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well it seems the voting update forums are dying, looks like the yes vote win by a landslide and that's just on the ones who didn't vote.

Asterios wrote:
well it seems the voting update forums are dying, looks like the yes vote win by a landslide and that's just on the ones who didn't vote.

For a guy who thinks he can do no wrong, it's entertaining that Simbieda had to rig the vote ahead of time.

Merijeek wrote:

Asterios wrote:
well it seems the voting update forums are dying, looks like the yes vote win by a landslide and that's just on the ones who didn't vote.

For a guy who thinks he can do no wrong, it's entertaining that Simbieda had to rig the vote ahead of time.

nah, that's just smart thinking on his behalf.

Merijeek wrote:
For a guy who thinks he can do no wrong, it's entertaining that Simbieda had to rig the vote ahead of time.

But Merijeek, he's since stated that it wasn't his intention to rig the vote, it was his intention to "encourage participation" or some other such wankage. That it has obviously tainted the numbers* is irrelevant.

* Ironically, I think the taint actually hurt him. There were quite a few people who said no, because of the rigging, likely significantly more than the yes's that were "just get it over with, you already made your decision".

Of course, the swoon brigade are going to assert that the vote is relevant, now that the majority appears to be in favor. But the numbers don't lie. More backers are unhappy with this, than customers will be happy at GenCon (assuming PB aren't lying about how much stock they're taking). So, good job, Kevin.

And his "1% dissatisfied" number is shown to be completely false.

Morgan Vening wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
For a guy who thinks he can do no wrong, it's entertaining that Simbieda had to rig the vote ahead of time.

But Merijeek, he's since stated that it wasn't his intention to rig the vote, it was his intention to "encourage participation" or some other such wankage.

This sentence made me laugh pretty loudly at my desk.

So here's the real question. How many of you in this thread will be at GenCon to see what Palladium has for RRT there?

 cincydooley wrote:
So here's the real question. How many of you in this thread will be at GenCon to see what Palladium has for RRT there?

I'll be staying home to pack and ship out Kickstarter rewards.

My network of spies will be there though.

vitae_drinker wrote:
And his "1% dissatisfied" number is shown to be completely false.

Nah. If you're "a fan" you will swallow whatever Simbieda pumps out.

If you're not a fan, you don't count.

So it's really 100% of fans that are satisfied - Simbieda is just being modest when he says 99%.

 cincydooley wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
For a guy who thinks he can do no wrong, it's entertaining that Simbieda had to rig the vote ahead of time.

But Merijeek, he's since stated that it wasn't his intention to rig the vote, it was his intention to "encourage participation" or some other such wankage.

This sentence made me laugh pretty loudly at my desk.

So here's the real question. How many of you in this thread will be at GenCon to see what Palladium has for RRT there?

I'll be in attendance. I'll hope to have my second pick t-shirt made ("Palladium Books, built on broken promises" on the front, and on the back, a concert t-shirt like dates list, but instead of venues, just listing all the significant broken promises). But I'll probably try to avoid confrontation, cause either I'll lose it, and get punted, or they'll lose it, and I'll get blamed. Lose-lose for the most part. I can't see a respectful conversation being a realistic outcome, as they've disrespected us too much for me to take what they say seriously.

I was considering a third t-shirt, but it's been pointed out, I'd probably get a punch in the mouth.

["Silence = Consent" - Kevin Siembieda, Palladium Books] on the front.
["Just trying to provoke a response"] on the back.

I'll be there, but I'll probably ignore their booth.


What do they care, they already have my money.

 Platuan4th wrote:
I'll be there, but I'll probably ignore their booth.

What do they care, they already have my money.

I certainly hope they care, to do otherwise is incredibly short sighted, bad business, if not outright stupid.

Wait, I think I see the problem here...

So...today is the 17th.

And it's a Thursday.

We thinking they will or won't be posting a gloating Update today? Surely there will be one that says "Hey losers, it's on the boat!!!"

I'm guessing they won't. For those who don't really pay attention, Thurs, Fri and Sat are generally their 'update days', and they usually go out around 8pm-midnight EST, or whatever that is in your local time zone.

According to Google, at least part of China is 12 hours ahead of said time zone, so if it was getting underway 'today', it should already be out there, as it's getting on 3am Friday morning for them.

Not that shipping is remotely in their control. Regardless of what their service told them, it could be held up for any number of reasons beyond theirs or even anyones control.

But part of their reassurances that Gencon isn't that big a deal was that they'd have the boxes in hand with one of the most optimistic delivery schedules on Earth, and every day (hell, every hour that they fall behind, the less likely their 'omg don't worry, boxes will be going in the mail before Gencon!' statements become to happen.

Merijeek wrote:
So...today is the 17th.

And it's a Thursday.

We thinking they will or won't be posting a gloating Update today? Surely there will be one that says "Hey losers, it's on the boat!!!"

Which would be glorious if it gets held up at any of the sticking points along the way (travel time on water, potential slowdown/strike at the docks, customs, trucking transpo).

But I'm kinda hoping on the ashes and sackcloth "Yeah, it's held up already, someone (other than us) did done screw it up, totally not our fault for pushing an unreasonable timeline". And the Stockholmers saying how it's our fault for putting the bad karma into the ether. Cause, you know, it's all us "haters" fault. We should have believed in Kevin, and his flatulent unicorn.

At this point I'm convinced there is a growing population of people who think I personally control this projects success or failure.

 Forar wrote:
At this point I'm convinced there is a growing population of people who think I personally control this projects success or failure.

and here I thought it was me.

It can be both of us.

And with great power comes great responsibility.

.... nnnnnnNNNNNNNOPE!

Asterios wrote:
Does this mean that Palladium might not have the legal rights to do their game ?

Late reply, but it doesn't matter, since no one cares to spend the $$$ to challenge Harmony Gold. It's not worth it. The Kotaku (sp) article says that HG claims it has *international* rights, but doesn't, yet they haven't been challenged on that.

If you're a regular on BoardGameGeek, you've probably heard of the IP issues with Merchants of Venus, Magic Realm, HeroQuest, and other OOP games. Who owns what part of which IP for what areas for how long and what they can do with it can become so entangled, messy, and just plain no one has any idea, that companies just drop the whole thing and start their own product. An article I read said WizKid's MechWarrior was pretty much leaving Battletech and starting with their own IP.

 Forar wrote:
At this point I'm convinced there is a growing population of people who think I personally control this projects success or failure.

Oh, please. You're no Rick Steinberg!

Nah, this is other people thinking I can crush the campaign.

The only person who thinks Rick can crush the campaign is Rick.

 Forar wrote:
Nah, this is other people thinking I can crush the campaign.

The only person who thinks Rick can crush the campaign is Rick.

Nah I think i'm just a shlameil hoping PB keeps its word.

● We have been promising for months that we would have Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product to sell at Gen Con. People have made travel plans, hotel reservations, bought tickets to Gen Con, etc., counting on it being available at Gen Con. We thought we’d have plenty of time to ship to backers before Gen Con, but the product is coming months later than we thought it would. If we could push back Gen Con, we would, but obviously we can’t.

I honestly had no idea that Palladium and Robotech where THAT big a deal...

 Alpharius wrote:

● We have been promising for months that we would have Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product to sell at Gen Con. People have made travel plans, hotel reservations, bought tickets to Gen Con, etc., counting on it being available at Gen Con. We thought we’d have plenty of time to ship to backers before Gen Con, but the product is coming months later than we thought it would. If we could push back Gen Con, we would, but obviously we can’t.

I honestly had no idea that Palladium and Robotech where THAT big a deal...

Look, pal! Palladium Books can't push Gen Con back. And since that is the only possible alternative, they just HAVE to sell at Gen Con.

There is no other possibility!

Did you just say that there's something Palladium can't do?

*blink*

BURN THE HERETIC!!!

Gencon remains as it is because Palladium allows it, heathen.

Merijeek wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

● We have been promising for months that we would have Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product to sell at Gen Con. People have made travel plans, hotel reservations, bought tickets to Gen Con, etc., counting on it being available at Gen Con. We thought we’d have plenty of time to ship to backers before Gen Con, but the product is coming months later than we thought it would. If we could push back Gen Con, we would, but obviously we can’t.

I honestly had no idea that Palladium and Robotech where THAT big a deal...

Look, pal! Palladium Books can't push Gen Con back. And since that is the only possible alternative, they just HAVE to sell at Gen Con?

There is no other possibility!

Yeah, do you really expect them to keep the promises to their backers over the possibility of people at Gen Con.

vitae_drinker wrote:

Merijeek wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

● We have been promising for months that we would have Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product to sell at Gen Con. People have made travel plans, hotel reservations, bought tickets to Gen Con, etc., counting on it being available at Gen Con. We thought we’d have plenty of time to ship to backers before Gen Con, but the product is coming months later than we thought it would. If we could push back Gen Con, we would, but obviously we can’t.

I honestly had no idea that Palladium and Robotech where THAT big a deal...

Look, pal! Palladium Books can't push Gen Con back. And since that is the only possible alternative, they just HAVE to sell at Gen Con?

There is no other possibility!

Yeah, do you really expect them to keep the promises to their backers over the possibility of people at Gen Con.

I was really more mocking the idea that the problem here was that PB couldn't reschedule Gen Con. Everything all comes down to the fact that they just can't do it! There's no other way to avoid pissing people off!

So, any bets on the cargo container is on the top or belly of the cargo ship?

If they are faced with rough weather the top cargo containers get jettisoned to reduce roll of the ship or just plain lost due to the roll.
Good news is we could get money refunded! Interesting rule "Genral Average" See link:
http://www.oceanfreight.com/html/general_average.html

10,000 cargo containers lost each year:
http://singularityhub.com/2011/04/05/10000-shipping-containers-lost-at-sea-each-year-heres-a-look-at-one-2/

New excuse all ready to go!

vitae_drinker wrote:
Yeah, do you really expect them to keep the promises to their backers over the possibility of people at Gen Con.

Actually, that could be an entertaining sideline. Go up to them mid afternoon (after they've sold out*), wanting to buy a boxed set. When it's pointed out that they're sold out for the day, "But you promised people that it'd be available at GenCon! I travelled all the way from <insert state/country> just to get my hands on this!". Could be worth a laff or two.

* That's assuming PB are being truthful that they're only sending "a few hundred", and that there's any kind of demand for it. I don't doubt the latter, but the former, well, their word is their bondage, apparently.

 Talizvar wrote:

New excuse all ready to go!

Assuming that they'd be insured at full value (oops, Wayne forgot to get Kevin to sign something! No kibble for Wayne!), it's probably the single best thing that could happen to PB's bottom line.


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Morgan Vening wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
Yeah, do you really expect them to keep the promises to their backers over the possibility of people at Gen Con.

Actually, that could be an entertaining sideline. Go up to them mid afternoon (after they've sold out*), wanting to buy a boxed set. When it's pointed out that they're sold out for the day, "But you promised people that it'd be available at GenCon! I travelled all the way from <insert state/country> just to get my hands on this!". Could be worth a laff or two.

"You know, I'm a backer. And I hated the idea of you selling at Gen Con. But now that I'm here I have to have one!"

"Sorry, we're sold out."

"What? You broke your constant promise to your backers so that you could sell out in the first day?!?!? What kind of an idiot are you??"

Yeah, that part in particular remains confusing.

Sooo... they MUST have product at the convention to drum up 'buzz'!

But they're only bringing a little bit of it, so there's no reason to get all ruffled about it!

But if there's only a bit of it and they sell out in the first hour, how is that any different from not having product at all? Like, if the VIPs and Vendors clear them out each morning, or they sell out in a few hours, either way, by lunch time they're not going to have anything to sell unless they dip into 'tomorrows' stock.

And if they're bringing enough to reduce that likelihood (800-999 kinda range of each), even if it doesn't cover a fraction of the demand, they could easily be talking about practically the entirety of container 1, putting a bullet in the 'we'll totally be shipping to backers while we're at Gencon, you guys!'