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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/26 16:50:51
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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This isn't an IndieGoGo 'Flexible Funding' campaign - it is all or nothing, $500K or bust!
Unless you mean whatever other funds they've raised (Ha!) from other sources?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 02:57:06
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Ultramarine Scout with Sniper Rifle
Kansas
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Yeah, they aren't getting my money for that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 04:27:16
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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New update, it basically doesn't say anything. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/928773 Thank You! Hey, everyone. Wayne here. Thank you so much, guys. Everyone who voted, thank you for making your opinions known. And thank you to those 78% of you who voted yes to allowing us to sell product at Gen Con. We really and truly appreciate it. Things have been nuts around here the last week, but here are the highlights: Sorting out BackerKit’s back end, making sure every item is properly set up in preparation for exporting the data and importing it into our shipping system. Meeting with representatives from UPS, USPS, and Pitney Bowes, getting our shipping system updated and expanded to be able to handle the volume of all those Kickstarter rewards going out. Buying TONS of boxes for shipping out all your goodies, starting in a couple of weeks. This was more complicated than you might think, since we haven’t even seen all of the products in person yet. Not to mention the variety of shipments we’ll have to deal with. An export of the data from BackerKit that sorts the shipments into groups of like items shows 2,456 different combinations! That’s a lot of things to consider when ordering ten thousand dollars worth of boxes. And too much more to list. In fact, since it’s 10pm Saturday night and I’m only just now getting time to post this, I’m going to leave it there for now, and let the rest be covered by the following words from Palladium President and Publisher, Kevin Siembieda: ------------ My deep and heartfelt thank you to our Kickstarter backers for voting to let us take Robotech® RPG Tactics™ to sell at Gen Con. The overwhelming majority (78% who actually voted) voted yes. Thank you for your understanding and kindness. You and your support are very appreciated. I have been showing around the ONE box of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ we have received from China and everyone goes wild over it. The game looks big, beefy and beautiful. We have the one game box, a couple of the expansion packs and a half dozen sprue samples of each mecha. Some of the sprue samples have been sent out to be painted, both as display pieces and for tabletop demos at Gen Con. The bulk of them have been sent out to Blue Table Painting. They are doing most of the painting and we appreciate their efforts. We’re working them like dogs, too, because we did not get the UEDF production samples until last week. Thanks guys, the paint jobs are looking great! Their comment about the sprues: “You can tell somebody put a lot of love into these models.” Yes indeed, a lot of people put a lot of love into them. We’re glad to hear that it shows in the final pieces. I can’t express how rewarding it is that people go wild over this game and think the pieces look so good. Our China broker and factories are doing an excellent job on the final phase. Carmen Bellaire (co-author of the rules) just got to see it all the other day. He too was impressed. “Kev, I know it has been hell to get this game made, but the end product is really something. You should be really proud.” I think everyone involved can be proud of this finished product. I cannot wait until we can start shipping out product to our Kickstarter backers. A NEW Robotech® RPG Tactics™ game piece may be made available via the Robotech® Academy Kickstarter! Yes, you are reading that correctly. There could be one (or two?) NEW Robotech® mecha game pieces for Robotech® RPG Tactics™ made available in the Robotech® Academy Kickstarter! Harmony Gold contacted Palladium Books to see if we would mind if they released one (maybe two) 1/285 scale (6 mm) NEW MECHA from the anticipated Robotech® Academy animated pilot, as game pieces for Robotech® RPG Tactics™. We gave our blessing because we thought you guys and gals would dig it. This would be an official game piece (we would do up the stats and everything). I do not know if HG is planning to do this for certain or not. Harmony Gold may announce at Comic Con International in San Diego this weekend, if they are going to add the new piece(s) or not, and if so, which new mecha they will manufacture and offer. They’ll also make the announcement on their Kickstarter page and via other means, as well as post images online. What is Robotech® Academy? It’s Harmony Gold USA, Inc.’s proposed new venture to expand the Robotech® universe. And they are using Kickstarter to finish the pilot with the hopes of launching it as a new Robotech animated series. It is my understanding that concept work, a script, model sheets, new mecha designs and more are already done. Now they are looking to get the production of the pilot financed, at least in part, by Kickstarter. As a licensee of Harmony Gold, I like what I’m hearing about this new series, so check out this Kickstarter and get some cool, collectible swag in the process. First glance thoughts; - Working to import data from the Backerkit? They wrapped that up literally 10+ months ago. Why is this only being looked at now? - 2,456 different combinations? ... what? How many of you donkey caves ordered extra wave one stuff? I have a hard time believing that nearly half of the wave one packages will be so different; there are only 8 different products going out! Yes, some variation in numbers (2 VT boxes versus 3 VT boxes, etc), but what the hell? With wave 2 included, I could buy it. - RTA is not looking like it'll hit its target, even with a last minute spike in funding. Even if it's looking close, trying to entice backers sight unseen with more figures feels like it has ignored a great deal of the critique lobbed at this campaign in a short sighted prayer for some kind of boost to get them over the hump. Hell, for all we know, those two new "1/285 scale mecha" will be prototype Cyclones that'll be a whopping 7mm tall. The obvious assumption to make is that they'll be VT analogues of some kind, but this campaign and anything involved with it have long since lost the benefit of the doubt.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 07:26:30
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Forar wrote:Hell, for all we know, those two new "1/285 scale mecha" will be prototype Cyclones that'll be a whopping 7mm tall. The obvious assumption to make is that they'll be VT analogues of some kind, but this campaign and anything involved with it have long since lost the benefit of the doubt.
If they do 7mm tall cyclones, they better be like the rest of the RRT pieces and be at least 12 parts each to make sure we get that proper quality we all expect out of Palladium.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 14:54:39
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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12 pieces standard, of course.
14 for the Saber variant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 16:45:31
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Forar, you are forgetting that "import" in this case means handwriting out all the individual backer orders onto file cards that have boxes that can be ticked off when the product is sent.
However you are right Wave 1 at least cannot be that hard to sort out (if PB think it is god help us when we get to wave 2). I would set a mail/distribution line something like this
a Boxed game
b Battlecry
c Showdown just put two battlecrys together etc
Keep a misc category for any orders that do not fit the standard pattern, just add the extra sprues.
Of course this would have been easier if PB had asked for single main boxed sets and pre packed battlecry sets at the end of production, using the information they have had for over a year now.
But they are new at this aren't they.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 17:36:39
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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Hand written? I was thinking cuneiform might come into play.
I'm sure there are some variations. Some crazy folks who figured that $25 for 2 more VTs was a good idea, or some Battletech enthusiast that wanted like 4 more boxes of Destroids, but I just can't see how they'd have nearly that much variation when the average backer only pitched in enough for 1 BC and some add ons (many of which would presumably fall into wave two, things the BC didn't contain much of) or a Showdown, which as you noted, is just two BCs, no big deal.
As for being new, Ninja Division was hired on to see them through just such logistics. If that alliance has cracked or had issues, that's on them to make it right or work with someone else.
Also, out of curiosity, say I open a box of 5 space marines but there are only 4, or one of them looks like it managed to find its way through a blast furnace. How would one contact GW, and what steps would be necessary to get that rectified?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 17:52:29
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Perhaps some sort of electronic mail? Or perhaps a local retail establishment of theirs? I'm going to bet that Toronto has a GW store, unless (insert Rob Ford joke here)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 17:58:56
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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We used to have one in the mall I work near, but it closed down ages ago. According to Google there's a GW store off the subway line to the north.
But don't worry, in the event you need to get in touch with Palladium, you can always... well, here, let's let one of their Forum guys spell it out.
there a re a few different means of contact on the place I linked to. A webform, their mailing address, their fax number and two business numbers. I do not know what their policy is in regards to collect calls, but one of those methods of communications should suffice.
So there's a webform helpdesk! Or you can snail mail them! Or call them up on the phone (no way that time zones or long distance charges might come into play there)! Or a fax! I mean, who doesn't regularly fax things anymore?!
Edit: don't ask why they don't just have a simple email address. I have no idea why not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 18:01:02
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Dakka Veteran
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Too many email analogues of moist panties being lobbed at Simbieda. They'd never get anything done!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/27 21:27:36
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Forar wrote: Or a fax! I mean, who doesn't regularly fax things anymore?! I've sent more things by fax in the past year than the rest of my life. WAY too many institutions and business are still reliant on it over e-mail. You want in on a Hasbro promotion or contest? You need to Fax or snail mail it. Totes worth it to receive free Transformers, though. The worst? I bought my car over fax. That's a bit of exaggeration, but the sales contract and such was done back and forth over fax.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 00:10:18
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Talking on the 2K+ different combos..
Does that include say for a Battlecry: 1 Boxed game, the separate "boxes" for all the addons that are part of Wave 1? (extra VTs, Pods, etc) Then any addons the person may have added after completion?
I know I got a Showdown, then also about $300 of addons, so my box is gonna be huge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 01:59:33
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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fruitlewps wrote:Talking on the 2K+ different combos..
Does that include say for a Battlecry: 1 Boxed game, the separate "boxes" for all the addons that are part of Wave 1? (extra VTs, Pods, etc) Then any addons the person may have added after completion?
I know I got a Showdown, then also about $300 of addons, so my box is gonna be huge.
Yeah, but how many variations is that actually going to be? What add ons did you get from wave one?
A Showdown is (off the top of my head):
2 Core Boxes
4 VT expansion boxes
4 Battlepod expansion boxes
2 S/P Destroid boxes
2 Command Pod Boxes
2 Support Pod boxes
Like, I tossed a couple hundred for add ons too, but unless they include the Destroid packs from the Daedalus Attack add on, zero of them are coming in Wave One.
The point is, variations are actual different purchases. A BC is one. A SD is another. A BC and an extra Battlepod pack is another. Unless there were guys ordering like 1-200 Battlepod packs extra, I just don't see it.
Not to mention that the add ons were flat out wasted money if you were getting more than 4 things that were found in a BC. At that point it was just throwing away money to not upgrade to another box (at the time, at least). For example: $100 for 8 VTs, or $130-140 for 9VTs and 70 other models.
Y'see?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 02:03:17
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Out of morbid curiosity, what makes you think they're smart enough to filter out only Wave 1 items? Or, if they're smart enough, why would they be honest enough to admit it's less complex than it really is when they can harp on a mostly-true statement to explain why the shipping is taking too long?
I might just be overly cynical at this point though, and I'm not even waiting on anything!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 02:24:08
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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Oh, I don't.
It's mostly a mix of tongue in cheek mockery, bitterly dry sarcasm and wistful thoughts at how naive we all were thinking they'd only be half a year late on delivery. Approaching a year late on half delivery? I don't recall many that thought PB'd look at Ogre's hold ups and say "man, we can top that easily".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 06:08:38
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Just a snippet for those not in the know. Pitney Bowes is the company ebay is using for the Global Shipping program.
This company is 1) hammer handed and will break items. 2) gouge on shipping prices. 3) charge "import fees" on everything even if the value or goods make it exempt from said fees.
Non-US backers do a little dance now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 07:02:37
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Innocent SDF-1 Bridge Bunny
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I get the feeling that PB hasn't set up their plans for the international backers. I don't believe there thinking that far ahead. It'll be a miracle if wave two shows up before GC 2015.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/28 08:22:03
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Cypher-xv wrote:I get the feeling that PB hasn't set up their plans for the international backers. I don't believe there thinking that far ahead. It'll be a miracle if wave two shows up before GC 2015.
Actually, I'm full on expecting it, if not later. And then we get to do the whole she-bang again. Can't go to GenCon without the a fresh release. A year with no added content is problematic. And yet, we were promised all of Wave 2 before it goes "retail".
I know Mike and some others have mentioned John Candice's report on the status of Wave 2. But personally, I'd like a lot more clarification of what's "done" before I'd get too anticipatory. And I don't mean what's been categorized as done, I mean what is the definition of done? Because to me, "done" means test sprues have been approved, and the mold's sitting there, ready to be put into action. And it could mean that. Or it could mean the molds haven't been made yet, or the PPPrototype has been made, or the digital sculpt has been finalized pending PPP. All of those count as "done". And given how long some of Wave 1 took to go from final digital sculpt, to approved test sprues, and just the quantities of sprues needed for Wave 2, I don't see it being a quick procedure at all.
And then there's also the required resin/metal components for the VEF/1D boxes. Depending on how many of those got picked up (I ordered 4 boxes), that may add to the end result, as I'm not sure if they're going to be fully independent figures, or if they're going to be add-ons to the 1D plastics. There was some confusing information there I think.
As for the international backers, if I haven't offloaded my stuff before hand (still hoping, but the timeframe is shrinking), I'd love to be a fly on the wall when they calculate my shipping. I have pointed out to them (when I was fishing for a straight refund) that it's going to be expensive, but I'm not sure they believed me. On a $1540 order, I think shipping over the two waves will be in the 35% range. Could be as high as 50%, if it's heavier than I estimated (I counted the extra Wave 1 sprues over First Contact at 1/2 the box size/weight, and then again for Wave 2). And that doesn't count the very real possibility I'll need replacement parts, constituting a third/fourth shipment. As for the EU VAT avoidance thing, if it hasn't been sorted out by now (and you'd assume PB would have mentioned it, but it IS Palladium), it's also pushing against the clock. That is, unless they just decide it's another promise to break, and EU backers get shafted.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 16:30:22
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Innocent SDF-1 Bridge Bunny
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Here's a link to a thread asking for answers on wave two. I don't expect to see anything happen but to see it locked because NMI just can. He's already deleted some of my posts to give the false impression that everything is unicorns and rainbows. Sheesh, Rolls eyes
http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=2804824#p2804824
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/30 23:48:02
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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As an international backer I reckon if I received wave 1 then I would be happy(ish) to walk away thankful I actually received anything at all.
I am sure there will be some sort of problem with international backers though (ala Myth)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/07/31 00:10:21
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Innocent SDF-1 Bridge Bunny
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Here's NMI's response to the international backer situation. Take it for what it's worth.
{\Actually, according to the past murmurs, they have been meeting with reps from the various shipping companies - Fed Ex, UPS, USPS, Pittney Bowes, etc... updating/upgrading their shipping systems, etc..
I assume what international services they will be using will be depend also on where you are, what country they will be delivering to, etc... So if you could provide me that, I can then go and ask Kevin directly\}
Here's the thread it's from:
http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=144219
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 01:45:21
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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Update #152 Aug 1 2014
That’s a lot of boxes
Hey, everyone. Wayne here.
I mentioned last week that we had ordered boxes for shipping the soon-to-arrive Robotech® RPG Tactics™ products to you guys, and those boxes arrived on Tuesday. And well... just look at them. (That's Alex, btw, and he's like 5'8".)
It certainly makes an impression, we think, about the scope of this whole thing, when just the flattened boxes to ship the goods in take up a whole semi-truck trailer themselves. And by the way, we expect to go through all of these just shipping Wave One.
A Few Questions Answered
Some of these have come up before, but folks are still asking, so...
What is our replacement part policy?
Like we would do with any or our products, if you get an item with a defective or missing part, just let us know (by phone at 734-721-2903 is quickest, but you can also email us at kickstarter@palladiumbooks.com, or just about any other method of contacting us will work), and we’ll send you a replacement part. We plan to put some images of each sprue on our website with the parts numbered to make it easier to communicate which part is missing or defective.
Shipping to the EU and VAT
Like we said way back during the Kickstarter funding period, we have made arrangements with a company who have a warehouse in the UK. We’re going to pack up all shipments going to Europe, palletize them, and ship them to their UK warehouse. They will then ship the individual packages to the European backers from there. We have been assured this will help the end recipient to avoid VAT and perhaps other Customs fees.
For other international customers, we’ll do what we can to ease the pain of taxes, duties and Customs fees. For one thing, we’ll be shipping via the U.S. Postal Service. We've had customers get surprised with high fees when we've used other carriers to ship internationally in the past, so we always use USPS to ship internationally.
What order will we be shipping in?
When we export backer data from the BackerKit system, it includes a unique ID number based on when that backer’s account was created in BackerKit. That order seems to coincide roughly with the order of when pledges were placed, perhaps affected by any delays in Amazon’s attempts to process the credit cards. Whatever the factors involved, all things being equal, orders will be processed roughly in order of the ID number.
However, in many cases, all things will not be equal. In order to make our shipping more efficient and avoid errors as much as possible, outgoing packages will be grouped into like orders as best we can. That means, for example, all packages containing just the main boxed game will be packed at the same time. Once those are done, we may do a group of all the packages with just the main box and a Battle Foam Bag, etc. Most of these groups will be small enough that the order we pack them in won’t matter much, because they’ll probably all go out on the same day.
Primarily, the order in which most packages will be shipped will depend on which products we have in stock, vs which ones we’re waiting for the next container to resupply us with.
One thing I can say for certain is that, despite what some have feared or suggested, we absolutely WILL NOT take into consideration a backer’s vote on the Gen Con poll, or critical comments, or anything of the sort. Anyone who thinks we’d do that just doesn't know us at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 03:39:16
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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In the update: Here, look at all the empty boxes we have to ship your stuff in after we sell them to people at Gencon first
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 04:06:01
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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Important points they can't or didn't bother to address:
1) did the ship with Container 1 arrive at port this week as was scheduled?
2) is Container 2 en route yet? Given the 2 week journey across the ocean and what will likely be 1-2 weeks through unloading, customs and transit to the warehouse, even with a generous 3 week trip, they really need to have that thing on the water if they want it there the week they return from Gencon.
Plus, y'know, a dozen other things that remain unknown/outstanding, not to mention wave two, but while 1 remains such an unknown, I guess that's likely to be par for the course.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 20:29:06
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Regular Dakkanaut
Virginia, USA
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Looks like Robotech Academy has been canceled. I'm not surprised that they didn't make their 500000 dollar goal given the complete lack of info. I'm kind of surprised they got as high as 190000. I'm sure this isn't the last we've heard about it though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 21:25:54
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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I wish HG would go away and let someone with talent do something with rt while they allow macross in the west.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 19:18:38
Subject: Re:Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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So in the "other business" file, is anyone going to GenCon? I'm not looking to protest or anything, but it might be nice to meet some folks from the forum for an adult beverage or a game while I'm there for the weekend. Shoot me a PM or reply on here if you want.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 21:25:53
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Forar wrote:Important points they can't or didn't bother to address:
1) did the ship with Container 1 arrive at port this week as was scheduled?
2) is Container 2 en route yet? Given the 2 week journey across the ocean and what will likely be 1-2 weeks through unloading, customs and transit to the warehouse, even with a generous 3 week trip, they really need to have that thing on the water if they want it there the week they return from Gencon.
Plus, y'know, a dozen other things that remain unknown/outstanding, not to mention wave two, but while 1 remains such an unknown, I guess that's likely to be par for the course.
What, you don't think the next round will be "We really need you to vote to allow us to sell to distributors first! It's for the good of the game and things and stuff!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 22:28:10
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran
Toronto, Ontario
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Nah.
They do that and I'd start organizing the (rubber) pitchforks and (fake) torches for the mob.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/05 07:35:05
Subject: Robotech Kickstarter Funded at $1.44 Million!
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Using Inks and Washes
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You have got to be joking! With such an overwhelming "Yes" vote for this year, what makes you think that they will be able to see the need to go through the whole process again next year?
All they'll do is sell whatever they want/have available and when anyone complains, they'll just say "Well, we did poll the supporters who, with the exception of a few extremely negative individuals, gave us explicit permission to sell (whatever we have) at this event (in perpetuity)."
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"Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes…then all of this…all of this…was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars." Commander sinclair, Babylon 5.
Bobtheinquisitor wrote:what is going on with APAC shipping? If Macross Island were real, they'd be the last place to get any Robotechnology. |
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