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Sining wrote:
Delay of 8 months- good enough
Miniatures with 20 parts or more - good enough
Miniatures with seams - good enough
Miniatures with lines/ridges - good enough

Oh joy, I can't wait for what else is good enough -_- I hope my mouth has enough water

The goonies are also good enough.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=LxLhytQ67fs

 paulson games wrote:
I'm not trying to get into an "I can do better argument", I was pointing out that for a very minimal investment they could have gotten a much better quality of print to use as their masters. The 3d modeling on them is fine but it's knocked back in quality due to the printing quality. A few hours with sand paper or an extra $500 investment would have meant the promos would have been far superior model and created more buzz. It's not like they would be hurting their budget and with promo sales at Gen Con they'd make their money back on that immediately.

I look at the stuff which Ninja Division produces on their own and their sculpts are a quality product, so it's not their norm to take a step down in quality for promo and display pieces. That largely seems to be calls made from their partners PB/HG.


The "good enough" phrase is something people have been expressing on facebook and KS as a lot of people are less then impressed. (Not just my opinion alone) It may not be the worst thing ever, IMO it's "ok" as far as gaming stuff goes but its certainly nothing to shout about from the mountain tops.

so far as I can see, no argument here. I could have just as easily said "Dreamforge Games". All of us on this thread, especially those that also saw your own work, know that you can do better.

Agreed, that for minimal investment, PB's product could have looked so much better at Gencon, and that is really what should be compared here. What they're putting out against the "Mouth-Watering" quality we were promised in the KS, and product that was 45 days from manufacture. And considering that PB have been 'shouting from the mountaintops' about their 'high quality', 'mouth-watering' minis, well, it's obvious now that they have been making mountains out of mole-hills!

Yes, as an experienced modeller, I can correct the vast majority of the problems with this product - not even I can be bothered to customise them so that they are the multi-pose models that we were led to expect. It seems that PB should maybe have taken a leaf out of Bandai's book. Granted that the Patlabor models they produce are 1/35 scale and therefore much bigger, but they have clear, coloured translucent, and white opaque parts on the same sprue. These days in moulding, almost anything is possible. It's all a question of cost. PB has basically been asked "How good do you want to be today?" and answered "Meh!". It seems like they are content to get something as cheap as possible made, then they believe that it will be perceived as a quality product just because they keep shouting it out that it's "Totes Amazeballs" and trying to silence anyone who has the temerity to say otherwise.

I have generally been quiet about all this because I was never into it for the game. I have no stake in whether the rules even work or not, I just want some models of things from a series I still view with rose-tinted spectacles. I am in two minds as to trying to get my money back because I still want those models, I don't have to have them in a particular time frame - which in this case is a large slice of good fortune, and I am liking the idea that PB will lose out heavily on the postage - I backed at the basic "New Dawn" level, added all the other special characters, the SDF-1, and YF-4 add-ons, and am still only paying $8 postage to the UK. Ok, I am expecting the UK government and Royal Mail to add a large slice to what I pay, but that won't stop PB from losing out on my pledge - and I don't feel like letting them off lightly. If they want to refund my money and save a bit, that's "Good Enough" too!

If I do carry on and keep it, is there anyone in the UK willing to part with just 2 VF models? I only want the two so I can paint one up "As seen" in the Anime style and one as it would be in "Real Life".

Apparently one backer has received his box, as reported on the PB forums. He didn't note what he received, where he was, or what his backer number is, but at least it seems they are, in fact, going out.

Was he a fan-friend™ shipper?

Maybe? I don't have the time or inclination to hunt through his posts, but he does have over 2,500 posts on the PB forums.

But without a backer number and box size, it's hard to say.

If he's at a Reckless and backer number 5,000 though...

 Forar wrote:
Apparently one backer has received his box, as reported on the PB forums. He didn't note what he received, where he was, or what his backer number is, but at least it seems they are, in fact, going out.

I will be far more interested to know when they start showing up at distributors.

Today.

:-P

The outrage would probably break Kickstarter.

But hey, if they wanted to have a way to get more than 225 people on their forums (which was last achieved 8 years ago), that'd probably be it.

Oh, the bannings that would result : ). The posts would be fun to read if you could capture them faster then they delete them though.

A shipment from palladium came yesterday - it was the main boxed game, no add-ons, no extras at this point. My id was in the 180 thousands, for what that's worth.

I'm just waiting on a couple more tomahawks and raiders, then I'm done. Not sure whether I'll sell it off, or keep it. Seems like a lot of assembly that I might never get to.

+++edit - I received all of my pledge level, which was just the First Contact pledge, nothing else. My mistake.++++++

Pics?

And do you mean your backer kit number was in the 180,000's

 Cruentus wrote:
A shipment from palladium came yesterday - it was the main boxed game, no add-ons, no extras at this point. My id was in the 180 thousands, for what that's worth.

I'm just waiting on a couple more tomahawks and raiders, then I'm done. Not sure whether I'll sell it off, or keep it. Seems like a lot of assembly that I might never get to.

Thanks for the update. Any broken bits? How is the packing in the box if any? Most importantly, did you get a shipping / tracking notification first from Palladium?

 Cruentus wrote:
A shipment from palladium came yesterday - it was the main boxed game, no add-ons, no extras at this point. My id was in the 180 thousands, for what that's worth.

I'm just waiting on a couple more tomahawks and raiders, then I'm done. Not sure whether I'll sell it off, or keep it. Seems like a lot of assembly that I might never get to.

What pledge level were you in for and if you were Battlecry as the vast majority of backers likely were did you only get the base box or did you get the additional figures from Wave 1 that should have been included with your pledge?

Jon Schmidt

 Albertorius wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Still strikes me as more a matter of ignorance/ineptitude rather than moral turpitude.

Problem, I think, is that you can only justify that so many times. They should have wised up by now.

Wised up by now and gone back in time 13 months to have a better 3D print made for a limited Gencon release, gotcha.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Still strikes me as more a matter of ignorance/ineptitude rather than moral turpitude.

Problem, I think, is that you can only justify that so many times. They should have wised up by now.

Wised up by now and gone back in time 13 months to have a better 3D print made for a limited Gencon release, gotcha.

Or do a better job in the first place. Or recast the mold with a better master.

I'm going to take a guess that they're not doing a tooled injection mold for their con exclusives.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Still strikes me as more a matter of ignorance/ineptitude rather than moral turpitude.

Problem, I think, is that you can only justify that so many times. They should have wised up by now.

Wised up by now and gone back in time 13 months to have a better 3D print made for a limited Gencon release, gotcha.

Or, or... you know let the people they said would be doing it, do it instead of KS taking over ever thing. Man, it is sad thinking about what the models and rules could of been.

Sounds like frustrated speculation to me.

 Manchu wrote:
Sounds like frustrated speculation to me.

No it is based on the fact I owned ever RPG PB has put out. But, never used their system more then once because almost any other RPG system works better. For a RPG that's all good, not when it is a table top miniature game, it is even worse when they plan tournament play.

Buying book after book from a system you don't like means you know for a fact Kevin pushed out Cadice/ND?

With how much personal exposition Kevin writes into his books I actually believe it may be possible for one of those criminal psychologist types to figure that out.

 Manchu wrote:
Buying book after book from a system you don't like means you know for a fact Kevin pushed out Cadice/ND?

The fluff is fun. As for ND if how they are treating RTTRPG makes you think they had alot to do with the design of the game, then there really isn't anything else to say .

As for me, I don't know what happened between them is all.

I believe I went in at the lowest level for the basic game, and then added on some additional riflemen and warhammers (sorry for the battletechisms ).

The box arrived unshrinkwrapped. Inside were the loose sprues as in the pic. The dice, tokens, cards, etc. are all in little (non-resealeable) baggies.

There was a receipt that had 'starter box' marked as included, but everything else was '0's'. They certainly owe me more stuff, so I'm guessing its a partial 'first wave'. I'm hoping to get deeper into the box soon. I'll post more when I do.

The id# on my receipt was in the 180k range, I have no idea what my backer number is (I've seriously only followed this from the peanut gallery). Hope this helps.


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Did a quick unpacking - its the complete basic game box. No extras included. The only extra was the extra 'standing' valkyrie that was included because they were cast with 2 to a sprue (which I think they told us about before).

Did you get a shipping tracking email from them first?

Looking like it will be you get the basic box (see if anyone gets 2 they ordered).

Then PB can say "You got some of your stuff, leave us alone!"

You have no idea how much I hope I am wrong.

I give them a year, Detroit is not that far for me to lodge a complaint in person.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Still strikes me as more a matter of ignorance/ineptitude rather than moral turpitude.

Problem, I think, is that you can only justify that so many times. They should have wised up by now.

Wised up by now and gone back in time 13 months to have a better 3D print made for a limited Gencon release, gotcha.

They've had a full year since last Gen Con to do it right for this one, gotcha.

That's a little disconcerting.

It strikes me as weird to send a core box but not extra wave one stuff (as he noted ordering extra warhammers/riflemen:tomahawks/defenders).

Guess that kills any hopes I had of getting the T/D's from my Daedalus Attack add on.

Obnoxious and kind of strange to hold back that stuff from someone who would otherwise be done with wave one, if I'm not mistaken. Means saving a T/D pack (or more?) now only to pay for S&H a second time sending them later. It's short sighted.

Oh, wait, that's this project in a nutshell.

I texted Jeff at PB. Only First Contacts, the main boxes have been sent out. So if this person ordered more if he PM's or posts his Name and Invoice # and/or backer kit # he should be able to look into it in the morning. Also a phone # would be nice so that maybe they can talk with each other and straighten out any confusion that exists. This could be a mistake, a problem with Kickstarter or any number of things.

~200 boxes in a week?

Well, 4-5 business days if we're to assume that they're not working weekends.

40-50 boxes a day is not exactly a breakneck pace here.

Though I suppose it's kind of a moot point if containers 2 and 3 don't arrive for another month or so.

 warboss wrote:
Did you get a shipping tracking email from them first?

Yes I did get the shipping tracking email from them, it arrived the following week after notification.


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 Mike1975 wrote:
I texted Jeff at PB. Only First Contacts, the main boxes have been sent out. So if this person ordered more if he PM's or posts his Name and Invoice # and/or backer kit # he should be able to look into it in the morning. Also a phone # would be nice so that maybe they can talk with each other and straighten out any confusion that exists. This could be a mistake, a problem with Kickstarter or any number of things.

Oh, I will follow up with them. My post was just to say it had arrived, and what I got, it wasn't a complaint or anything. I figured it was split shipped based upon what they had received from china/packed. I wasn't worried.


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In looking at the kickstarter page, I had ordered First Contact. I received everything in the pledge level indicated on the kickstarter site, I just need to double check that I got the upgraded heads and the destroid command parts. Everything else in the unlocked bonuses was included.



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EDIT: I did only order First Contact, with no other pledges. I confused the bonus destroids with ordering more. Palladium delivered my entire pledge: base game, plus the unlocked bonuses for First Contact. Nothing else is owed. EDIT