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I might be picking up some of the 6mm mecha from Paulson's Mecha Front if they are available Friday. The minis are beautiful and the rules look tight and fun. Looks easier to show to people for some casual games.

I will still keep an eye out for Robotech, but it just doesn't look promising with all that has happened.

Paulson's mechs are really nice. Clean lines and very little flash make them easy to assemble. I haven't tried his ruleset yet but it looks interesting for small skirmish games.

If you like the look of the robotech minis they aren't all that bad (with one or two exceptions). All of the Zentrati mechs are pretty easy to assemble and they look better then the old battletech unseen casts. The RDF stuff requires much more assembly, but they also don't turn out all that bad if you dry fit pieces before gluing them. The rules looks like they might be pretty good for fast beer-&-pretzels style play. I was hoping to get in my first couple of games tomorrow, but the projected snow might axe that idea.

I backed his (Paulson's) kickstarter for $1 because I didn't have the cash at the time. I really liked the mecha and the final product wasn't lacking in the least. So now I want to buy some, hahaha.

I do enjoy Robotech (and Macross series) so maybe something will happen with this. Good to hear the minis are too bad to put together. Can't wait to see some battle reports come in as people get their stuff (and put it together)

My understanding is that there's a group playing at my FLGS every other week. It seems to be popular enough for a game that just came out, and that people are still getting the materials for.

Can be ordered from wayland games in the uk in 2 days time. So much for retail being constrained to the us.

It's Palladium, does anyone honestly still believe their word about anything?

Every time they said something it's been false or they backtrack and say well that's what we really really wanted to be true at the time we said it, so don't blame us.

Either things are deliberate and they take everyone for fools, or they are a chain of absolutely inept mistakes, which is hard to believe given they have somehow been in business for 30 years and at some point would have been forced to learn a few things in order to stay open.

Personally I'm of the mind that Kevin is a compulsive liar to the point where he can't even tell the truth even if it'd be in his favor, lying and twisting words is just too natural for him at this point and he doesn't know how to do anything else.

 stanman wrote:
It's Palladium, does anyone honestly still believe their word about anything?

Anyone bothering to follow their history, possibly not.

Every time they said something it's been false or they backtrack and say well that's what we really really wanted to be true at the time we said it, so don't blame us.

Or they just had no real concept of what was going on until too late.

Either things are deliberate and they take everyone for fools, or they are a chain of absolutely inept mistakes, which is hard to believe given they have somehow been in business for 30 years and at some point would have been forced to learn a few things in order to stay open.

They have remained open by the skin of their teeth and it had been close many times.
They have also had a VERY generous (indulgent?) fan-base.

Personally I'm of the mind that Kevin is a compulsive liar to the point where he can't even tell the truth even if it'd be in his favor, lying and twisting words is just too natural for him at this point and he doesn't know how to do anything else.

Too optimistic.
Too willing to add "spin" to things when they do not go well.
Too willing to say "gee wiz that went bad", rather than point out a few choice errors.
Too willing to do whatever he feels he needs to do for the benefit of his company especially at the expense of his customers and have the poor grace of not hiding it well enough.

Whelp, mine has apparently hit customs as of early this morning. For whatever it might be worth (figuratively and literally), I may have it in hand by Friday, but I'm not expecting it until next week, just to keep from watching for notification emails too intently.

... oh who am I kidding, it's time to crack open those Shadows of Brimstone boxes!

Resisting the feeling of "regret" on dropping about $500 into this.......

I don't think you should at this point. You do get a mess of minis (both figuratively and literally) in wave 1 as long as you got enough "battlecry" levels and not just tons of add ons with no basic pledge. Some of the minis are a pain to assemble and look ugly but there are a few good sculpts in there and it is undeniably robotech. I feel like I got my money's worth in retail value with wave 1 even if I don't ever plan on assembling some of those disasters. I've been about as critical as you can get regarding the wasted opportunity that is this KS to build the brands (both PB and Robotech)... but I am a little excited about getting to go pew pew with some battlepods in two weeks. I'll even be uploading my robotech soundtrack to my kindle to play in the background.

On the other side, I feel nothing but relief I got out when I did. The only regret is that PB dropped the ball. But none when it comes to what's actually being produced. The rules, the miniatures, or what's likely in regard to following support are all looking to be somewhere between mediocre and awful, in my opinion.

Granted, there'd be even more extra grief at the moment, being an Australian backer and the latest shenanigans. But thankfully the product (well, Wave 1 for the moment) I offloaded has already arrived at it's new owner's destination. So thankfully I don't have to deal with a potential disaster if it got sent halfway around the world.

Good news fellow RoW cretins, RRT made it to retail and Palladium stop working weekends.

Yay -_- Palladium, never again

Why so serious? It'll just be another week or two, try to be patient!

... please ignore that "another few weeks" has lasted an entire and literal quarter of a year at this point.

Borrows white knight soapbox, " I dont agree with what Palladium are doing, but they didn't actually say they would ship out backer rewards to RoW this year!"
Seriously, is there anything left for even the blinded to defend at this point?

And really, who is to define a year? An arbitrary period of time based on our perception of the universe around us, a set standard with minor variation tied to the orbiting of our planet around a celestial body, but really, is a year really a year or is it only a year because we call it a year? Plus we've been waiting nearly 13.8 billion years for the universe to produce this product, making it the epitome of all that has come before it, and the yardstick against which all further human endeavors will be compared.

Truly another week or two (or eight or twenty) is a small pittance to pay for such glory?

I've mentioned it before but I think it's the blatant lying that gets to me the most. They can't even go "sorry guys, I'm going to ship this to get to thanksgiving. I hope you understand but even if you don't, I'm going to do it anyway". They go "But I never said I would ship to ROW before the US retailers got it". Kevin has a bright future in politics. Or used car sales

Funny you should say that. I belive that we have indeed been sold a "Cut and Shut".

Anyone whant to check the mileage and do a HPI check?

winterdyne wrote:
Can be ordered from wayland games in the uk in 2 days time. So much for retail being constrained to the us.

Just spotted that myself, up for release on 28/11/14 for £65.69.....
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/palladium-books/robotech-rpg-tactics/robotech-rpg-tactics-box-set/prod_23465.html

All the expansion packs are available for 28/11/14 as well.

So much for UK backers would get it before retail.......

Hi All,

Just a heads up we have chased our supplier for release information and we have now had to push the date back to the middle of January. The dates are being currently being updated and every customer affected will be emailed directly. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news on this one, myself and the guys here in the office are eager to get our hands on the shiny new boxes just as much as everyone else!

Regards
Jake

 Jake-Wayland wrote:
Hi All,

Just a heads up we have chased our supplier for release information and we have now had to push the date back to the middle of January. The dates are being currently being updated and every customer affected will be emailed directly. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news on this one, myself and the guys here in the office are eager to get our hands on the shiny new boxes just as much as everyone else!

Regards
Jake

Fair enough, thanks for the update.

Well, at least the retailers are not being treated any better than the kickstarter backers, so there is no perceived prejudice.

I have been afraid to log into my kickstarter account and see if a shipment is coming... I think I would rather be pleasantly surprised than expectantly waiting.
Well, I just cannot wait to start clipping those tiny pieces of models and having them zipping into the dark corners of my work area.
I may have to place mosquito netting over my hobby area so I do not have any rage issues.
I have my special glue for the funky plastic those models are made of.
I will start with Zentradi models to preserve my sanity.
Looking forward to adding the Tactics rulebook to my bedside table along with Warmachine and X-wing.
Then the real fun of looking to see if anyone in the local area has a set and willing to play.
Forar and Toronto is looking like the first meeting place after shipment and some assembly.

Actually researching how I am going to tailor my RDF and Zent units to past time and build more 6mm terrain
Adding some mini statues I got from Thailand to throw in some parks

Went to my FLGS last night and what did I see: a Robotech RPG Tactics box sitting on the counter
Traitorous PB! Damn your eyes!
The guys there started rubbing it in, since they knew I had "invested" in the kickstarter.
You know they like you when they make fun of you.

Then all was well when I got home and found an enormous box in my front hall and my wife wondering if we took a second mortgage on some hobby item.
So yeah, two boxes of the game and two huge bags of sprues with cards and decals and various slips of stuff.
Wasted no time cracking open a box and grabbing the rules (standard PB size paper-cover rulebook).
It all looks OK to me so-far for a quick read-through so getting some models together appear to be a priority.
Yeah, no matter how many pictures, it still does not prepare you for just how tiny these things are.
The long-time modeler in me is all excited: they are going to be a beast to do.
Trimming all those mold points, gluing together and cleaning up bond lines will be time consuming.
Good thing is they are so tiny that even a half attempt at painting would still look fantastic.
Those decals! Freaking tiny! will have to see if pre-cut (good luck pushing those wee things around), if I have to cut the clear layer I may wave the white flag.

My brain is still batting around the order of operations of how I will airbrush these things.
Thinking matt black for the "swoosh" post for jumping/flying models, fine gravel the base (adds weight!) hmmm grey cement like or the "snakebite leather" type brown for the base?
Possibly wrap the posts with saran-wrap to mask.

My wife said something like she wished I missed this kickstarter altogether and just saw the box in the store and be happy.
I said "What? and miss out on griping about my wave 2 stuff not getting to me for another year or so? Why deny me my fun??"

Ah, I tend to like playing a Necromancer in games, please allow me to Necro an old thread of mine for terrain:

Robotech Tactics Terrain: A 6mm comprehensive list (Battletech and Epic 40k as well)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/531655.page

I left a standing order at my FLGS to let me know who buys the box at the store so I know for sure someone who has the game locally.

 Talizvar wrote:
I left a standing order at my FLGS to let me know who buys the box at the store so I know for sure someone who has the game locally.

What are you going to do if no one eventually buys it?

Asterios wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
I left a standing order at my FLGS to let me know who buys the box at the store so I know for sure someone who has the game locally.

What are you going to do if no one eventually buys it?

Isn't the answer to that question pretty obvious?

 Alpharius wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
I left a standing order at my FLGS to let me know who buys the box at the store so I know for sure someone who has the game locally.

What are you going to do if no one eventually buys it?

Isn't the answer to that question pretty obvious?

Well will he have to track down far and wide to find someone to play, or?

Dude... this is borderline concern trolling.

The obvious answers? See if any friends are interested in playing it with him. Reach out to other members (through Mike's page, through Dakka, through other Facebook sites, through the PB forums) of the community.

It's not different than playing Malifaux or some other "not Warhammer" game that isn't all but guaranteed to have something resembling a local presence; you either try to build one yourself (locally or at larger events with a higher number of potential players) or you don't, and accept whatever games you may or may not be able to get in.

If some other people buy the game and don't mind leaving their name or some manner of contacting them for him to sort something out, great. If not, well I guess it's on to plan B and he has to travel into Toronto or some other town to get games in. Maybe tries to start a league at said games shop, or run a little tournament to drum up interest.

Like, this applies to any game that doesn't have a massive built in fan base. What if I want to play the 24 CCG? Whelp, it's not Magic, so sitting down at the game store with a deck out probably won't attract much attention, so I guess I'll have to ask around.

But it's a bit early to be asking about contingency plans when his Plan A went into effect practically hours ago.

 Forar wrote:
Dude... this is borderline concern trolling.

The obvious answers? See if any friends are interested in playing it with him. Reach out to other members (through Mike's page, through Dakka, through other Facebook sites, through the PB forums) of the community.

It's not different than playing Malifaux or some other "not Warhammer" game that isn't all but guaranteed to have something resembling a local presence; you either try to build one yourself (locally or at larger events with a higher number of potential players) or you don't, and accept whatever games you may or may not be able to get in.

If some other people buy the game and don't mind leaving their name or some manner of contacting them for him to sort something out, great. If not, well I guess it's on to plan B and he has to travel into Toronto or some other town to get games in. Maybe tries to start a league at said games shop, or run a little tournament to drum up interest.

Like, this applies to any game that doesn't have a massive built in fan base. What if I want to play the 24 CCG? Whelp, it's not Magic, so sitting down at the game store with a deck out probably won't attract much attention, so I guess I'll have to ask around.

But it's a bit early to be asking about contingency plans when his Plan A went into effect practically hours ago.

Well I was curious, didn't know if he had other players in his area or not, or if he was going to try a demo at the store or what? yes he has so many options, I was just curious which one he was going to do.

I think it's on this page or the last he noted being local to me, so who knows, maybe he and I will get together for a game sometime.

From a glance at some data mining I've done, there's probably at least 80-100+ backers in our vicinity, minus those not interested in playing any more, plus anyone that picks it up.

Hell, I'm 'one backer' but have a crew of a half dozen that may end up playing it, all told.

Now, maybe I'll pick it up, say "feth this" and my group will follow suit. Or maybe it'll be an X-Wing sized hit and there'll be 100 person tournaments starting early next year.

Or, vastly more likely, there'll be some players and hopefully maybe a few in his area and maybe he can work out some scheduled games with them sometime. Or not. Like... we'll cross that bridge in half a year when we finally have a half dozen figures built for each side. >.>