open up the platics baggies and throw these together in just a few seconds. I wish we had something like this for Tactics but with the sheer number of units the game is designed to handle not only would the costs have been prohibitive but the pledges would probably have had to have cost 3X or more for the same number of minis. I got 9 figs for $50 on ebay and then 10 more for like $25 off of the link above. Note: the NORMAL price would have been like $65 shipped or $6.5 per mini. I think I got mine fot about $2 each from the KS.

For a quick and dirty number, that sort of averaging works out, but there'll be a significant difference between, say, Destroids and a MAC II bought as an add on. Despite how it breaks down at a glance, that MAC II cost a hell of a lot more than $2.

Though if anyone wants to sell RRT MAC II's for $2, I will take that offer in a heartbeat.

I did some estimates on the comparitive prices between retail and the Battle Cry and weighted them out accordingly, it made for some interesting figures on cost per box and cost per mini. It's a great deal, no doubt, but just because we backers effectively got VT packs for $9 or whatever won't hold true at retail, and that's where things are going to get interesting. Obviously there's demand for "96 figures for $140-170", but will 6 figures sell for $37 MSRP (presumably more like 25-30 depending on local taxes and possibly shipping, etc)? That remains to be seen. Especially in the bulk numbers this game clearly wants it to.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the 4 kits found in the Core Box aren't going to sell very strongly unless the demand is excessive and cores become all but impossible to find until another print run is done.

So, judging from the KS comments, the pics you posted of the rules (and/or minis?) aren't yours but rather forwarded by Red Duke?

Nope, the pics are from his set of the rules. He's been allowed to share. I'm not. Besides, mine are black and white.

Mike1975 wrote:
The only thing I bought from him was a Mac II plastic kit that is like 1/240 scale or 1/200 scale. That was $25 shipped.


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I have bought some of these online

http://www.hlj.com/product/YMT00077/Gsh

and it was sooo nice to just open up the platics baggies and throw these together in just a few seconds. I wish we had something like this for Tactics but with the sheer number of units the game is designed to handle not only would the costs have been prohibitive but the pledges would probably have had to have cost 3X or more for the same number of minis. I got 9 figs for $50 on ebay and then 10 more for like $25 off of the link above. Note: the NORMAL price would have been like $65 shipped or $6.5 per mini. I think I got mine fot about $2 each from the KS.

I don't understand.
~$25 shipped for 10 minis (random, unfortunately) plus $50 for 9 more is ~$75 for 19 minis... Quoting the "regular" price when the sale price is so available is kind of silly. That's like comparing the KS price with the retail price.

The minis are available at ~$2.50/mini currently.

I bought some on ebay and later found out about the link to the HLJ sale.

Right. But you also quoted the non-sale price as "normal" for comparison.

Compare normal to RRT retail and sale to KS - because that's what's available right now. I can buy RRT-style minis for ~$2.50/mini shipped.

And I think I will. feth Palladium.

 warboss wrote:
I was referring to the dozens of 1/200 scale plastic kits that you spent years collecting and that you were selling here in this thread.

Ah gotcha. Misunderstood the original post.

Only sold the nichimo monster kit to Mike, the rest of my 1/200 nichimo kits went to a guy in St Louis.

 warboss wrote:
They "assume"? Well, that explains alot... like why they thought for two weeks that the check.. .err valkyrie sprues... were in the mail. It took them two weeks to find out that the dog ate their homework... I mean renders.. and that they needed to work on them some more. Is there any other cliche besides spousal abuse that I'm missing with regards to Palladium and how they're handling the project that they're managing.. I mean assuming stuff about?

You forgot RSO's favorite: Death/disease in the family.

That s true. Palladium actually does use the plague excuse on a monthly basis to hand wave away unproductive weeks. Ironically palladium toxicity does affect the bone marrow and potentially weaken the immune system so the name of the company may be at fault. Perhaps they should change it to 98% Absolutely Perfect Fan Friend Finalized Pencil, Mug, and Occasionally Game CompanyTM. I'm sure the dozens of fans as Penguincon would have found the name acceptable!

I have seen more pictures of poultry on PB's Facebook page than the minis... It's getting really irritating.. They're soooooo busy that they have time to post 100 pics and video of ducks and turkeys.. what. the. hell.

Maybe that's why they keep using the term "mouthwatering."

New update is up:



I'm not sure how we're going to still get those by June since that is the current official date when the pics of the valkyries are just 3d prototypes and NOT from the sprues. The battlepod prototypes took from Christmas till just a few weeks ago (about 3-4 months) to get to the sprue test stage which puts the valkyries there sometime around august. At least it looks like they did listen to feedback about the insane number of pieces as the VF1A head and legs now look to be one piece.

 warboss wrote:
I'm not sure how we're going to still get those by June since that is the current official date when the pics of the valkyries are just 3d prototypes and NOT from the sprues. The battlepod prototypes took from Christmas till just a few weeks ago (about 3-4 months) to get to the sprue test stage which puts the valkyries there sometime around august. At least it looks like they did listen to feedback about the insane number of pieces as the VF1A head and legs now look to be one piece.

Once they're in final mode (hah! I used the F word!), it doesn't take that long to actually turn from a digital master into a milled mold. The advance of computer driven mastering has made that a quick process. But as you mention, not an instantaneous one. Making the June release date is a pipe dream, IMO. Especially as I ran the math with Forar, and "three to four semi loads" (assuming they use standard 40' containers), likely puts the print run at least double what the backers have pledged for, and depending on compaction could be four or more times that). I have seen noone with anything beyond wishful thinking disagree with the 18 day runtime to do the Regults for the KS pledge (doubled to quadrupled for the amount expected), let alone time required for packing, customs, loading and waiting for the ship to fill, shipping 6000 miles across the Pacific, unloading, customs again (the more strict kind), shipping to Detroit (another 2000 miles), sorting, collating, checking, packing, and shipping. They've got 92.5 days to get it done for GenCon, significantly less for June. And easily half of that could be just the boat (Customs to Customs).

As for the VF1 component size, that could just be the 3D printing method (which allows for undercuts). We likely won't know whether that'll hold up under conversion to sprue, until we see the sprue.

Someone on the KS comments brought this up, and it's true, there ARE seams on the valkyrie parts and it seems like they assembled them before taking photos....

Bear with us, folks. We’re in the home stretch.

W.T.F.??!? HOME STRETCH??

What planet are these people from? For Wave 1, I would label "my package is in the mail" to be the home stretch. These blithering idiots don't even have all the molds milled, and they think they're in the home stretch?

I think we should run a KS to catalog, record and label KS companies with KS Ratings. The Palladium rating would be just above "Utter Failure, Stole Your Money". The Palladium rating would include, but not limited to: Incomprehensible, Incoherent, Incompetent. Zero to negative management skills and coordination. Less reliable forecasting than Nostradamus. Backing this Rating of Kickstarters would make you a Nostra-dumb-ass. While you WILL receive something, you will have essentially been fleeced of your capital through sheer incompetence, lies of omission and lack of any identifiable professional skillset. Expect this KS to deliver 1-2 years late, or be downgraded to Black Hole.

From investigating WGF's process it's my understanding that once the final approval is given that the molds can be cut inside 2-3 days if they really push. Standard time is usually about a week per mold. If they have multiple mills running at the same time they could potentially crank out several sets of molds at the same time.

Most of the time comes from the pre-set up work, finalizing the 3d, setting up the draft angles, cutting and sprue work for test shots. Then once everything is approved they remill with a final mold.

And that would be why all the pics are of the components lying down....so you cant see the lines.....lol

After seeing the size comparison pics I cant for the life of me understand why there are SOOOOO many pieces!

sigh.....double sigh......a$$hats the lot of them


Papasmurf

I'd be very surprised if those arms and legs aren't preassembled. It would be great but that we only see one "jet body" for the fighter and valk modes is a bit of a give away. They're almost certainly cast in at least two pieces (top and bottom).

 Forar wrote:
Damn.
Putting one of those next to a lego minifig really puts it into perspective.
I mean, intellectually, I know how big something 1-2 inches tall is. I can go get a ruler and see exactly how big it is. But that kind of perspective shot really brings it home.

In how many pieces to assemble?