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We are at one week until Gen Con and do we have any updates on the magic ship full of dreams?

One week to get through customs, drive across the US and be sorted and packed by Palladium's volunteers... and supposedly sending stuff to backers before making the trip to Gen Con.

Seeming just a bit doubtful.

Nah. If they do an update this week, it'll be interesting to see what it says.

Their estimate was to have the boxes in hand by the 8th, so I have a sneaking suspicion they'll wait until the 9th to say anything, if they speak up at all. Considering the clusterfeth that occurred, I could also see them just hiding under the veil of "omg Gencon is soooo busy!" and hoping everyone kind of forgets it happened.

It'll be interesting to see if it's actually at Gencon. I wonder if they'll actually work weekends to see it packed. For normal companies I would say yes, but for PB? Who knows

Here's a thread where you can post how you feel about PB and it's gross mishandling of RRT.

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=144337

Why go there when we have a perfectly serviceable thread here for just such a purpose, and without having to deal with unreasonable moderators and 'fan friends'?

Seriously, that forum is a cesspool.

 Forar wrote:
Why go there when we have a perfectly serviceable thread here for just such a purpose, and without having to deal with unreasonable moderators and 'fan friends'?
Seriously, that forum is a cesspool.

I hate it when you hold back like that, you could hurt yourself!

I held back many times of subscribing to that forum, the moderating has been demonstrated to be very... aggressive.

Still tempting to see how much of my posted content would be messed with until I would be banned altogether.

Will reiterate (regurgitate?) again: lied to on completion dates / readiness to ship in a couple months of kickstarter completion, tempted us with further models slated to wave 2 whenever that is, switched the shipping costs to increase as core bundles were added to, multiple sliding of dates, legitimate understandable difficulties causing the delays not divulged, I NEVER want to hear / read "mouth watering" in regard to models EVER again, rambling unicorn and rainbows missives that mean nothing disguised as "updates", selling to new customers to get more cash, er, correction: "exposure" since they already have our money, still treating the tabletop game like one of their RPG's rather than the "expert" Ninja's handling it (where are they now?). Rant, rant, rant, nothing really changed, same operation method Palladium always had, my mistake for thinking having others involved it will all be different. After this Palladium will not see a single dollar from me EVER. No rage, just plain old fool me once...

 Forar wrote:
Why go there when we have a perfectly serviceable thread here for just such a purpose, and without having to deal with unreasonable moderators and 'fan friends'?

Seriously, that forum is a cesspool.

Amen to that. I recently left a fb group because it was devolving into personal attacks for speaking out against PB. I frequent forums/groups for fun & I simply have no desire to continue going to one where logical valid complaints about the project are responded to with such things as bullying & then high fiving each other for being bullies. And guess who got bitched at/banned? Usually the people who fought back, thus the bullies praised the moderator for using the banhammer. *sigh* To be honest it's those very people & the rude response I got when I called PB that made me decide to sell off this game & never look back because I simply don't want to play a game that has that kind of community. I'll take X-Wing any day.

Back on T though, I noticed they have a single copy of the game they're supposedly showing "to everyone" & naturally "everyone" "just loves it" but unless I missed something we haven't been shown the game in all its glory yet just sprue shots. Why not do an unboxing video? Or If it's sealed stop feeding us BS about everyone loving it when what you really mean is everyone loved the friggin box.

 Forar wrote:
Why go there when we have a perfectly serviceable thread here for just such a purpose, and without having to deal with unreasonable moderators and 'fan friends'?

(Makes note to self - Getting soft. Amp up Unreasonable Moderation Efforts!)

All kidding aside, I'm surprised that they haven't announced success and/or failure in terms of their Gencon plans!

A little dose of hilarity:

http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=736%3Apalladium-booksr-weekly-update-august-7-2014&catid=52%3Aweekly-updates&Itemid=183

Basically, unless their container is the first one off the boat to be custom(ized?) they're not going to make it.

Oh, and stop being mean over release dates. It makes them sad. So they're going to stop giving them. Because they're children.

Merijeek wrote:
A little dose of hilarity:

http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=736%3Apalladium-booksr-weekly-update-august-7-2014&catid=52%3Aweekly-updates&Itemid=183

Basically, unless their container is the first one off the boat to be custom(ized?) they're not going to make it.

Oh, and stop being mean over release dates. It makes them sad. So they're going to stop giving them. Because they're children.

I just got done reading this bit update, which as an aside should have been told to the backers not on their website or the fact that the shipment was actually on a boat. Gods, this update actually made me laugh about this whole thing.

I mean really, you can't catch a break? I believe we can call that karma for most of this lack of communication.

Edit correction. It looks like they changed some of their wording on the KS update. How awesome of them to act one way on their website and another on someone else's website.

This is my favorite line

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two

Considering how we are jumped on and ridiculed every time a projected release date is offered and then pushed back, or we face a delay, we are not committing to any specific release date for Wave Two until we have a fairly solid and realistic one from the manufacturing end of things.

http://countingdownto.com/countdown/palladium-s-gencon-robotech-mutually-assured-destruction-pact-countdown-clock

KABOOM!



I unsubscribed from this thread weeks ago when the vote started as I simply didn't want to be disappointed and frustrated so frequently but this latest update got me to want to post again. This is literally the first time a Robotech update has brought a smile to my face since May 20, 2013. Palladium, you tried to screw over the people who MOST believed in you and the project... and Locker Room of the Universe's response is to towel snap you in the jimmy! This is called karma and you most definitely deserve this for all the crap you've tried to and actually succeeded in pulling over the past year.

This is the best update all year, time the universe dealt some justice to those greedy, lying twits. After all the crap they've been putting the backers through I'm glad that they won't have any stock in time for Gen Con.

Talk about incompetence....

Will they ever catch on that they are total jokes? Or will the continue to go through life thinking they are epic awesome-sauce?

Palladium is the Uncle Rico of gaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtiCfJzxelo

They... they should've sent a poet...

I guess it is a new sense of openness with the government or possibly due to that Customs and Border Patrol TV show on the Discovery channel but I've actually found security camera footage of the container and the reason it was flagged for inspection. It appears there were several illegal immigrants on board being smuggled into the US.

 warboss wrote:
I guess it is a new sense of openness with the government or possibly due to that Customs and Border Patrol TV show on the Discovery channel but I've actually found security camera footage of the container and the reason it was flagged for inspection. It appears there were several illegal immigrants on board being smuggled into the US.

Spoiler:

It appears some Zentraedi infantry didn't want to wait until the nebulous wave 2 date to be shipped over and decided to hitch a ride with the core boxes. When asked why they broke the law, they said "We just came over for a better life... selling Minmei dolls from a street cart!"

This is what winning the internet looks like.

I'm glad they'll be running demos all weekend for a game that they can't sell you while your interest is at the highest.

I swore off following this cluster feth a while ago, but then curiosity got the better of me and I checked in here...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Seriously, I'm sitting at my desk at work laughing. A couple of people have walked past me and asked me what I was reading, and unable to explain it to them I was looked at like I was insane. That's okay though, as Palladium hath been smoted for their underhanded ways.

Serves them right.

Wonder why there were no shots of sprues, no rulesbook, or an unboxing video? Just like the plans for Gen Con it's always been just an empty box....

"Our customs broker tells us that in his experience, this usually takes 7-14 business days."

I've had a few KS delayed by customs, and it certainly *felt* longer. The problem is that customs doesn't FIFO its inspections. Some inspections, such as medical instruments, are a higher priority. Given that these Robotech figures are "toys and games", they may be sitting in customs for a good while. Reaper Bones were in customs, and Reaper Bryan said, "Previous shipments from China in the 6 years we have been working with them have had 2 day turnarounds and turnarounds of longer than 4 weeks."

While I don't hold the customs delay itself against Palladium, this is more classic n00b project management for plastic miniatures projects. Cthulhu Wars and Arkham Horror dice are first-time projects and had them as well. You can also tell inexperience with these projects when the project manager passes on to backers the production and delivery dates the plastics manufacturer gives him...!

This is for Kendachi, Morgan, and anyone else who has even glanced within the cesspool.

Merijeek wrote:
A little dose of hilarity:

http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=736%3Apalladium-booksr-weekly-update-august-7-2014&catid=52%3Aweekly-updates&Itemid=183

Basically, unless their container is the first one off the boat to be custom(ized?) they're not going to make it.

Oh, and stop being mean over release dates. It makes them sad. So they're going to stop giving them. Because they're children.

Any chance someone could copy paste the text over?

Work blocked and would like to revel in the karma/have a good chuckle..........

Any chance someone could copy paste the text over?

Work blocked and would like to revel in the karma/have a good chuckle..........

Here you go:

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave One

We can’t seem to catch a break with Robotech® RPG Tactics™.

The ship carrying the first container of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ arrived right on time. Under normal circumstances, Palladium would have received it this Friday and begun shipping it out. One problem: US Customs. Though we were told there is only a 15% chance of our container being tagged by Customs for random inspection, as Fate would have it, we have been tagged. It usually takes Customs 7-14 business days to get to a container, inspect it and clear it.

We were devastated by the news. That means it is extremely unlikely that we will have the Robotech® RPG Tactics™ products in time for Gen Con. It also means we cannot start shipping until the darn thing clears Customs and that could be 2-3 weeks from now (you have to factor in shipping time from Los Angeles to Westland, Michigan on top of the two weeks Customs could hold the container). I was out of the office when the news came. When I got back, Wayne and Jeff looked sad and dejected when they gave me the news. We were all crushed. We went through so much effort to get the container to the USA as fast as possible to start shipping to our backers and to have it in time for Gen Con Indy. Now this.

We need a small miracle to have it in time for Gen Con Indy. That miracle being the container is one of the first to be inspected, cleared and released by Monday or Tuesday of next week. Not likely. Our Customs broker has provided all the necessary paperwork, pled our case, and we have made arrangements for expedited shipping.

If the miracle does happen, Jeff Burke and Matthew Clements are great guys, so they are willing to wait back home and miss the first two days of Gen Con to accept delivery while the rest of the Gen Con team are in Indiana. Jeff and Matt will then truck a few hundred boxes to Gen Con so we can have some for Saturday and Sunday. We have even reserved a rental truck just in case that miracle happens. HOWEVER, that is NOT likely to happen. Sorry. I meant it when I said we would need a small miracle. According to our broker, a fast turnaround would put the container arriving a day or two AFTER Gen Con. A slow turnaround, would put it arriving sometime between August 20 and August 29. Sucks, I know.

We are trying to make the best of the situation. It’s only another two weeks or so delay (arrrgh) and the game looks fantastic. We had China express mail us a couple more box games for display at Gen Con, plus there will be more than 100 painted and unpainted game pieces on display, and demos running all weekend. We think once gamers see this game it will blow out of stores fast. To guarantee people get the product they want, we will take pre-order sales for Wave One retail items (NOT Kickstarter exclusive game pieces) at Gen Con. Of course, you can order from the Palladium online store, too. All pre-orders, whether placed at Gen Con or on the Palladium online store, will be shipped immediately after the Kickstarter backers, and are likely to arrive shortly before the product begins to hit store shelves. Note: In the USA, most Wave One items will be shipped via UPS.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave One on Display at Gen Con

Like I said, we will have more than 100 painted Robotech® RPG Tactics™ game pieces on display and in the demos. We will be running demos non-stop throughout the convention weekend. You will also be able to see the boxed game, rule book, four expansion packs, ask questions and place pre-orders.

Robotech® RPG titles, new releases, and all of Palladium’s other game products, plus select speciality items, collectibles, convention specials, original artwork, art prints, writers, artists and staff will be available for your enjoyment. Please come on over to visit and get autographs. And as I said in past Updates, we look forward to shaking the hands of some of our many Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Kickstarter backers and thanking them in person. So come on down.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two

Considering how we are jumped on and ridiculed every time a projected release date is offered and then pushed back, or we face a delay, we are not committing to any specific release date for Wave Two until we have a fairly solid and realistic one from the manufacturing end of things.

That said, Wayne and Jeff had a conference call with our development partners, Ninja Division, to discuss Wave Two just Tuesday. We have, of course, never stopped making plans for the release of Wave Two items, as well as discussing ideas for future releases of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ products. The possibilities for the future of this game line are nothing short of fantastic and exciting as all get out.

Right now, the manufacturer and Palladium Books are very much focused on finishing the manufacturing of Wave One products and getting them shipped to the USA. Then we will be focused on the massive shipping operation to get product shipped to our 5,000+ Kickstarter backers (we estimate that will be something like 7,000-10,000 packages!) and then to our distributors.

I’m dying for the Monster, myself (it is gorgeous and one of my all-time favorite mecha). And the Zentraedi foot soldiers. And the YF-4. And the Jotun, and . . . well, everything! It’s all coming.

So they are sending out 7-10K packages to 5K+ backers? That has to include the fact that they are shipping in two waves now, right? ..... right? Guys, please stop laughing at me!

God, the shipping costs alone could crucify them which makes me think I ought to hold on to my pledge. All the special characters, plus the resin SDF-1 and I paid a grand total of $8 shipping TO THE UK! Before the campaign finished, I asked if I needed to add on the shipping for each extra that I wanted, to be told "No, you just pay shipping on your base pledge" - which was "A New Dawn" for the Rick Hunter model. To which I added Khyron, Mirya, and the other special VT, and the resin SDF-1. That's a lot of stuff shipped internationally for $8.

Especially if they come back in 6 months and let us know they are splitting wave 2 into resin items in the new wave 2, and plastics will be in wave 3 (or probably vice versa, they won't be able to sell the resin stuff afterward, so getting the other plastics into production sooner means more income for them. I still don't understand why they couldn't have had the resin stuff being produced at the same time as the plastics.

Oh, wait, that's right. They were working 36 hours a day as it was. Having to approve sculpts on the resin stuff as well would have meant working 48 hours a day. Or having 6 whole people on the job, not just 5 and Kevin.

Thank you kindly!

You mean people are making fun of them for constantly missing release dates? Say it ain't so -_- So instead of missing release dates, we'll have no release dates. That'll make people feel a lot more confident this isn't vaporware.

I think 'jumped on' and 'ridiculed' can now join "shamefully negative" in the lexicon of KS Dakka 'go to phrases'!

It's good that they're learning lessons here, it's a shame they're not paying close enough attention.

The lesson here is not 'omg we give dates and then people are mean to us so we'll stop giving dates!' (though that probably isn't a terrible idea, working within their limitations)

It's that they should be aiming for more accurate dates (and if they need to push it back 4 times across 9 months, that clearly wasn't a very accurate date) AND to actually explain what is going on behind the scenes.

When they tell us that everything is rainbows and sunshine for months on end, I do not want to hear 'omg you guyz this gak is haaaaard!'

But if you spend those months saying "hey, progress is being made, X is done, Y is progressing nicely (see picture here), Z needs a ton of work (see picture here with areas circled showing off sections that are not up to par), the factory is tweaking the mill this week, etc, etc" I think people would be a lot more charitable.

It's not the delays that are killing them here. It's the blind "golly gee shucks guys, everything's just so swell!" optimism that is apparently only reigned in by the harsh fist of reality.

And me.

I am personally responsible for its failings, or so some of the donkey caves out there seem to believe.

BOW BEFORE ME, LEST YOU KNOW MY WRATH!

 Forar wrote:

And me.

I am personally responsible for its failings, or so some of the donkey caves out there seem to believe.

BOW BEFORE ME, LEST YOU KNOW MY WRATH!

Been lurking the thread for months and glad you have accepted responsibility for me not getting my toys! :p

Joking aside, it's annoying as hell they are not even going to attempt to establish any kind of release date for the second wave. Do they really think that people (bar Kevin and his BFF's) are going to be happy just waiting for a product that will turn up sometime randomly in the future?

I fully agree with a lot of what you saying Forar, if they had been up front and just showed progress rather than ramping expectations up of when we would get i'd have a lot more time for them. Now i just chuckle to myself when they promise anything with a "oh Palladium...when will you learn...."

Edited for shocking grammar!