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**Jihadin**

I see a lot of researching to get even my artillery pods freaking right.....I've some tiny pieces in the bottom of my box but since it appears the forces are color coordinate and the pieces are brown I'm going with RDF

**Sining**

https://speakingoutonlife.wordpress.com/2014/11/29/robotech-rpg-tactics-final-thoughts/

Here's an interesting blog post regarding the balance in the game.

**Jihadin**

Using a Warhammer as a reference to put together the Tomahawk

**n815e**

https://speakingoutonlife.wordpress.com/2014/11/29/robotech-rpg-tactics-final-thoughts/

Here's an interesting blog post regarding the balance in the game.

It is interesting. I haven't played yet, but the few people who have played haven't reported this imbalance (at least not yet).
It's good to keep it in mind, but I am taking it for what it is, the opinion of a guy who plays against young children; who mainly plays with role-playing and board games; who uses tight little playing areas (3x3?) like this https://speakingoutonlife.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/robo-1.jpg (he refers to 6x4 playing area as being "huge"). He complains in another post about lack of tactics, but pretty much it seems to me that he puts a lot of models onto a small playing area with some seriously constraining terrain, probably just lines them up and blasts away, doesn't seem too concerned with "nuance" like crossfire, maneuvering, keeping models close together for benefit, using the full range of command point abilities, etc.

Not trying to negate what he is writing, just trying to put it into perspective.

**Duskland**

A great update from Kevin today. Glad to know that nothing is wrong and that all of those overseas backers are super happy to be waiting for their packages to arrive, while retailers are selling them in the US. I really wonder sometimes if he is completely out of touch with reality or it is just a show he puts on for the world.

Hello, Kevin Siembieda here.

I hope everyone in the USA enjoyed a nice Thanksgiving holiday.

My apologies for the lack of posts here in the Kickstarter page recently. That’s Wayne’s territory and he hasn’t been posting. That’s a shame, because there has been nothing but good news to report. In Wayne’s defense, he and the rest of us have been obsessed with shipping Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product out to all of you as fast as we can. Besides, we’ve added all of you to our email list, so you should have been getting our Weekly Updates, and we did not think we were leaving backers out of the loop.

And man oh man, has it been wild. Once we received Container #5 and then Containers #6 and #7, we were able to ship like mad men. I brought in volunteers and some paid help and we shipped and shipped and shipped. By November 17 we had shipped all but a hundred USA backers and a couple hundred Canadian backers. All rewards for USA & Canada backers (other than a handful of people with specific issues) had left the Palladium warehouse before Thanksgiving, most before November 17th. By the way, that’s more than 4,000 backers shipped. The atmosphere while shipping through the weeks and weekends was jubilant and filled with laughter. Exhausted as we were, everyone was happy and excited to finally be able to ship to our backers.

With the arrival of Container #6 and #7 we knew we would have enough product to ship to everyone, including distributors in the USA and Canada, so we busted our behinds to get them shipped to our North American distributors too. As a result, we know many stores had product in time for the ever important Black Friday weekend of sales in the USA. Our guess is with brokers and Customs, most Canadian retailers will not be getting product till the end of this week. Man, were we tired by the holiday weekend, and I gave the Palladium crew a much deserved long weekend of R&R.

We hope our overseas backers were not too disappointed that Palladium shipped to distributors here in the USA and Canada before shipping to them. You guys will still receive Robotech® RPG Tactics™ rewards BEFORE distributors and retailers get product in your part of the world, and we could not have shipped to you any sooner than we are, had we not.

Our overseas backers and ALL of our Kickstarter supporters are appreciated and important to us. We could not have created this great product without the support of all of our backers. And those of you overseas are most certainly not forgotten. In fact, we expect the rewards to our European backers to leave the Palladium warehouse by the end of THIS WEEK.

As I’ve said in the Weekly Updates, shipping overseas is an entirely different process and when we had more concrete information we’d share it. Well here it is. We need to pack up all the orders, put them on pallets, secure the pallets and ship them off to the port. We are in the process of doing that right NOW. We expect them to leave the Palladium warehouse by Friday. After they leave the warehouse, they will be trucked out and placed on a ship and sent overseas to a fulfillment center. Once they arrive at the fulfillment center, they will be shipped out to YOU across the continent.

Projected Time-Line in Europe: They leave Palladium’s warehouse on Thursday afternoon. Get put on the ship around December 15 (barring delays at port). 2-3 weeks at sea. 1-2 weeks at port. Shipping at the fulfillment center should take less than a week, and then it is however long it takes to arrive via the mail system. We anticipate most of you in Europe should get your rewards in January. Of course, ALL of this is estimated. With a little luck, things will go a week or so faster, but they could also take longer. Once the packages leave the Palladium warehouse it is pretty much out of our hands. We want you to get them as fast as possible and we are doing everything we can to make that happen. We could not do this any faster than we are.

Please bear in mind that every delay – some at manufacturing and many at port in receiving Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product form China (delays at sea, port delays, Customs delays, fire at the port delays, work slow-down at port due to union worker contract negotiations, etc.) – hurt, frustrated and angered us as much as it did you. Our first concern after creating a gorgeous, fun game worthy of Robotech® has always been shipping to our Kickstarter backers. As backers, the kinds of delays and issues you have seen on this project give you a glimpse at what manufacturers deal with all the time. As an “insider” you get to feel our pain and experience the kind of grind and tribulations that are the not so fun part of the game business. Heck, we’re still waiting to receive the last two containers from China! Should be getting them over the next week or two.

So to our European friends, we are packing up your rewards right now! Yes, literally as I write this and very possibly as you read this. We’ll try to get them to you as quickly as possible. If there is a change of address, we NEED IT NOW!

Australia and New Zealand backers are next and will follow a similar process as above.

I hope everyone sees this as good news. It has been a privilege and an honor to be the ones to bring you Robotech® RPG Tactics™. Enjoy the game and we’ll see some of you at AdeptiCon in March.

– With Appreciation, Kevin Siembieda, Publisher

**warboss**

Remember (ROW) guys and gals, delays that are their own fault and shipping first to North American distributors thereby breaking their promise (again) hurts Palladium more than it hurts you.

**Sining**

I wouldn't mind [MOD EDIT - Not even jokingly! - Alpharius]

**Joyboozer**

That man is a fething witch. A deadset fething witch.

**JohnHwangDD**

MangoMadness wrote:
Its Sedition Wars all over again.

This will be <$20 at miniature market next year and still wont sell.

Gee I can pick the crap KSers cant i :(

Let us know when Robotech hits $20 - I'll swoop in and buy a set!

**Sining**

If it ever hits 20 bucks, PB is probably going to be dead in the water with their stock levels.

**Forar**

Wow. I've been following these comments sections for a long time, and there are a TON of new/unfamiliar names popping up here.

**warboss**

Not that it matters. There were almost exclusively negative comments from the regulars and the occasional newcomer before the sham vote and three quarters of the people voted to "allow" palladium to break their promise. I'm sure some more of the folks who are complaining now were among the yes votes back then when it didn't affect them personally. In any case, palladium doesn't care or likely even read the comments beyond maybe a monthly skimming of a few that they then promptly file under "haters gonna hate".

**NTRabbit**

I enjoy being a third class citizen

**Joyboozer**

Anyone else feel the discussion leading up to this update was
Wayne: Mr Kevin Siembieda™ Sir, I really think this update should be handled carefully, you did just break the last promise you made to the backers, I'm not sure I'm up to the task.
Kevin : Never fear Wayne, I your perfect leader Kevin Siembieda™ shall handle this situation using all the charm, wit and intelligence I am famous for!
Wayne: Oh thank you Sir, you have no idea how stressful this has....Kevin zones out, scene fades
Kevin, addressing backers: Everyone, it was Wayne, Wayne did it, all of you blame Wayne.
Kevin congratulates himself on another job well done.

**Talizvar**

This area is feeling like my personal Robotech blog.
Thanks for the links to the write-ups, it is good to have some observations confirmed.

Veritech models! Did one of each of the Destroids, not too bad but this is a slightly different animal.
I put together the robot and gerwalk modes and those arms will be the death of me.

Side note: I am VERY impressed with ALL the models of how crisply all the halves and pieces fit together: no warps so far and tight fits.
Gluing in the two guns into the head I thought would be a nightmare, it fit perfectly and looked great.
Other observation: I think I like this plastic, the hardness of it seems to grow on me, I like how it behaves for cutting and assembly (brittle though! careful support if using knife).

The lack of labeling or showing all the options in the "pictures" is very irritating.
Take a good look at the forearms, the one with the little dimple/dent in the face for the hand is typically the left hand.
You may be better off gluing on the forearms to the arms and then trying to match them up to the applicable gun before gluing.

The little itty tiny three missile pods assembly and lining up on wings is rather harrowing but looks cool when finally all aligned (no target / reference points on the wings).

Every model has been slow going for UEDF models, I would give the Tomahawk my vote as the least painful to do (remember to match legs with feet in the sprue!).

I am looking forward in seeing what I can do to modify the wings on the jet mode to have them swept back.
If anything works out I will post pictures (It should be doable... I MUST do it because it will make them look cooler.. maybe use pins, or small card for slot...).

I am troubled by the balance "issue" for the Zen pods pointed out in the articles.
I will get my small force together and try some games (Math-tech?) and see where it leads.

**Morgan Vening**

Just thinking through, and I'm wondering if there isn't a promise or deadline that the Kevin hasn't broken?

Mouthwatering miniatures - Aesthetics are subjective, but there's a not insignificant percentage that disagrees.
Multi Pose - Again, subjective. But a lot of people have pointed out it is in only the loosest definition, and not what would be considered standard for that claim.
Consistent communication - Broken, often.
Everything before retail - Broken in the shift to Waves.
Backers before retailers - Attempted for GenCon, accomplished for Black Friday.
EU friendly - Not broken yet, but set the groundwork to break.
Multiple schedules and deadlines - Broken, broken and broken. I guess you could count "US before Black Friday", but as there are some US backers yet to receive stuff, who knows. And it's not like I'd trust Palladium's word on it at this point.

I'm sure there's some others that I've missed, but is there anything they've said that they've been correct on, beyond "It will be made"?

EDIT: Corrected incorrect usage of objective instead of subjective.

**Krinsath**

Morgan Vening wrote:
Just thinking through, and I'm wondering if there isn't a promise or deadline that the Kevin hasn't broken?

Mouthwatering miniatures - Aesthetics are objective, but there's a not insignificant percentage that disagrees.
Multi Pose - Again, objective. But a lot of people have pointed out it is in only the loosest definition, and not what would be considered standard for that claim.
Consistent communication - Broken, often.
Everything before retail - Broken in the shift to Waves.
Backers before retailers - Attempted for GenCon, accomplished for Black Friday.
EU friendly - Not broken yet, but set the groundwork to break.
Multiple schedules and deadlines - Broken, broken and broken. I guess you could count "US before Black Friday", but as there are some US backers yet to receive stuff, who knows. And it's not like I'd trust Palladium's word on it at this point.

I'm sure there's some others that I've missed, but is there anything they've said that they've been correct on, beyond "It will be made"?

Minor bit of pedantry, but you mean "subjective"; objective things are those that are not open to interpretation by the observer. "Water is two hydrogen atoms bonded to an oxygen atom" is objective. "This water is cold" is subjective, as each observer has their own idea of what constitutes "cold".

In terms of the content itself, I don't disagree with any of the observations. However, I get the feeling that you can expand that to nearly Palladium's entire operation for quite a long while now. It's still annoying when it happens, but I'm not sure it should be surprising to anyone. I think too many people hoped ND would be taking the lead and PB would just sit back, approve a few designs now and again, and collect the money (a la Lucasfilm and X-Wing). Sadly, that's not how it went down.

**Talizvar**

The worry now seeing entire package in-hand is accessibility (barrier to entry?) of a beginner player.
The two factions appear imbalanced and the model difficulty for assembly I would place at "advanced".
Getting a working army to play is not for the feint at heart.
I have a feeling that in my area to get anyone to play is to provide the other army of sell my services for assembly after getting the hang of these unlabeled sprues.

**Morgan Vening**

Krinsath wrote:
Minor bit of pedantry, but you mean "subjective"; objective things are those that are not open to interpretation by the observer. "Water is two hydrogen atoms bonded to an oxygen atom" is objective. "This water is cold" is subjective, as each observer has their own idea of what constitutes "cold".

Your right. I literally lost my brain. Though I could care less.

The above was just to set off your inner grammar/spelling/definition nazi.

But truthfully, I'd forgotten the difference. I'll re-edit the initial post.

Krinsath wrote:
In terms of the content itself, I don't disagree with any of the observations. However, I get the feeling that you can expand that to nearly Palladium's entire operation for quite a long while now. It's still annoying when it happens, but I'm not sure it should be surprising to anyone. I think too many people hoped ND would be taking the lead and PB would just sit back, approve a few designs now and again, and collect the money (a la Lucasfilm and X-Wing). Sadly, that's not how it went down.

Unfortunately, I was a part of that group. I knew at the time PB weren't particularly reliable (though I didn't know the extent, ie the Bill Coffin statement amongst many), but during the campaign those concerns tended to be soothed by that kind of claim that it was ND doing the heavy lifting, PB mostly acting as an intermediary to HG, and HG making sure it fit the legal and artistic requirements. As you said, it's sad that it didn't go down that way. And while it's possible the product still wouldn't be any good, I'm of the opinion that it'd have been closer to the ideal that I imagined when I initially backed.

**JohnHwangDD**

Morgan Vening wrote:
Just thinking through, and I'm wondering if there isn't a promise or deadline that the Kevin hasn't broken?

Mouthwatering miniatures - Aesthetics are subjective, but there's a not insignificant percentage that disagrees.
Multi Pose - Again, subjective. But a lot of people have pointed out it is in only the loosest definition, and not what would be considered standard for that claim.
Consistent communication - Broken, often.
Everything before retail - Broken in the shift to Waves.
Backers before retailers - Attempted for GenCon, accomplished for Black Friday.
EU friendly - Not broken yet, but set the groundwork to break.
Multiple schedules and deadlines - Broken, broken and broken. I guess you could count "US before Black Friday", but as there are some US backers yet to receive stuff, who knows. And it's not like I'd trust Palladium's word on it at this point.

I'm sure there's some others that I've missed, but is there anything they've said that they've been correct on, beyond "It will be made"?

Quite frankly, you're all wet. The only real complaint is that the product is late, you know, for reasons.

- The minis are exactly what I want - "true to look" scale models.
- The models can be posed, for what they are.
- PB provided adequate communication - that it's not what you wanted, or the message you wanted does not mean they didn't meet their end. Indeed, much of what I see is bitching and whining that would never be satisfied by anyone, God himself.
- I don't see the issue with Waves, or how that breaks "backers first". Retail got wave 1 after backers, and backers should get wave 2 before retail. Why is that a problem for anyone?
- PB shipped to backers before retailers, that definitely happened. PB should not have worried about ROW "grey market" sales, any more than Disney should have sweated Guardians of the Galaxy opening in the US before China.
- "EU-friendly" is a crock, and everybody should know that by now. If you back outside of your home country, you should expect to be hit with maximum customs and import fees. That goes for US backers of EU and Canadian projects, too. I have yet to back cross-border for this very reason. I'm sure PB does their best to minimize EU fees, but expecting zero seems completely unrealistic, given the experience over the past couple years.
- manufacturing is tough. In PB's case, they are doing production with a lot of hands involved, and I'm pretty sure they would have wanted to be at retail sooner rather than later. Unlike you, production delays actually cost PB future sales revenue that goes straight to their bottom line. PB has been pretty transparent. It's just shocking the amount of immaturity and hating going on.

It amuses me that people slam the manufacturer of the product they buy. Do you really want your stuff to have zero resale value? Like Sedition Wars? I'd think you'd at least want to be able to have the product command a market price that people would be happy to buy you out for whatever you originally paid, plus interest and shipping costs.

**n815e**

- PB provided adequate communication - that it's not what you wanted, or the message you wanted does not mean they didn't meet their end. Indeed, much of what I see is bitching and whining that would never be satisfied by anyone, God himself.

PB's primary failure in this KS is poor communications. Even they have admitted as much.
Just about anything else is understandable, but lousy communication is the fuel to the fire of backer discontent, here. It is the very core of why people ended up unhappy or even obsessively bitter (in Rick's case) and that could have been largely avoided with proper communications. All the subjective issues that people have are really down to poor communications.

**Talizvar**

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Quite frankly, you're all wet. The only real complaint is that the product is late, you know, for reasons.
- The minis are exactly what I want - "true to look" scale models.
- The models can be posed, for what they are.

Very limited as I am finding out as I build, a fair bit of cutting and filling will be needed to differentiate the Destroids and Veritechs.

- PB provided adequate communication - that it's not what you wanted, or the message you wanted does not mean they didn't meet their end. Indeed, much of what I see is bitching and whining that would never be satisfied by anyone, God himself.

Most communications were of the "golly gee" type and rarely discussed actual reasons. Remember the original kickstarter was saying December release that year. The excuses get a little strained after a long period of time.

- I don't see the issue with Waves, or how that breaks "backers first". Retail got wave 1 after backers, and backers should get wave 2 before retail. Why is that a problem for anyone?

Funny, my local hobby store got a box same day I received shipment... in my case it was more a tie. The focus will be market saturation and the next big push would be Gencon next year. They have our money, some product shipped, very little incentive do much else at this time.

- PB shipped to backers before retailers, that definitely happened. PB should not have worried about ROW "grey market" sales, any more than Disney should have sweated Guardians of the Galaxy opening in the US before China.

Agreed.

- "EU-friendly" is a crock, and everybody should know that by now. If you back outside of your home country, you should expect to be hit with maximum customs and import fees. That goes for US backers of EU and Canadian projects, too. I have yet to back cross-border for this very reason. I'm sure PB does their best to minimize EU fees, but expecting zero seems completely unrealistic, given the experience over the past couple years.

There was time to research this and find a smooth transition, remember they increased the shipping fees when they originally promised a "Showdown" would not be charged any more that a "Battlecry" so there has been cost creep as they discover shipping costs.

- manufacturing is tough. In PB's case, they are doing production with a lot of hands involved, and I'm pretty sure they would have wanted to be at retail sooner rather than later.

Utter BS, all the steps for each part of the product are measureable understandable processes that are mature, not cutting edge in need of development.
I develop processes, evaluate suppliers and track project target dates, it is not magic that makes it happen.

Unlike you, production delays actually cost PB future sales revenue that goes straight to their bottom line.

Ahem, 1.5 million from backers money.

PB has been pretty transparent.

How long did it take to find out how the 3D models designed were incompatible for the manufacturer?
Any information given on the vetting of the models of decisions on the mold designs?

It's just shocking the amount of immaturity and hating going on.

The "hating" is PB inability to manage customer expectations.
They have taken pre-order on books at their webstore that are still waiting for publication after two years...
It was a missed opportunity to publish MORE transparently the various trials and tribulations of the release, at least us as customers could have been engaged more as the "drama" unfolded.
It could have been a reality TV show... the personalities involved would be colorful enough...

It amuses me that people slam the manufacturer of the product they buy.

A tone of superiority.
If a supplier does not provide as per expectations they deserve to be held in account.

Do you really want your stuff to have zero resale value? Like Sedition Wars? I'd think you'd at least want to be able to have the product command a market price that people would be happy to buy you out for whatever you originally paid, plus interest and shipping costs.

Most who have bought into this are fans of Robotech.
Not PB books (typically), but an old anime series they would like to simulate on tabletop.
Expanding the consumer base would be nice but many people under the age of 30 at least would know little about the show (other than Macross).
I think few are worried about resale value if they are of the above group.

I played PB roleplaying games way back in the day and to see the various drama from them again is rather irritating.
You could say it is consistent so no surprises but when stuck with them for an IP you enjoy it is of little consolation.

**Morgan Vening**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Quite frankly, you're all wet. The only real complaint is that the product is late, you know, for reasons.

- The minis are exactly what I want - "true to look" scale models.
- The models can be posed, for what they are.

I did say these were subjective, but while I won't say it's a majority that disagree with you, I will say it's more than an insignificant percentage. Way more than the "half dozen haters" that used to get bandied about. You're free to feel that's not a problem. I, and other's think it is.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
- PB provided adequate communication - that it's not what you wanted, or the message you wanted does not mean they didn't meet their end. Indeed, much of what I see is bitching and whining that would never be satisfied by anyone, God himself.

I guess this one is subjective too. Though it was PB (Update 102) that said there would be weekly updates. We didn't set the expectation. They did.

And while there are definitely people that won't be satisfied regardless, if you think that this communication was adequate, that's your opinion. Some people will be happy regardless of what's given them. That's the counterargument. Take a look at Kingdom Death. Similar numbers. Similar income. A year late, and counting. And very little open hostility. Why? Because he does a great job of communicating.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
- I don't see the issue with Waves, or how that breaks "backers first". Retail got wave 1 after backers, and backers should get wave 2 before retail. Why is that a problem for anyone?

The original promise was that backers would get everything, all inclusive, no waves, before Retailers got anything. This was unilaterally changed when they realized the task ahead of them was significantly larger than they were able to accomplish. I didn't find it particularly onerous at the time, but then again, I also expected they were further along (based on statements they said) than they apparently were. Cutting out Wave 2 items from the first shipment, to deliver in May/June to allow release at GenCon was one thing. What resulted, was another.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
- PB shipped to backers before retailers, that definitely happened. PB should not have worried about ROW "grey market" sales, any more than Disney should have sweated Guardians of the Galaxy opening in the US before China.

It only "definitely happened" if you start changing the words unilaterally. PB shipped to SOME backers before retail. Not what they promised. The grey market stuff is irrelevant. The promise was ALL backers. Not all backers, by region. We live in a global marketplace. If they wanted to do it as a regional thing, then it should have been explicitly stated.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
- "EU-friendly" is a crock, and everybody should know that by now. If you back outside of your home country, you should expect to be hit with maximum customs and import fees. That goes for US backers of EU and Canadian projects, too. I have yet to back cross-border for this very reason. I'm sure PB does their best to minimize EU fees, but expecting zero seems completely unrealistic, given the experience over the past couple years.

Then they shouldn't have promised it. You can argue they shouldn't have promised it, and I'd probably agree with you. But people made an assessment based on what Palladium said, and Palladium are positioning themselves for the promise to be broken. I tell you I'm going to pick up the fees on something, then after you've bought it, I reinstate those fees, you'd be OK with that?

JohnHwangDD wrote:
- manufacturing is tough. In PB's case, they are doing production with a lot of hands involved, and I'm pretty sure they would have wanted to be at retail sooner rather than later. Unlike you, production delays actually cost PB future sales revenue that goes straight to their bottom line. PB has been pretty transparent. It's just shocking the amount of immaturity and hating going on.

I call bullcrap on that. PB have consistently been opaque. Three months out (September 26th, Update 113) from the initial delivery date (December), they were still saying they shold be on target, for everything (Monster, FPA, MPA, Super Valks, everything), with both completion of manufacturing and shipping from China included. Things got worse from there, but that's the starting point. That's not transparent. That's either being intentionally decietful, or woefully, painfully, criminally ignorant. Note, they hadn't even received prototypes for some things at that point, let alone test sprues. I never minded the delays. But it's apparent that we were only "informed" of stuff when it was well past the point we should have been told.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
It amuses me that people slam the manufacturer of the product they buy. Do you really want your stuff to have zero resale value? Like Sedition Wars? I'd think you'd at least want to be able to have the product command a market price that people would be happy to buy you out for whatever you originally paid, plus interest and shipping costs.

And I was so confidant that I wouldn't get that product I sold out for what I originally paid, minus interest and shipping costs. And was thankful to do so, because noone seemed actually interested in paying me my actual costs. Yes, some of the initial prices for RRT stock got some nice numbers. Recent stuff hasn't seemed to have attracted those prices though. It'll be interesting to see what it starts going for now that it's not actually a rarity.

But that doesn't excuse PB's broken promises, and the after market aspect is really quite irrelevant. The fact of the matter is, PB's Kickstarter has attracted a lot more ire than other, similar Kickstarters, and the apparent argument for that happening is "haters gonna hate" (and that apparently the haters will be solely responsible if this fails), and not PB woefully mismanaged the project since they took over communications the day after the campaign ended. Sure, some people will complain about anything, but PB sticking their head in the sand and not realizing that some of those complaints are legitimate, don't help either.

You're entitled to your opinion. I strenuously, vociferously disagree.

**Albertorius**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
- PB shipped to backers before retailers, that definitely happened. PB should not have worried about ROW "grey market" sales, any more than Disney should have sweated Guardians of the Galaxy opening in the US before China.

Problem is they said "you'll all receive your stuff before we ship to retailers". The "you'll receive your stuff before we ship to your world's zone's retailers" was added after the fact, on a very significant "I'm altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further" move.

And now I could buy boxes from elsewhere, have it at least a month before my KS stuff gets over here, without all of the KS's drama, and for the same I've paid for the KS. But I'm supposed to be happy about it, because... reasons?

Do you really want your stuff to have zero resale value? Like Sedition Wars? I'd think you'd at least want to be able to have the product command a market price that people would be happy to buy you out for whatever you originally paid, plus interest and shipping costs.

I don't care at all about resale value. I'm in this KS for the Macross/Battletech stuff, and I'm not planning on selling.

**warboss**

Albertorius wrote:

I don't care at all about resale value. I'm in this KS for the Macross/Battletech stuff, and I'm not planning on selling.

This. My distrust/dislike of Palladium is why I pledged the minimum; my long time interest in the anime is what overcame that distrust. I also pledged specifically because Palladium said another company would be taking the helm on this project (namely Ninja Division). *Maury Povich Lie Detector Results voice* That was a lie. The fact that ND has had its own troubles come to light since doesn't negate the fact that Palladium told yet another lie during the KS and pretty much took over the project the day after the funding was locked in.

I have no intention of selling my stuff because my only other option would be to spend years collecting old 1/200 kits like Paulson did and I had no interest in investing the time, hassle, and money in doing that. My Robotech stuff will either sit unused or be used in whatever way I want and yet that has no bearing on what palladium promised during the campaign as well as after.

**Forar**

There's one shop in town that I know of that's carrying RRT. They received a shipment of expansions last week, and got their cores this week.

My boxes became available for pick up today (based on attempted delivery yesterday while I was at work).

Also;

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Do you really want your stuff to have zero resale value? Like Sedition Wars? I'd think you'd at least want to be able to have the product command a market price that people would be happy to buy you out for whatever you originally paid, plus interest and shipping costs.

Umm, this is ignoring supply and demand. Why would people looking to sell (in part or in full) be happy for the supply to rise significantly?

My admittedly layperson understanding of such product markets leads me to believe that if the demand remains the same, having a low supply is better for the sellers than a higher one, unless by some miracle the increased supply gets the word out and demand skyrockets in response (ie; X-Wing).

That said, this only applies to whatever percentage of the backer base intends to sell (in full or in part, which does include me in the latter group).

Hell, we've already seen it play out on eBay; Battle Cry boxes were selling for like 450+ for a while, but the last time I looked many of them were just sitting there waiting for bids or buy outs (and yes, this is controlling for the difference between BC's with wave 2 and those without).

The secondary market doesn't seem to be dead (at least from my last perusal), but it does seem to be cooling down, which again as a layperson, makes me think that supply and demand are balancing.

And that's not going to get any hotter with another thousand boxes on the market (in stores and in backers hands alike).

**Asterios**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
The minis are exactly what I want - "true to look" scale models.

so from your response it could be assumed you have assembled your models then? if so could you relay pertinent info about how to remove some of the small pieces without damaging them to those who seem to be having problems doing that? or how you aligned the misaligned pieces? or even what glue you used? or how you resolved certain pieces that do not fit where they are to go on the model? inquiring minds would like to know I'm sure, or is it you just had low standards? just curious is all.

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Asterios wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
The minis are exactly what I want - "true to look" scale models.

so from your response it could be assumed you have assembled your models then? if so could you relay pertinent info about how to remove some of the small pieces without damaging them to those who seem to be having problems doing that? or how you aligned the misaligned pieces? or even what glue you used? or how you resolved certain pieces that do not fit where they are to go on the model? inquiring minds would like to know I'm sure, or is it you just had low standards? just curious is all.

Also any word on Wave 2? also how would you feel if you saw friends of yours and stores around you who did not back this project suddenly start getting the games, before you a backer even got yours.

**JohnHwangDD**

See, this tjhread does a great job of confirming everything negative I've been thinking about the RRT backers. Good job, team.

And with that, I'm out. Hope you can enjoy your toys. I know I'll enjoy mine.

**Asterios**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
See, this tjhread does a great job of confirming everything negative I've been thinking about the RRT backers. Good job, team.

And with that, I'm out. Hope you can enjoy your toys. I know I'll enjoy mine.

you never answered the questions.

Also it seems more and more are becoming "Haters" as you call them, it does not bode well for what many of us hoped would be at least a decent game which is not really what we got.

**n815e**

And with that, I'm out.

You posted a retort and some generalizations and decided that people responding to you was too much to handle?
Why post in the first place, then?