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Small blessings

Nah. If I wanted to design a game I'd be doing it already.

Spending countless hours tweaking, adjusting, making consistent and outright fixing PB games is one thing when your 20. It's another a decade and a half later. I've already got a career, don't really want a second one.

Which is why I was so happy to hear that ND were supposed to be doing a bunch of the heavy lifting. How naive I was.

Turns out someone at catalyst games spoke to a backer about nd. Turns out nd is distancing themselves from PB. The reason is PB has hampered nd with pb's constant edits. It's on FB. It doesn't have the share option and it won't let me copy an past. At least my initial suspicion about PB taking over was dead on, so it seems.

I completely get the frustration here with the "official" label when it simply isn't official yet & by your own admission Mike, parts of it are not. That can come off as misleading. Not to mention your refusal to rename them. I don't think getting defensive is the answer tbh. Perhaps step back & look at it from the other side. It's like releasing a pirated Deff Leppard album with a song your garage tribute band recorded on there as well & then claiming the album is original. Now you're band may sound great & even like deff leppard but they aren't deff leppard. So why not leave the original as-is & call them official then title the ones with your additions as modified?

Then everyone wins & there's no confusion. Unless PB actually incorporates your ideas no matter how closely you might or might not work with them, they just aren't official. Just like if gw liked my idea for a rough rider platoon & even ran it in games in studio, unless published with their stamp on it it cannot be official.

So anyone want to write an "official" set of 40k rules that I can also ignore?

Not to pick on your stuff but why would I want to bother with trying to figure out a set of fan rules? Everybody will want to use the standard set (ie real official rules) that palladium publishes. (which I'm assuming is going to be absolute crap at this point)

I suppose if I had a majorly enhanced Robotech RPG Tactics boner it might have helped pass the wait over the last year and half, but my interest in the game has really waned as a result of the piss poor treatment of their kickstarter. My battlecry is going up on ebay the minute it arrives, so at this point I won't even be bothering with the real rules let alone a fan set. Unless you are intending to create intentional confusion with the incoming RRT crapfest, you really should nix the "official" bit from the tag line, or at the very least put it in quotes.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Turns out someone at catalyst games spoke to a backer about nd. Turns out nd is distancing themselves from PB. The reason is PB has hampered nd with pb's constant edits. It's on FB. It doesn't have the share option and it won't let me copy an past. At least my initial suspicion about PB taking over was dead on, so it seems.

That is incredibly sad to hear. PB being PB is going to kill the game. Should have just let ND do their job instead of lying to all the backers when you said at the onset of the project that you were hands off and just approving things to pass on to HG. It will kill what could have been a really fun game.

 Red_Starrise wrote:
I completely get the frustration here with the "official" label when it simply isn't official yet & by your own admission Mike, parts of it are not. That can come off as misleading. Not to mention your refusal to rename them. I don't think getting defensive is the answer tbh. Perhaps step back & look at it from the other side. It's like releasing a pirated Deff Leppard album with a song your garage tribute band recorded on there as well & then claiming the album is original. Now you're band may sound great & even like deff leppard but they aren't deff leppard. So why not leave the original as-is & call them official then title the ones with your additions as modified?

Then everyone wins & there's no confusion. Unless PB actually incorporates your ideas no matter how closely you might or might not work with them, they just aren't official. Just like if gw liked my idea for a rough rider platoon & even ran it in games in studio, unless published with their stamp on it it cannot be official.

Oh I understand, but I'll keep it as is because I honestly have had more people ask for ONE unit, the VF-1J than have complained about it not being Official. I'll add a cover sheet saying that the VF-1J are added for continuity but are not official for the game. All the rest are the exact same as the game stats with upgrades and all.


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 stanman wrote:
So anyone want to write an "official" set of 40k rules that I can also ignore?

Not to pick on your stuff but why would I want to bother with trying to figure out a set of fan rules? Everybody will want to use the standard set (ie real official rules) that palladium publishes. (which I'm assuming is going to be absolute crap at this point)

I suppose if I had a majorly enhanced Robotech RPG Tactics boner it might have helped pass the wait over the last year and half, but my interest in the game has really waned as a result of the piss poor treatment of their kickstarter. My battlecry is going up on ebay the minute it arrives, so at this point I won't even be bothering with the real rules let alone a fan set. Unless you are intending to create intentional confusion with the incoming RRT crapfest, you really should nix the "official" bit from the tag line, or at the very least put it in quotes.

Simple, my cards use the official stats and many prefer their setup to the PB one. I added ONE unit, the VF-1J and had several requests to do so. I have all my stats on one card, you have to use a few cards and swap back and forth until you know the stats pretty well with the PB cards. Since your is going on ebay, there is no point for you to worry either way though.

Did 99% of your real fans tell you this?

Are your rules 98% done, too?

Are you sure you aren't Kevin Sembieda?

Who is Kaiser Soze?

Also Red_Starise, what version of 40k? 2nd Ed, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th , 6.5 or 7?


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vitae_drinker wrote:
Did 99% of your real fans tell you this?

Are your rules 98% done, too?

Are you sure you aren't Kevin Sembieda?

Who is Kaiser Soze?

I have a set of the official stats and rules from a few months ago. These are not fan-based but based off of those. Are you sure you know what you are talking about? I wonder.


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 Forar wrote:
Nah. If I wanted to design a game I'd be doing it already.

Spending countless hours tweaking, adjusting, making consistent and outright fixing PB games is one thing when your 20. It's another a decade and a half later. I've already got a career, don't really want a second one.

Which is why I was so happy to hear that ND were supposed to be doing a bunch of the heavy lifting. How naive I was.

Completely agreed, I thought ND would be doing the heavy lifting with PB in the background only. That is why I bought into the KS. I wish it really was that way sometimes.

Mike you don't have the current rules, you have an older copy so

anywhoo, most game stores I go to do not allow house rules (too many fights) a couple stores might allow stand ins but only if all parties involved allow it and its not a 100% stand in army (maybe 2% at most is allowable)

I have one from May 2014

Mike1975 wrote:
I have one from May 2014

you have an altered version, something tells me you are in for a big surprise Michael, a very big surprise.

I've heard that before, but unless someone can tell me how they magically have this super secret inside information, I'll believe it when I see it.

Mike1975 wrote:
I've heard that before, but unless someone can tell me how they magically have this super secret inside information, I'll believe it when I see it.

Told you I have my magic crystal ball, the one you made fun of last time when I said the container was held up in customs

same answer as on the FB page

lol, I never said that would not happen, I just did not profess it as a given. When you profess everything is going to go wrong Murphy will prove you right eventually. That does not make you always right.

Mike and Rick, do you really need to have the same bloody argument across three seperate forums. I read enough of this back and forth crap on the FB and KS sites.

 Forar wrote:
As much as I respect the time that goes into designing a rules set, so far I'm 0/2 out of the fan versions I've seen.
I have a sneaking suspicion I'm going to have to write this one from the ground up.
Edit; which of course is fairly fitting for a Palladium game.

Just "forge the narrative" and use the Robotech RPG stats as a basis, I am sure that is how it will play at Gencon.
Or use as many existing stats you can from Battletech and extrapolate the rest.

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Prediction is that Palladium messes up the rules for the game since they cannot get out of the RPG mindset.
Mike's rules may come in handy for those fan-based games at my local/annual Hotlead where many home-brew games are showcased as well as official.

I too want a "Pick-up-game" rule set where it is universal, I just think that thought process will not be there.
Anyone able to get Gencon: have fun and let us know how the rules go, I really hope I am wrong.

 Talizvar wrote:
I too want a "Pick-up-game" rule set where it is universal, I just think that thought process will not be there.
Anyone able to get Gencon: have fun and let us know how the rules go, I really hope I am wrong.

I'll try, but there's tons of companies I'm looking to hit up before I even consider going to PB's booth.

 Platuan4th wrote:
I'll try, but there's tons of companies I'm looking to hit up before I even consider going to PB's booth.

Then at the very least hit Fantasy Flight for Star Wars: Armada! Oh! and X-com the board game!

 Talizvar wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
I'll try, but there's tons of companies I'm looking to hit up before I even consider going to PB's booth.

Then at the very least hit Fantasy Flight for Star Wars: Armada! Oh! and X-com the board game!

Like there was a chance that wasn't happening.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
I too want a "Pick-up-game" rule set where it is universal, I just think that thought process will not be there.
Anyone able to get Gencon: have fun and let us know how the rules go, I really hope I am wrong.

I'll try, but there's tons of companies I'm looking to hit up before I even consider going to PB's booth.

Please tape it.

Gencon is in two days - this is going to be...

...epic!

 Alpharius wrote:
Gencon is in two days - this is going to be...

...epic!

I give it a 98% chance of epicness and a 2% chance of failure.

And a 100% chance for EPIC FAILURE?!?

98% is the highest odds of success allowed in PB RPGs. Which makes 98% effectively 100%.

MIND. BLOWN.

.... *jazz hands*

Nicely done!

I really am looking forward to all of the various Gencon reports.

But especially this one!

 Forar wrote:
98% is the highest odds of success allowed in PB RPGs. Which makes 98% effectively 100%.

MIND. BLOWN.

.... *jazz hands*

Exactly. Which makes the 98% done crap from early in the campaign even funnier.

And tomorrow....IS GENCON 2014!!!

Looking forward to the show! Remember if you visit the PB booth please tape it and ask hard questions.

If I were going I would go spend $500 on GW stuff (dunno if they offer discounts there or not through the various vendors), show up to PB's booth, and tell them that I just purchased all those items with the money I (hope) to get by hocking my kickstarter stuff on Ebay once I get it.