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well than that's your problem slacker. Get to reading.


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Ok. so were the Quadronos the unit lead by Miriya specifically OR was it the forces led in all by Azonia? If the former, what was the name for the units lead by Azonia as a whole?


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Azonia Laplamis was the highest-ranking female in the Zentraedi fleet. She had a superior attitude over everyone and a very clever, sly personality. She was a strong, capable fighter and a good combat strategist, but when in command had some trouble controlling her underlings. She was known to constantly argue with Khyron when he would disobey her orders, and she even used threats on his life to keep him in line. Azonia was initially called in to relieve Breetai's command when Dolza thought Breetai was failing in his mission to capture the SDF-1. After he was returned to his command, Azonia and her Quadrono Battalion stayed to help in the mission.

The superior females in their agile, deadly Queadlunn-Rau (female powered armour) were a great asset in the war, as they were the mecha most capable of standing up against the Valkyrie fighters. The Quadronos joined with Breetai and the SDF-1 against Dolza's main fleet. Khyron rescued her when her ship was disabled, and they fell in love while hiding out in Alaska and waiting for the right opportunity to attack. She helped in the unsuccessful plot to trade Minmei and Kyle for the SDF-1, and the more successful attack on Macross City when Khyron captured the protoculture cell and blew up the city. In that battle she faced off against her former ally, Miriya Parino, and seemed surprisingly almost equal to her in ability. Azonia went along with Khyron's change of plans to attack the SDF-1 rather than return to the Masters for reinforcements. Their cruiser was disabled by a final blast of the SDF-1's main gun, and the two died hand in hand as they rammed the ship into the damaged fortress.



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http://www.absoluteanime.com/robotech/azonia.htm

Mike1975 wrote:
well than that's your problem slacker. Get to reading.


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Ok. so were the Quadronos the unit lead by Miriya specifically OR was it the forces led in all by Azonia? If the former, what was the name for the units lead by Azonia as a whole?

I *think* it was Millia's specific unit. But I'm not certain.

I notice Eumerin keeps posting about Milia rather than Miriya. Is the implication that the Zentraedi words (e.g., Quaedluun-Rau) are from Macross rather than RoboTech?

 judgedoug wrote:
Now I'm quite looking forward to getting my pledge and trying out the rules and perhaps purchasing models from those who are still unhappy.

I still don't think that's what you really should be hoping for, but hey, whatever!

Why not? It means those who want absolutely nothing to do with RRT recoup at least some of their expenditure and that those who want more RRT stuff can get it for lower than online retailer discount. That's an efficient market.

Do you mean we should all be hoping RRT becomes one of the most popular miniatures war game out there? I don't think that or anything even close was ever possible much less after a year of backers getting more and more worked up over PB's constant blunders and disingenuity.

I have no doubt that some who have moaned the loudest will flip back to being as enthusiastic as they were when the KS was being funded. That doesn't strike me as a good thing, given they are just as likely to flip back to debbie downers once they remember Wave 2 is yet to come or when novelty otherwise wears off of Wave 1, or TBH any number of other possibilities, such as a "I told you so" message from PB/Kevin in the face of an upswing in positive sentiment.

 Manchu wrote:
I notice Eumerin keeps posting about Milia rather than Miriya. Is the implication that the Zentraedi words (e.g., Quaedluun-Rau) are from Macross rather than RoboTech?

Apart from a few character name changes, Robotech defaults upon SDF Macross (and SDCSC and GCM) for background material not explicitly mentioned (see Robotech Art 1 and a variety of Macek interviews over the years).
Hence Valkyries still being called Valkyries in Robotech (and Defenders being called Defenders, and Regults being called Regults, explicity in the Robotech/English dialogue), the addition of the "Veritech" added to the Valkyrie, Spartas, AGACS, Logan, Alpha/Beta (Legioss/Tread) as a unifying element across the disparate for the human-designed transformable mecha. IIRC in Robotech there is some dialog either spoken by Azonia or Miriya about the Quadrono, I'd have to go back and check the dialogue. Probably around episode 12, 18, or 24.

 Manchu wrote:
Why not? It means those who want absolutely nothing to do with RRT recoup at least some of their expenditure and that those who want more RRT stuff can get it for lower than online retailer discount. That's an efficient market.

Do you mean we should all be hoping RRT becomes one of the most popular miniatures war game out there? I don't think that or anything even close was ever possible much less after a year of backers getting more and more worked up over PB's constant blunders and disingenuity.

I have no doubt that some who have moaned the loudest will flip back to being as enthusiastic as they were when the KS was being funded. That doesn't strike me as a good thing, given they are just as likely to flip back to debbie downers once they remember Wave 2 is yet to come or when novelty otherwise wears off of Wave 1, or TBH any number of other possibilities, such as a "I told you so" message from PB/Kevin in the face of an upswing in positive sentiment.

You're probably right there!

I'll tell you what though - once the Force Five RPG Tactics game gets Kickstartered, I'll be all in there, no matter what!

 judgedoug wrote:
IIRC in Robotech there is some dialog either spoken by Azonia or Miriya about the Quadrono, I'd have to go back and check the dialogue. Probably around episode 12, 18, or 24.

I'll take any excuse to watch specific episodes of RoboTech.

 Alpharius wrote:
once the Force Five RPG Tactics game gets Kickstartered, I'll be all in there, no matter what!

Same for me regarding Voltron. (NB: There was a Voltron-skinned Monsterpocalypse set a few years ago.)

 Manchu wrote:
I notice Eumerin keeps posting about Milia rather than Miriya. Is the implication that the Zentraedi words (e.g., Quaedluun-Rau) are from Macross rather than RoboTech?

With a few key exceptions (for instance, the definition of Protoculture), the lore for the Macross portion of Robotech is essentially identical to the SDF: Macross TV series. It's not until Southern Cross that they had to start introducing massive changes to the plotline and background lore. AFAIK, all Zentraedi wargear in Robotech has the same name as it does in Macross - albeit also with more colloquial names that refer to its purpose or function (for instance, "Female Power Armor"). Essentially, if the term was used for alien stuff in Macross, then the same term is probably used for the exact same thing in Robotech (notable exception, once again, for Protoculture).

This makes a lot of sense, btw. It meant that the storywriters could focus on the areas that needed to have changes (i.e. the Southern Cross and Mospeada sections, which needed to be rewritten to accommodate the new background and location), and save time by not changing the Macross background anymore than was absolutely needed for the new plot.


The human side of things is somewhat different as far as names are concerned. This is most obvious with the Destroids. Most of the Destroids have model names that were used in Macross... but the names have been shuffled around for some reason. For instance, a Spartan in Macross is the Destroid with two hands. A Spartan in Robotech is the Destroid that replaces its arms with massive missile pods.

Eumerin wrote:

The human side of things is somewhat different as far as names are concerned. This is most obvious with the Destroids. Most of the Destroids have model names that were used in Macross... but the names have been shuffled around for some reason. For instance, a Spartan in Macross is the Destroid with two hands. A Spartan in Robotech is the Destroid that replaces its arms with massive missile pods.

Those names were only used by Matchbox - due to the co-licensing agreement between Revell and Harmony Gold and are also non-canon. Revell was already releasing import Macross (and Orguss and Dougram etc) model kits in the USA. When Harmony Gold licensed Macross, they had to enter into a co-licensing agreement with Revell to utilize the designs in their marketing. One of the stipulations was that Harmony Gold had to include the "Robotech" name branding, which is where the name Robotech for the series came from. Revell had yet to release the Macross destroids (under it's "Robotech Defenders" model kit line, which, to add to brand confusion, had it's own comic series released by DC) but had already decided upon the names - Gladiator, Raidar X, Excalibur, Spartan, etc - which Matchbox then used for the Robotech toys. To make matters worse, the early Palladium RPG used the Matchbox toy names, further exacerbating the error. For example, Destroid Defenders are referred to as Destroid Defenders in the Robotech series dialogue, and not by the Revell/Matchbox name "Raidar X". Thankfully later editions of the Robotech RPG corrected this and the official Robotech infopedia from Harmony Gold also lists the correct Macross names (with a nota bene of "also known as" with the Revell/Matchbox names), but there still exists the Revell/Matchbox naming conventions amongst unaware fans but not in any official capacity (and thankfully it's not as pervasive as it was in the 90's)

Came across these, thought you guys might be interested: Macross & Skull Squadron patches

http://www.hlj.com/scripts/hljlist?SeriesID=934&Maker1=CSP&Word=Patch

Very cool! Thanks!

 Talizvar wrote:

Wonder how the shipping equipment upgrades are going...

*Bought 4 tape guns and a box of 36 rolls of tape*

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 Talizvar wrote:

Wonder how the shipping equipment upgrades are going...

*Bought 4 tape guns and a box of 36 rolls of tape*

Shouldn't that be "Bought a NEW tape gun and a ROLL of better, branded tape"?

I can't wait until they start using the excuses of "well we're not professional packers..." as their new shield against being inept.

Look, packing books into boxes and packing smaller boxes into boxes are entirely different disciplines.

>.>

 Manchu wrote:
(NB: There was a Voltron-skinned Monsterpocalypse set a few years ago.)

And it's a fun little set, although I wish they'd given you more units for each side so you could have a full in faction 15 and included a full size MonPoc map as well as the small Fleet of Doom themed map.

Ok here's what was posted on the ks in regards to the MA who quit and how things went down at GC. This was posted by Jorel for Gary. Looks like PB did go the cheap route to avoid paying for tables.


Originally GenCon organization was done for Palladium by a friend of Kevin's. He began the year doing it and found he couldn't do it, so Gary Miller aka ingexthefuryhunter1 on FotM stepped in to handle it. According to Gary he has 14 yrs experience organizing cons and working with them on the West coast. Gary had been helped in coordinating the event with NMI an had contacted Derek Gunter head of organizing GenCon several times. At that point and time Gary was only in charge of organizing RPGs and had no RRT games scheduled. Not even Phaze/Pat's.

To elaborate Gary talked to Gencon on getting Palladium there own room so as to properly showcase the companies systems but Palladium did not seem to want to pay like the other game companies at GenCon. According to Gary if Palladium went over more than 5 tables in the room it would have been cost the company as then Gencon would charge the company a room fee. Which is at least a thousand dollars. It would get them their own room, but it would cost them. Apparently the cost of a table in the Miniature gaming area was also a minimun of a thousand dollars. So Palladium went with the cheapest option to promote RRT, the free one and took the 5 table option. That room ended up being a mile walk from the booth. According to Gary those 5 tables were full almost the entire GenCon weekend, and according to Gary, Kevin and NMI did not frequent the RPG gaming room at all not even to drop off Prize Support for the MAs and their players. Gary said he even went out of his way to acquire a rectangular table to accommodate Phaze/Pats RRT games as all the tables in that room were round. Back to the preGenCon...

After this had all been arranged by Gary Miller for Palladium, he had a small heart attack in February of 2014. Because of his health issues he passed on the work of organizing to NMI. NMI took over and made one phone call to Derek Gunter who in turn called Gary and said, "Don't have that donkey-cave ever call me again." Even though Gary was sick he continued to coordinate. At this point he had never even talked to Kevin about GenCon, only NMI. When he finally talked to Kevin it was on a conference call with NMI and the other coordinators. From the sound of it Kevin demanded better communication of Gary and wanted accountability and emails to know how often he was trying to contact the GenCon organizers.

When GenCon rolled around Gary was still in communication with Derek Gunter. He went to board his flight and it was delayed something like 4 hrs. I think he said he got in at 8:30 on the Wed. As soon as the delay was announced he texted NMI that he was going to be late. To which NMI immediately called Kevin and blew gak out of proproportion. Instead of asking how he could help from this delay like getting Prize Support to the Wed. gamers. NMI never did that. Gary contacted Derek Gunter to make sure the badges needed to get into things were taken care of and Derek assured him they wouldn't even need to pick them up til the next morning. Gary then called Palladiums office and tried to relay this information to Kevin as NMI had called Kevin directly. After leaving the message with the office. his phone died. When he got to the convention center at 8:55 and plugged in his phone there was a nasty message from NMI claiming Kevin couldn't get thier badges and Kevin wasn't pleased. Gary later said Kevin admitted saying he was "Kevin the owner of Palladium" and they should have his badge to which they couldn't find them. Gary explained at that point to Kevin that the Badges were under the name "Megaversal Ambassadors" and he was named as the sponsor. Kevin never mentioned that word to the GenCon people as far as Gary is aware. On the Wed when he arrived he spoke to Derek Gunter to confirm that the badges were there and that indeed they did not need to get them til the next morning. Atfer NMI left him another offensive message, cursing at him and demanding Gary bring the badges and greet Kevin, "bringing flowers and roses" when he gets there in the morning as Kevin is not happy on the badges issue. even After Gary contacted Alex back at the office (cause he never had Kevin's #) and clarified what was happening in the AM and that they could get their badges then. Alex told him Gary had called and it was something to do with the badges which Kevin assumed was the same message Nmi had given him.

Gary got there at 6am on Thursday, got the badges, and starts working the RPG room. He swaps out a round table for the necessary rectangle one for the RRT game that was not in the original lineup he had planned, remember he was not brought in on that fiasco until closer to GenCon. After making sure the games were running and taking the tickets and such. Gary gets another call from NMI around 9am, telling him to come down to the Booth an meet Kevin. He walks the mile and gets there to find out the hall isn't open til 10 and he doesn't have the proper pass to gain early access. At about 9:40 NMI contacts him and tells him to meet them back at the RPG Gm Badge room. So he hustles there to meet them. I He meets them there and said every time he ever saw NMI there it was glued to Kevin's side. He never took time out to help out in the RPG gaming area, even though he was a Megaversal Ambassador. Every time Gary needed help with anything or needed Prize Support or whatever, he had to trek that mile to the booth to deal with Kevin and NMI.Which caused issues on Thursday night, as the booth closed at 6 p.m. And no one called Gary to inform him they where headed home did he need anything, So when Gary noticed he was down to low support for the last game, He went to get it and found it closed, He then called NMI who had already left for the day, having got there at 9 a.m, So gary did what any honest person would do and told the room that he he couldnt get prize support from the company and to please collect any names and emails from those effected and they would be able to get them picked up at the booth in the A.M.,
All NMI really even was asked to do was help get Prize Support to people and Kevin blamed Gary for the dropped ball on the Wed gamers when his flight was delayed. There was no communication between the people at the booth and the game room the rest of that Thursday.

On Saturday Gary went to the booth around noon to pick up more Prize Support. He later found out that Kevin or NMI had already been giving Prize Support to the Freelancers working games under Gary in the game room without Gary knowing because the booth had heard they where not getting prize support, can some one say WED games.

In order to do the Prize Support Gary had come up with a system on his tablet where he went around 5-10 minutes before the game ended and did a small interview with the table of player before giving them all Prize Support. He would fill out a survey for every table and save it and them some time. On Sunday NMI called him again freaking out, claiming NMI had tons of paper surveys they printed out that gary needed to be filling out. Instead of asking Gary his plans they all made assumptions and expected various results. Sunday ran pretty smoothly and Gary got on his flight home.

When Gary got there he was met with an email from NMI about how he, Gary was the problem and how he could fix HIS communication problems. He contacted the one other MA coordinator and told that guy he was considering quiting. That guy called Kevin and told Kevin he thought Gary was a valuable asset and would be a huge loss. Kevin supposedly said that he didn't want someone with Gary's issues with communication representing them any more, and wants him to step down. So Gary quit.

In regards to Robotech RPG Tactics Gary wanted us to know that he thought it would have served Palladium just as well to actually have one of the 3 game boxes in the Gaming Room where all those people could see it and motivate people that payed to actually play the RRT game Phaze/Pat was running as they were just as likely future customers as anyone wandering past the booth. Carmen Ballaire was given a ton of the RRT miniatures to run his own game he was promoting that wasn't RRT or even a Palladium product. It was some mech board game that utilized cards to power up mechs, according to Gary. As a result of all the painted pieces behind glass that weren't being used and the demo games alongside Carmens game that left Phaze/Pat with only a few game pieces to run his games in the RPG game room. A lot less than he had intented for his map terrain that showed in many peoples words a hell of a lot better than the one at the booth.

Where was this game room?

 Manchu wrote:
Where was this game room?

"Location: Embassy Suites - Chancellor 2 - 5"
From the gencon website.
And a link to the Embassy Suites map-
http://www.gencon.com/m/map/7/Embassy%20Suites

This "NMI" character doesn't seem to ever be someone you'd like to meet/have working with you/etc.

Is there some sort of summary somewhere of just who he is and what he does?

 Cypher-xv wrote:
From the sound of it Kevin demanded better communication of Gary and wanted accountability and emails to know how often he was trying to contact the GenCon organizers.

Wow, just wow. This bit really stuck out for me. Dude's a volunteer and he's the one organising the Gencon fair for them? And Kevin has the gall to go demand ---- from him while not helping in any way at all? Wtf man.

 Alpharius wrote:
This "NMI" character doesn't seem to ever be someone you'd like to meet/have working with you/etc.

Is there some sort of summary somewhere of just who he is and what he does?

He's the lead MOD over on the PB forums. He'll warn or ban you if your critical of PB or Kevin. In fact before you can make your first post he screens it. One person got banned before even making it onto the boards. If a thread gets heated he'll intervene by closing the thread only after the pro PB side has had their say or the last word. On FB he goes around harassing people who are critical of PB and Kevin. In one instance he even insulted one poster by making a sexual reference to someone's wife. He eventually apologized. Before he did I and a few others called him out on it. He also went on the ND FB page and began trolling them asking if why aren't they promoting RRT. Just this month alone he banned several critical members from their forums. When I say critical I mean well thought out complaints not being belegerant. Kevin is aware of all this and NMI runs the board the way Kevin wants it. It's my understanding that he's unemployed most of the time and he's always complaining about his life. I can't confirm the last part I was only told by someone close to him.

I almost forgot he also got banned from wiki because of his constant trolling there.

Sounds like he desperately clings to what little power in life that he can wield.

It's weird, KS runs PB like it's TK running GW but PB is nowhere near the size and has nowhere near the same level of secrecy.

 Alpharius wrote:
This "NMI" character doesn't seem to ever be someone you'd like to meet/have working with you/etc.

Is there some sort of summary somewhere of just who he is and what he does?

He's Kevin's primary Knob polisher.

As I have mentioned, PB seems a bit of a hermit kingdom.

Wow, just wow, this company can't crash and burn soon enough with such horrible behaviour.

TBF what Cypher-xv posted above is about as one-sided as anything gets. Of course, the parts implying PB is plagued by poor communication ring true.

True, but that last update, where they called out one guy (by name no less) and more or less made it sound like it was his fault, despicable.

To be fair, while Kevin and NMI sound like gak bags, I didnt get the impression that Gary was on top of things communication wise either. Reading all that, it seems like there were a lot of points in that clusterfeth that would/could/should have been avoided through some proper prior planning, which as I understand it falls on Gary as he was the one hired to coordinate everything.