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**fruitlewps**

Thanks Mike, you just delayed shipping AGAIN by asking PB about dice. We'll never get this stuff...

**Conrad Turner**

I'm taking this as a "What if ...." project anyway. That's down to not believeing PB/Kev were anywhere near a production run in a short timeframe from the KS funding.

Still, I was not expecting a 267 day delay (and counting).

As I am a modeller, not a gamer, the complexity of the models does not put me off that much. I only have a small number of models from this KS, and may need to buy a single box of VF models and a single box of battlepods just to have some of them to display. (I only really need 2 of each model, 1 to paint 'realistically' as a working jet, the other stylistically in the cell shaded style.

But I still don't understand why the resin stuff does not seem to have been worked on up to now. That will require different skill sets, different manufacturers, etc. and could have been worked on at the same time.

I can understand if they were keeping the SDF-1 and resin character models back in my case as I have VF-1D and YF-4 packs as well (And I presume these will be big enough runs to require plastic and therefore are legitimate "wave 2" items) but I fear that PB will end up doing something silly like forgetting about them and producing the rest of the plastics as "Wave 2" and the resin stuff will get relegated to "Wave 3"

**Mike1975**

fruitlewps wrote:
Thanks Mike, you just delayed shipping AGAIN by asking PB about dice. We'll never get this stuff...

Never said I asked them....

**Manchu**

I look forward to seeing what they come up with!

**Merijeek**

Conrad Turner wrote:

I can understand if they were keeping the SDF-1 and resin character models back in my case as I have VF-1D and YF-4 packs as well (And I presume these will be big enough runs to require plastic and therefore are legitimate "wave 2" items) but I fear that PB will end up doing something silly like forgetting about them and producing the rest of the plastics as "Wave 2" and the resin stuff will get relegated to "Wave 3"

Much more likely they'll get cancelled and PB will generously offer people credit. Perhaps a vote will be involved.

**Talizvar**

Merijeek wrote:
Conrad Turner wrote:
I can understand if they were keeping the SDF-1 and resin character models back in my case as I have VF-1D and YF-4 packs as well (And I presume these will be big enough runs to require plastic and therefore are legitimate "wave 2" items) but I fear that PB will end up doing something silly like forgetting about them and producing the rest of the plastics as "Wave 2" and the resin stuff will get relegated to "Wave 3"
Much more likely they'll get cancelled and PB will generously offer people credit. Perhaps a vote will be involved.

For goodness sakes man!

They may be listening, do not give them ideas!

**Morgan Vening**

Mike1975 wrote:
fruitlewps wrote:
Thanks Mike, you just delayed shipping AGAIN by asking PB about dice. We'll never get this stuff...

Never said I asked them....

Not going to infer anything from that.

While others have commented on the delays/incompetency change, by handing it to Palladium, I'd be more concerned about the potential quality/cost issues that are likely to take place. Firstly, PB are likely to commission with the company they had doing the initial RDF/Zen dice, and while I can't attest for their quality or lack thereof (having only seen some not-great photos), it's doubtful they have the reputation Chessex has in the field.

The second is cost. In your prior posts, you appear to have hit the numbers needed to drop the dice to $0.50. But with PB having set their price on the original dice at $12 for 12, I'd not be surprised to see them continue with that structure, essentially doubling the price, shipping not withstanding.

I'm glad you're happy that they'll have the proper symbols (and it's no small thing), but I'm not sure it makes up for the downsides the dice now have.

**warboss**

Mike1975 wrote:
fruitlewps wrote:
Thanks Mike, you just delayed shipping AGAIN by asking PB about dice. We'll never get this stuff...

Never said I asked them....

Ahem...

Mike1975 wrote:
So I have good news for you all. Before starting all this I asked PB if they had plans on making some Malcontent dice. Since they had no immediate plans I started up this thread.

**Mike1975**

warboss wrote:
Mike1975 wrote:
fruitlewps wrote:
Thanks Mike, you just delayed shipping AGAIN by asking PB about dice. We'll never get this stuff...

Never said I asked them....

Ahem...

Mike1975 wrote:
So I have good news for you all. Before starting all this I asked PB if they had plans on making some Malcontent dice. Since they had no immediate plans I started up this thread.

Selective reading?

So I have good news for you all. Before starting all this I asked PB if they had plans on making some Malcontent dice. Since they had no immediate plans I started up this thread. I thought it would be good if we got good dice for cheap and also a bit bad since they would not have the correct symbol on them.

So I started this thinking a few of us could pool some $ and save on cost to buy some gaming dice. I would not buy them at $2 each once you include shipping and all. Too expensive for me. As we started this I never really thought so many of you would want the dice. I was figuring 5 or 6, maybe more. The list has gotten large. Large enough that shipping this all over and managing this by myself would be kinda of a pain with me with little kids and in school and all.

The good news is that PB has noticed that we have a large group desiring these dice. They have a good idea of what we want too. So PB has asked me to hold off so that they can check on a few things and get their ducks lined up so that they can see about a small run of "Official" Malcontent dice for us all to buy. These dice will likely be a bit more but they will have the official symbol on then which is what I really wanted in the first place. They just ask us to give them a bit of time to work the details out since the idea of Malcontent dice was not really on the forefront of their minds.

I'm even going to send them the name and email of the guy I was working with at Chessex to move it along. Hopefully they can even work something out to get the pips and all in black on the green dice.

I VERY much doubt Fruitlewps was referring to the FIRST statement. The context shows he was referring to the second. Ahem....

**Morgan Vening**

Mike, I think you may need to be a little clearer then. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your posts, but with you slapping at Fruitlewps for saying you "asked", it seems like you're saying PB took over unilaterally. Maybe that's not what you're intending, but your "correction" seems to paste PB in a worse light than anything anyone else has posted on the subject. Especially given I took Fruitlewps initial post as at least half humor.

**Koltoroc**

Mike, I really can't see how anyone in their right mind can see palladium taking over your project, heck *any* project as being good news. You more or less just sentenced your project to a slow and torturous death.

I forsee subpar at best quality that is way overpriced, months (if not years) late and lies about the project around any corner.

If you had done it I could see a reasonable result in the near future. Palladium on the other hand will blow it as everything else in this goddam project.

**Mike1975**

Morgan Vening wrote:
Mike, I think you may need to be a little clearer then. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your posts, but with you slapping at Fruitlewps for saying you "asked", it seems like you're saying PB took over unilaterally. Maybe that's not what you're intending, but your "correction" seems to paste PB in a worse light than anything anyone else has posted on the subject. Especially given I took Fruitlewps initial post as at least half humor.

Maybe I misinterpreted him, if that's the case I'm sorry. I never asked PB to take over as he implied. They asked me to hold off because they decided to work on official ones. I thought that was exactly what I wrote.

**Forar**

I'd been pondering buying some Chessex dice from Mike. Exasperation and all, I was intrigued.

From Palladium?

No fething way.

**MangoMadness**

Mike1975 wrote:

Selective reading?

So you asked PB if they were doing MC dice they said they have no plans.

You organize your own dice and get heaps of responses.

They then tell you to hold off as they are now contemplating doing MC dice themselves.

So you did ask them about MC dice and now they are trying to steal your thunder by running their own dice now that they know there is quite a bit of interest.

Sounds pretty simple to me.

**paulson games**

Hmm, somebody has a good idea going and it generates a lot of interest and response with gamers. Palladium see's dollar signs and is like hey man take a hike we're on it from here. Can't say I ever saw that happen before... nope certainly not with Palladium.

**Sining**

Lol, was about to remark on the same thing

**Albertorius**

Koltoroc wrote:
Mike, I really can't see how anyone in their right mind can see palladium taking over your project, heck *any* project as being good news. You more or less just sentenced your project to a slow and torturous death.

...sorry, just couldn't help it ^^

**deleted20250424**

Maybe you should ask if they are thinking about shipping our stuff faster.

Then tell them you are going to start your own middle-man shipping company that will accept and reship the pledges for a 5$ fee.

Once you generate enough groundswell, they will take over and ship our stuff faster for an additional 10$.

**Merijeek**

Forar wrote:
I'd been pondering buying some Chessex dice from Mike. Exasperation and all, I was intrigued.

From Palladium?

No fething way.

Kind of the whole point, innit?

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paulson games wrote:
Hmm, somebody has a good idea going and it generates a lot of interest and response with gamers. Palladium see's dollar signs and is like hey man take a hike we're on it from here. Can't say I ever saw that happen before... nope certainly not with Palladium.

This is totally different - a true fan-friend will happily hand over the keys and consider it a good thing.

**Swabby**

I am honestly glad that the dice (if they actually get made) will at least have the official logo on them.

**fruitlewps**

Mike1975 wrote:
warboss wrote:
Mike1975 wrote:
fruitlewps wrote:
Thanks Mike, you just delayed shipping AGAIN by asking PB about dice. We'll never get this stuff...

Never said I asked them....

Ahem...

Mike1975 wrote:
So I have good news for you all. Before starting all this I asked PB if they had plans on making some Malcontent dice. Since they had no immediate plans I started up this thread.

Selective reading?

So I have good news for you all. Before starting all this I asked PB if they had plans on making some Malcontent dice. Since they had no immediate plans I started up this thread. I thought it would be good if we got good dice for cheap and also a bit bad since they would not have the correct symbol on them.

So I started this thinking a few of us could pool some $ and save on cost to buy some gaming dice. I would not buy them at $2 each once you include shipping and all. Too expensive for me. As we started this I never really thought so many of you would want the dice. I was figuring 5 or 6, maybe more. The list has gotten large. Large enough that shipping this all over and managing this by myself would be kinda of a pain with me with little kids and in school and all.

The good news is that PB has noticed that we have a large group desiring these dice. They have a good idea of what we want too. So PB has asked me to hold off so that they can check on a few things and get their ducks lined up so that they can see about a small run of "Official" Malcontent dice for us all to buy. These dice will likely be a bit more but they will have the official symbol on then which is what I really wanted in the first place. They just ask us to give them a bit of time to work the details out since the idea of Malcontent dice was not really on the forefront of their minds.

I'm even going to send them the name and email of the guy I was working with at Chessex to move it along. Hopefully they can even work something out to get the pips and all in black on the green dice.

I VERY much doubt Fruitlewps was referring to the FIRST statement. The context shows he was referring to the second. Ahem....

If anything I was just making a sarcastic joke..

**Asterios**

paulson games wrote:
Hmm, somebody has a good idea going and it generates a lot of interest and response with gamers. Palladium see's dollar signs and is like hey man take a hike we're on it from here. Can't say I ever saw that happen before... nope certainly not with Palladium.

Well Mike probably had a smile on his face when he did it, but on a side note, just because Mike stepped down and bowed to PB does not mean someone else cannot pick up where he left off and PB will take forever to pick up on.

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Talizvar wrote:
Merijeek wrote:
Conrad Turner wrote:
I can understand if they were keeping the SDF-1 and resin character models back in my case as I have VF-1D and YF-4 packs as well (And I presume these will be big enough runs to require plastic and therefore are legitimate "wave 2" items) but I fear that PB will end up doing something silly like forgetting about them and producing the rest of the plastics as "Wave 2" and the resin stuff will get relegated to "Wave 3"
Much more likely they'll get cancelled and PB will generously offer people credit. Perhaps a vote will be involved.
For goodness sakes man!
They may be listening, do not give them ideas!

Actually give them ideas since if they cancel the SDF-1 then they would have to offer refunds to anyone who ordered the SDF-1 and wants a refund.

**Mike1975**

fruitlewps wrote:
Mike1975 wrote:
warboss wrote:
Mike1975 wrote:
fruitlewps wrote:
Thanks Mike, you just delayed shipping AGAIN by asking PB about dice. We'll never get this stuff...

Never said I asked them....

Ahem...

Mike1975 wrote:
So I have good news for you all. Before starting all this I asked PB if they had plans on making some Malcontent dice. Since they had no immediate plans I started up this thread.

Selective reading?

So I have good news for you all. Before starting all this I asked PB if they had plans on making some Malcontent dice. Since they had no immediate plans I started up this thread. I thought it would be good if we got good dice for cheap and also a bit bad since they would not have the correct symbol on them.

So I started this thinking a few of us could pool some $ and save on cost to buy some gaming dice. I would not buy them at $2 each once you include shipping and all. Too expensive for me. As we started this I never really thought so many of you would want the dice. I was figuring 5 or 6, maybe more. The list has gotten large. Large enough that shipping this all over and managing this by myself would be kinda of a pain with me with little kids and in school and all.

The good news is that PB has noticed that we have a large group desiring these dice. They have a good idea of what we want too. So PB has asked me to hold off so that they can check on a few things and get their ducks lined up so that they can see about a small run of "Official" Malcontent dice for us all to buy. These dice will likely be a bit more but they will have the official symbol on then which is what I really wanted in the first place. They just ask us to give them a bit of time to work the details out since the idea of Malcontent dice was not really on the forefront of their minds.

I'm even going to send them the name and email of the guy I was working with at Chessex to move it along. Hopefully they can even work something out to get the pips and all in black on the green dice.

I VERY much doubt Fruitlewps was referring to the FIRST statement. The context shows he was referring to the second. Ahem....

If anything I was just making a sarcastic joke..

**Forar**

On our next forum lesson: Trimming Quote Trees.

>.>

Also, what's this? 3 updates in one week? Someone make sure they haven't been replaced by particularly go-getting imposters!

Update #159 Sep 25 2014

Back on Track

Hey, all. Just a quick update today.

Container #2 has finally been picked up from the terminal, and is on its way to our warehouse. We decided to have it brought by truck instead of train. It will cost us more, but this way we should get it next Tuesday, right on schedule.

Container #3 is due to arrive in port next Monday. Hopefully, with the terminal open again and containers moving in and out, there won’t be much slowdown left over from the fire, and it can move right through and on its way to us.

Container #4 is at sea and on schedule to arrive in LA the week after next.

Container #5 left the warehouse in China yesterday, and its ship will set sail early next week.

So, things are moving along, and we’re back on track to ship out a bunch of rewards next week. That means if you've moved recently, time is running out to get us your address info.

Like I said in an earlier update, please check BackerKit ( http://robotech-rpg-tacticstm.backerkit.com ) and make sure your address is correct. If it is, you’re all set; no further action is required. If anything doesn't look right, please send us your address in a Kickstarter message or at kickstarter@palladiumbooks.com.

We've gotten a TON of address changes since that update posted on Monday. That’s great! Jeff’s been entering them all as they come in. Anyone who has moved and hasn't updated us yet needs to get that done this weekend, before we do the data export early next week. Thanks.

That’s it for this week. Have a good weekend, everyone. We’ll be working.

**Joyboozer**

What are they working the weekend on if the truck doesn't arrive until Monday?

**warboss**

Doesn't matter... they work 8 days a week 26 hours a day... don't you read the updates? That's how they put out that massive number of books in 2013; you can put out two books in 12 months on a 40 hour work week! Those facebook farm fields don't plant themselves and the geese don't post their own facebook updates!

**Joyboozer**

I was wondering if their fancy software is so hi tech, they're spending the weekend typing in new addresses? One finger typing too, I'll wager.

**warboss**

In all seriousness though, this is the type of communication that I wish they had engaged in for the past year. It is to the point and relatively free of flowery language that just ends up being BS anyways.

**Joyboozer**

It does leave you wondering if the truck it was loaded on was described by everyone who saw it as the best truck ever.

**Morgan Vening**

warboss wrote:
In all seriousness though, this is the type of communication that I wish they had engaged in for the past year. It is to the point and relatively free of flowery language that just ends up being BS anyways.

Agreed. While not perfect, they're a significant step up, and if this style of communications had of been started 15 months ago, wouldn't have attracted as much ire and hostility as it has. When backers get the feeling they're being richarded around, they tend to not take it so well. When there are delays, and they're explained properly, they tend to not be so unhappy.

I think the issue is, those campaigns that hide that kind of info, are trying to please everybody. There's always a small number that'll be unhappy at any bad news, and they should just accept that. Most rational people will forgive a fair bit when treated like adults. Granted, this campaign has been plagued by many (MANY) self-inflicted wounds, but again, I doubt it'd be as hostile if it wasn't after so much "Everything is AWESOME!".

EDIT: And Kevin REALLY needs to check his cut and pastes if he's gonna persist on doing 30 pages each PBWU. Robotech Tactics, "Retail Release Date: In stores September, 2014.". Yeah, Kevin, I don't think you're gonna make it. It's just a really really bad joke at this point. Also on the webstore.