Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!

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**Asterios**

wormwoode wrote:

Have Palladium released anything substantial as PDF in the past?

The better Question is has PB ever released any PDF's before

**wormwoode**

Have they seriously never released anything electronically? Never?

Holy hell.

Well I shall certainly impose upon them with a strongly worded telegraph of inquiry as to their reasoning, and at utmost haste! Should I receive a reply any later than a fortnight, I shall simply be dashed. Dashed, I say.

(Watching these guys make a tabletop game is like watching my Grandma point her mouse at her monitor to "make the emails come on".)

**Forar**

Yeah, they have some stuff on... I want to say drivethrurpg or something?

I believe it's mostly stuff that's out of print that they don't intend to send out for another run anytime in the foreseeable future.

**Asterios**

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/browse.php?manufacturers_id=2627

their available items on DriveThru, but don't think they had anything to do with those, odds are a third party did it and PB gets a cut or something.

most of them is the Rifter Mag.

**Sining**

Man, some of the KS backers are...somewhat challenged. Some guy voted Yes and then proceeded to write this...

A request with the Yes: Kickstarter backers should get something from the profits made from your GenCon sales. Surely you have a projection of what the profit will be. Make us feel again like the co-owners of this project. Granted, it may be a trifle, but it puts an action with the words.

*facepalm*

**ced1106**

"The product is Kevin's blood, sweat and tears, without him and Palladium this product doesn't get made."

I think with Kevin, this product doesn't get made. This product is less blood, sweat, and tears, then ass, bile, and poop.

Anyway, now that the ex-wife has sung, I wondered WTF Harmony Gold would have Palladium involved in the first place. I mean, the "Crisis of Treachery" clearly shows Palladium's lack of business skills, and that's even before you hear about how he treated freelancers who wrote for him.

Well, I finally checked the Harmony Gold forums, and they're not getting love from Robotech fans, either. This *locked* thread has fans pointing out that HG hasn't released much new stuff. I guess you could argue that Robotech died out a long time ago (that's what I thought!), but the two Robotech KS project fundings evidently show otherwise. And, of course, had HG stayed competitive with its franchise when Robotech *was* popular, they could be a major company now. Sorta like a certain RPG company we've been talking about...!

Note: The Kevin in the thread OP isn't Kevin Siembieda, but a staff member of HG .

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/read.php?id=2188030&forumid=31

**Conrad Turner**

Sining wrote:
Man, some of the KS backers are...somewhat challenged. Some guy voted Yes and then proceeded to write this...

A request with the Yes: Kickstarter backers should get something from the profits made from your GenCon sales. Surely you have a projection of what the profit will be. Make us feel again like the co-owners of this project. Granted, it may be a trifle, but it puts an action with the words.

*facepalm*

Ah, yes. If they spread all the INCOME from what they sell at Gencon, not just the profit, around the - what, 5.5-6K backers - we might just get 5c each! what a brilliant idea!

At this point, I just don't know if I want to go through KS to try and get my money back (obviously PB won't entertain that idea) or hold on, wait the remaining 18+ months for wave 2/3 to arrive and put all the special characters and SDF-1 that was my entire pledge on E-Bay and turn it all around. Either way, I'll probably make a loss, but at least I won't have to deal with PB ever again.

models, my

We'll be able to sell at Gencon because the backers told us we could.

Oh yes, we rigged the vote.

**leaxe**

A friend of mine suggested I post my custom epic buildings here.

He will take some for this game when building his terrain.

https://www.facebook.com/gregsters6mm

Some photos here too:

http://s299.photobucket.com/user/brx-photo/library/6mm-buildings?sort=3&page=1

**Albertorius**

Forar wrote:
Yeah, they have some stuff on... I want to say drivethrurpg or something?

I believe it's mostly stuff that's out of print that they don't intend to send out for another run anytime in the foreseeable future.

Yes, they do have stuff in pdf. Mostly Rifter magazines and stuff OOP.

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/browse.php?manufacturers_id=2627

EDIT: What Asterios said >_>

**Merijeek**

Sining wrote:
Man, some of the KS backers are...somewhat challenged. Some guy voted Yes and then proceeded to write this...

A request with the Yes: Kickstarter backers should get something from the profits made from your GenCon sales. Surely you have a projection of what the profit will be. Make us feel again like the co-owners of this project. Granted, it may be a trifle, but it puts an action with the words.

*facepalm*

I really don't get these delusional chumps who are saying "Sure, go ahead and sell it but to make it up to us you should [give us a whatever]."

How goddamned stupid do these people need to be to think something like that is going to actually happen?

**fruitlewps**

They need to sell stuff at GenCon just to have enough money to ship our stuff out, they outta money!

**Merijeek**

fruitlewps wrote:
They need to sell stuff at GenCon just to have enough money to ship our stuff out, they outta money!

That's been my guess for a while - that, or to pay for the actual Gen Con boot. Just don't let certain fan-friends hear you say that or they'll start hyperventilating.

But, you know, some things just can't be questioned.

**ced1106**

Merijeek wrote:
How goddamned stupid do these people need to be to think something like that is going to actually happen?

They pledged for this KS, didn't they?

I'm checking out the RPG.net reviews of the "newer" Robotech 2007 release, with "40% new material". One reviewer commented that the Palladium system didn't capture the anime drama like the RPG systems whose mechanics were made to fit the source material, not the other way around. Good point, although I don't remember how many RPG systems were doing that sort of thing at the time.

**Forar**

As someone that used to enjoy epic combat sessions with his RPG group when we played Rifts back in High School and for a few years after, the Palladium system has never been remotely 'fast paced'. It's a massive pile of opposed rolls and whittling down big numbers to more manageable numbers.

Love the Rifts setting, not a fan of the game mechanics/engine.

**gorgon**

Forar wrote:
Love the Rifts setting, not a fan of the game mechanics/engine.

That's Palladium in a nutshell, no matter what game you're talking about.

**Mike1975**

I never liked that fact that you had to check your physical attributes, skill levels, and like 5 different skills AND your Hand to Hand whether expert or martial arts or assassin or whatever just to figure out the correct strike, parry, and roll modifiers. Then if you were in a truck or piloting some mecha you had to check those abilites too.

**Henshini**

Conrad Turner wrote:

Ah, yes. If they spread all the INCOME from what they sell at Gencon, not just the profit, around the - what, 5.5-6K backers - we might just get 5c each! what a brilliant idea!

At this point, I just don't know if I want to go through KS to try and get my money back (obviously PB won't entertain that idea) or hold on, wait the remaining 18+ months for wave 2/3 to arrive and put all the special characters and SDF-1 that was my entire pledge on E-Bay and turn it all around. Either way, I'll probably make a loss, but at least I won't have to deal with PB ever again. models, my We'll be able to sell at Gencon because the backers told us we could. Oh yes, we rigged the vote.

If you do find a way to get your money back, be sure to let us know.

**Talizvar**

Mike1975 wrote:
I never liked that fact that you had to check your physical attributes, skill levels, and like 5 different skills AND your Hand to Hand whether expert or martial arts or assassin or whatever just to figure out the correct strike, parry, and roll modifiers. Then if you were in a truck or piloting some mecha you had to check those abilites too.

It was shortly after Rifts "peak" that wonderful spreadsheets became common, they were a godsend for their crazy rules. Remove some of the grunt work and it made them usable... again the user making up for the shortcomings.
Who am I to say anything, I used to play Rulesm... I mean "Rolemaster".

**Asterios**

here was another backer who voted yes with his addendum added:

"Kenneth Johnson about 12 hours ago

Yes, with a caveat. For what it is worth, besides restricting the number of sets an individual can buy to one, have the individual sign a promise not to resell the game until at least your Fall release date. Will you have dishonesty? You could, but then peer pressure shaming also would occur. Most honest gamers hungry for the chance to just play and enjoy would sign such an agreement without a 2nd thought."

**Merijeek**

Asterios wrote:
here was another backer who voted yes with his addendum added:

"Kenneth Johnson about 12 hours ago

Yes, with a caveat. For what it is worth, besides restricting the number of sets an individual can buy to one, have the individual sign a promise not to resell the game until at least your Fall release date. Will you have dishonesty? You could, but then peer pressure shaming also would occur. Most honest gamers hungry for the chance to just play and enjoy would sign such an agreement without a 2nd thought."

In response I'd like to point to my Unicorn Fart picture above.

Of course you also get:

"to all the disappointed backers (like myself) if say.......an extra set of both faction dice or maybe even command tokens were to fall in to backers boxes when shipped, or a similar gesture of "thank you for your support and sorry for the delays" would probably make lots of us feel better.

"

Really? Has anyone ever seen any indication that a project, that has done everything it could to produce as cheaply as possible, is suddenly going to start handing out free stuff?

**Asterios**

Has PB ever given out free stuff before even ?

**Merijeek**

Asterios wrote:
Has PB ever given out free stuff before even ?

I think they unload unwanted crap in their Christmas grab bags, don't they?

**Mike1975**

I don't know Merijeek. I think they should call McDonalds and work with them and place one or two free single serve ice cream coupons into each package. I'm sure McDonald's would make money since you never go there just for an ice cream.

**Asterios**

oh if I had control over how the game was Demoed I'd rock it all over the place, I could demo the crap out of this and a lot better then PB.

**Talizvar**

I still think a "win-win" is to take the trip out to volunteer for the packing.

Part of the volunteer agreement would be various "spoiled" sprues make their way to my package in addition to the normal pack.

Would only be fair, to ensure the best possible quality and me being a happy grunt ensuring you fine folks get what you are supposed to.

**Asterios**

Talizvar wrote:

Part of the volunteer agreement would be various "spoiled" sprues make their way to my package in addition to the normal pack.

with the way the sprues are being packed at the factory to be sent to PB that will be a lot of "Spoiled" sprues.

**Merijeek**

Asterios wrote:
Talizvar wrote:

Part of the volunteer agreement would be various "spoiled" sprues make their way to my package in addition to the normal pack.

with the way the sprues are being packed at the factory to be sent to PB that will be a lot of "Spoiled" sprues.

Don't worry about it! In the event of damaged or miscast models they will (mumblemumblemumble)!

**stanman**

If I were anywhere near the Midwest I'd volunteer simply to sabotage their packing efforts, pull a random part off a sprue here and there to make sure they have a proper customer service nightmare.

**ced1106**

stanman wrote:
If I were anywhere near the Midwest I'd volunteer simply to sabotage their packing efforts, pull a random part off a sprue here and there to make sure they have a proper customer service nightmare.

Nah. I think they're doing fine on their own.

KickTraq has HG's Robotech Academy ending at 81% of their goal, while KickSpy has it at 118% funded.

david lacina about 1 hour ago on RA

Because, ( and this is something that's funding investor trepidation) HG has a history of stalled out or horribly delayed projects at this point. In addition, while I understand their need and right to protect their I.P. Their actions in the fan community have been seen as very negative. This is what is known as karma hitting them in the butt a bit, and their presentation... Well it lacks confidence in themselves. (HG if you don't have a good pr firm why not? Call me. Or someone. Pay them. I'm not even joking. Hire community college kids from the local paras chapter if you have to...)

We need to respect that projects are in development hell all the time. Heck the Keaton batman movie was in development for 15 years. But by the same token maybe we also potentially have to look at the fact that this piece of I.p. Can't be resurrected at this point, because there's no real sustained interest in it past a few thousand fans. Else wise why is that shadow sequel sitting for 10 years... or sentinels for 25? We sort of have and DO support the brand, even though we never get that sequel.
This thing at current rates needs 5000 people to go through... Or all of us to triple our current pledges. RRT got 5000 people, many now with a bad taste towards the brand... Again HG do you see how your brand is being hurt by the folk in Westland? You need to address this.

And you guys saw this, right?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Never-Kickstart-Palladium-Again/1441277449482363

**Asterios**

stanman wrote:
If I were anywhere near the Midwest I'd volunteer simply to sabotage their packing efforts, pull a random part off a sprue here and there to make sure they have a proper customer service nightmare.

They won't need help to do that, they can do it all on their own.