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Well gak. That's fethed news if true.

Even if I am being treated like a peon by paladium I was still excited for my pledge ($550 usd), now if it costs me more the perceived value of being a backer is lost (not to mention the actual financial cost).

feth you Kevin. feth you.

well it does not bode well for the game if CSI has already reduced it to 40% off, but it could be a holiday sale, a steep holiday sale, but if it gets reduced more, then its panic time.

Well, I guess if things are like that now it means I'll be able to buy dozens of destroids for cheap to use in Battletech next year, on top of what Kevin is supposed to be sending me next february.

If I ever manage to assemble them all, of course :(

Hopefully it is just a serious Holiday Sale and not a DOA vote of 'no confidence' already...

I suppose someone in the US who wants to buy product at a later date (which would exclude me) could simply call them and ask if the 40% off is a limited time only sale or permanent...

Battletech is 55% off so, X-Wing 40% off. So, just a good holiday sale. Nothing to see here. I'll ask when the sale is over.

Trying to decide if the game is worth getting for myself at that price. The copy I got through KS went to a friend, and I've not been able to meet up with him since he assembled stuff due to this baby.

Thoughts?

And if yes, what should I get ?

Starter set Cincy. Get a good sizable force for both side

Actually had people ask me to show them how to play Battletech last gaming session

Yeah, the starter is probably the way to go. From there if one really wanted new models, snagging an Artillery Pod box and/or Spartan/Phalanx box would give access to all of the models in Wave One. If you really wanted to expand to larger fights, a second starter would probably be the most cost effective way to round out ones 'chaff' figures (10 VTs, 24 Pods, 8 Destroids and 2 'command pod packs' for ~$140 isn't exactly Kickstarter prices, but it's better than going by expansions alone).

For those interested, that youtube channel I linked above has more videos included a Glaug Eldare, MAC II, and a wrecked glaug terrain piece. I don't recall that last one being in the KS but I didn't order the objective markers or terrain stuff so maybe I missed it.

I think I can state without fear of contradiction, that I am the first EU resident to get my Wave 1 Pledge.

Colour me impressed, and a little amused.

Yes, my decals turned up today, posted direct from the US, and as they had declared the value at $1 I was not charged more. How other people will fare, I can't say. However, I do need to take care that I have not lost them by the time my models turn up as they are all Wave 2 items. But there goes $2.13 of my $8 postage!

First impressions of the UEDF decals?
Small. Tons of them. Hard to see the smaller white decals, but I am certainly glad I got them for the Skull Squadron symbols, they will look more realistic than the moulded on effort they have stated will be for the character, and are way better than I could have painted.

However, there is a block of black numbers in one corner, 100 to 112 and 200 to 212 in each row, 8 rows. The 4 rows nearest the edge are completely out of register and look out of focus compared to the others. Not a problem so far as I am concerned as I will never be using them all anyway, but those of you who were relying on the decals to outfit their forces may come unstuck.

Other than that though, there are a good number of "U.N. Spacy" in different sizes and colours which could be a help in differentiating different squadrons, and a number of small UN Spacy symbols in white on red, red on white, and white on black.

Overall, a win for PB so far as I am concerned despite having e-mailed them and asking them to hold the decals until my Wave 2 stuff shipped.

This post is only good through 11:59 PM on Dec 11 2014.

For anyone who wanted to make Mike1975's custom cards and laminate them, Amazon has the Scotch laminating machine on sale for $16.99 as a deal of the day. I just picked one up. I'm sure I can find other uses for it. Here is a link... http://www.amazon.com/Scotch-Thermal-Laminator-Roller-TL901/dp/B0010JEJPC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418341880&sr=8-1&keywords=laminating+machine

That seems like a really good deal - and I know I could use it for Mierce's Darklands among other things...

Thanks for pointing it out!

I am to old school....I still have all my old military maps I laminated myself with acid tape....though the acid tape roll I still have is like four years old.....

I'm even more old school and use the laminator at work. There's nothing more old school than using work gear for personal stuff!
Where's our update Wayne?

Man that laminator was an insane deal. Thanks for the tip!

Oh, look:

https://palladium-store.com/1001/category/Robotech-RPG-Tactics.html

"Robotech® products are available in the U.S., Canada, the European Union, Australia and New Zealand only."

...well, so much for "not released in your region", then.

 Albertorius wrote:
Oh, look:

https://palladium-store.com/1001/category/Robotech-RPG-Tactics.html

"Robotech® products are available in the U.S., Canada, the European Union, Australia and New Zealand only."

...well, so much for "not released in your region", then.

I've gotta assume that's specifically for Webstore purchases, and they may hold back packages to those areas until it's unlikely a direct mail will beat backer copies (though given PB's track record of incompetence I wouldn't count on it). Even so, it's another case of PB being completely tone-deaf to criticism.

And while Palladium may or may not be sinking beneath the waves (probably need six months or so to see where demand for RRT sits), Kevin is definitely Terry Jones as King Arnulf in this little play. With RRT being less than halfway at this point* there's still a long way to go. Plenty more bad choices for Palladium to make. I look forward to the next GenCon calamity.

* I put it at about 1/2 by model count, but only ~1/3 by mold count. For the model count, I figure most purchases were BC's, and it's a 2/3 to 1/3 split there, but then there's all the addons which I'd expect were at least statistically significant. Similarly, the 1/3 on mold count is dependent on what they can re-use. If everything is done from scratch (specifically the alt-Valks, VEF/1D/SValk/AValk/Rick/Roy), it's probably less than 1/4 done so far. But if those are mostly "upgrade sprues" (ie, a single sprue that adds all the VEF components for all three modes, along with a set of the current Valk sprues), it'll probably be closer to 1/3, once you take in the extra sprues some of the more cumbersome items. The GEldare may fit on a single sprue, depending on how it breaks down, but the Mac Daddy is gonna be 3+, unless they seriously increase the size of the frame.

And I'll reiterate for people who still claim Wave 2 is "mostly done". No pics? Never happened. I don't trust anything they say, given their history of "misleading" statements, without photographic proof. Sure, we've seen PPP's of a handful of Wave 2 models (GEldare, FPA), but that's stuff done before they realized they were way in over their heads. I'd be surprised if much of anything's been done since, and even then, it's a long way from PPP to test sprue to production to delivery (as was evidenced by Wave 1).

The alt-valks will be plastic. Rick/Roy/Khyron/Miriya are KS exclusives and I seriously doubt that even PB have enough stupids to do them in Styrene/Injection Plastic. The costs on the moulds for, let's be generous and say, 5,000 of them will still add considerably to the cost per unit. Running them in resin will be quicker and cheaper.

This is why I don't understand why they have not had someone working on them and the SDF-1 model, SDF-1 Bases, etc. at the same time as the wave 1 stuff.

And like Morgan, I don't believe they have been, or else they could have shipped some in wave 1, and there have been no pics.

Give me something concrete and I will be happy. Keep up the vapourware, jazzhands, and unicorn farts and I'll find it hard to breathe, never mind stomach!

Who's claiming wave 2 is mostly done

Sining wrote:
Who's claiming wave 2 is mostly done

Here? Not many people.

On Mike's page? More than you'd think.

Seems like some places you can fool 98% of the people 98% of the time!

 Conrad Turner wrote:
Seems like some places you can fool 98% of the people 98% of the time!

The other 2% get banned.

Asterios wrote:
well it does not bode well for the game if CSI has already reduced it to 40% off, but it could be a holiday sale, a steep holiday sale, but if it gets reduced more, then its panic time.

I guess Warmachine and Hordes are dead too, CSI was selling for 40-50% off.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
The alt-valks will be plastic. Rick/Roy/Khyron/Miriya are KS exclusives and I seriously doubt that even PB have enough stupids to do them in Styrene/Injection Plastic. The costs on the moulds for, let's be generous and say, 5,000 of them will still add considerably to the cost per unit. Running them in resin will be quicker and cheaper.

I disagree, they'd better be plastic. As far as I know, the only model that they suggested MAY be metal/resin is the Super VF-1D components. Changing out the material on the four character models is a problem. There was some confusion about the GenCon 2013 Miriya being resin, but that was because (surprise!) they didn't have anything else to show at the convention.

Now, is it a good idea to do runs for small numbers of models? Probably not. But it is what was promised. Not that PB care that much about promises. And it's probably closer to 6,000 they'll need to satisfy backer contributions. But I'd put the print run at probably closer to 10K. Because I expect these things to be treated like cereal box toys. They went to great pains to make sure they were "KS and Convention exclusives", and I fully expect them to Oprah them at every convention they attend. I fully expect PB to take any "secondary market hype" out of all of those models. Outside of international consumers (and honestly, "screw those guys" seems to be the PB motto), I expect them to be the second most glutted group of components outside Valks and Battlepods. Hell, it's probably the only way they can get around the expected GenCon2015 fiasco of not having anything new. If they were "smart" about it, these'd be all over the convention, months before backers get theirs. Because it puts "new" stuff out there, but it's not going retail. Of course, that screws retailers, and not having anything new available at retail for a year plus, that's going to be a problem too.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
This is why I don't understand why they have not had someone working on them and the SDF-1 model, SDF-1 Bases, etc. at the same time as the wave 1 stuff.

Good point. And why I don't believe PB are doing all that much "behind the scenes". The resin components (SDF-1, bases) use a completely different system to the plastics (so, shouldn't be done by the same company as the plastics), and they had an extra 8 months, and still nothing? The funny thing is, while they could be done without other requirements for the SDF-1/bases, I can see them not putting a rush on the VEF/1D sprues, then realizing that they need the promised Super components (that may or may not need mating to the plastic components), and it being a whole other thing, that significantly delays Wave 2. Or, they'll ship Wave 2, and have to blow money on Wave 3 shipping of the Super components. Either way, I fully anticipate another Palladi-ism.

 Forar wrote:

Sining wrote:
Who's claiming wave 2 is mostly done

Here? Not many people.

On Mike's page? More than you'd think.

Yup, that's why a bunch of us asked John Cadice for an update the last time he posted on the FB page. It's probably part way along, we know some from pre-Wave 1 and 2 times were nearly done but we really need an honest update and at this point any update, regardless of content, will be questioned.

 Mike1975 wrote:

 Forar wrote:

Sining wrote:
Who's claiming wave 2 is mostly done

Here? Not many people.

On Mike's page? More than you'd think.

Yup, that's why a bunch of us asked John Cadice for an update the last time he posted on the FB page. It's probably part way along, we know some from pre-Wave 1 and 2 times were nearly done but we really need an honest update and at this point any update, regardless of content, will be questioned.

And frankly they deserve to be. We had 98% done, "finalized", definitely coming out by *insert random date* updates promising us things that had about as much truth to them as quotes you find on gas station bathroom stalls.

Unfortunately Palladium have 'boy who cried wolf'd' themselves on this one.

No info is a bad sign.

Info will be taken with a massive dose of salt.

But giving info AND FOLLOWING THROUGH ON IT would be better than just shrugging and leaving the community to grumble to itself.

Guess we'll find out whenever they decide to go with giving us some info. I hate to be doom and gloom, but considering the beating they've taken over the various shipping/retail fiascoes, you'd think that if they had a bunch of good news to share on wave two they'd have started feeding us some of it to placate at least part of the fanbase (those that can still be reasoned with, at least).

Still waiting on John. I posted on that FB thread too. That was a week ago and counting.

well with the big port strike for a couple of weeks (now over? I think) it might well be something that should have arrived didn't

so shipping may well have 'finished' awaiting more stuff arriving before it re-starts